Low samples doesn't mean much. But I think that he has less negative h2h than fedal. rafa had negative h2h vs denko, 5-6, especially on HC, 1-6. He was "Lucky " to avoid him constantly in HC slam draws.denko was always on the other half in USO and AO draws from 08 to 11, as was nole out of RG in the same 4 years period.
rodick lost last 2 to nole. last one big. last one was the only one they played that nole come to his peak potential. even roddick said that that lost to nole showed him that he can not longer play against best player and it is then he decided to retire. so we can say that mostly probable that one more match would mean that he would not have positiv h2h vs nole. so one match in so little sample do difference and you need to draw line somewhere and 10 is more logisk number than 9 or 7 or 11. we talking about top10 players, our number system is based on 10 so that is most logic cut. and it was 5-4 (inclusive one RET) not 7-2 or 6-3.
Just watch any Cincy or Shanghai match between the pair. It looks like a kid trying to keep up with a master, Federer was toying with him. You can tell he’s clearly the better player.
no, he could not win the match until 2014 not consistently... he just had the greatest winning streak in the OE AND had 7-0 wins in 7 consecutive big finals on ALL surfaces vs peak rafa!
how many won rafa 05-07 and 17-22? weak era as well!
just 11-13 is strong ERA in that period!
He drafted Federer (and Nadal) his entire career, enjoying his prime against a 30+ year old Federer whilst chasing the precedents set by him. It's The Bannister Effect on steroids, with every physical and psychological edge the man could desire. Federer's generation was largely done before Djokovic even got going - Roddick retired at the same age Federer was in the 2011 season, for example - with much being made of the changes in the game through the 00s. The only reason people retrospectively see Federer as some sort of peer is because he bucked the trend of players being all but finished by 30 as consistent forces outside of the odd Indian Summer tournament.
he was young and had his baby issues also problem with gluten, fed was not more successed than young nole in even weaker era. and it was fed and rafa there who was older.
52 miles per hour? WHAT?Their eras overlapped but they're not the same generation. 5-6 years is a sizeable gap in tennis.
Fed's development as a player/junior was very much still influenced by 90s playing style which was suited for conditions of the time, which have changed drastically throughout his career.
That's in addition to tour just being structured differently. BO5 set finals were very common before and even top stars would play a small tourney here and there, while skipping a masters or two.
In 2003, Federer was serve and volleying regularly at Wimbledon. At 2004 Wimbledon and subsequent Wimbledons, he wasn't.Their eras overlapped but they're not the same generation. 5-6 years is a sizeable gap in tennis.
Fed's development as a player/junior was very much still influenced by 90s playing style which was suited for conditions of the time, which have changed drastically throughout his career.
That's in addition to tour just being structured differently. BO5 set finals were very common before and even top stars would play a small tourney here and there, while skipping a masters or two.
yes of course, OWN is exactly what he did!
| tournaments by importance | winner |
|---|---|
| GS USO08 | no1e |
| GS AO09 | rodick by RET |
| WTF10 | no1e |
| OG12 | no1e |
| M can07 | no1e |
| M IW09 | rodick |
| M can09 | rodick |
| M cinci10 | rodick |
| MM dubai08 | rodick |
Srdjan tried to warn Federer. He literally told him through reporters
and ALL noles wins vs fedal came AFTER they won not 1 but several slams so i guess that they was peak because when you win a slam you are peak. and they won a slam after majority of noles wins too. guess that feds peak was at least from 03 up to 19 (he had 2 MP for slam title) and rafas from 05 to 22, at least! so nole fighted peak fedal i whole his career!
although you probably could have played 10 sets that day and Fed would have won all of them.
true, but we "have" to keep it legit...
so when you win a slam as 17 you are peak but if you win several slams with 36 you are not peak, and was not peak between slams that you won, very interesting theory. so from "when you win a slam you are peak" we come to "when you win a slam you are peak unless you are over 30".
because they are better players than him and nole "has no one" because he is best in history. fed had many free years because he had no older and no younger player than him in 5 years on both sides. nole had 2 ATG players in THE SAME AGE. how can fed had rafa as competitor whole career as 5 years older but not nole who is the same age as rafa?!?
What were their slam records in 5-set matches?
Early in Djokovic's career, Roddick had a 5-4 record vs Djokovic. But Djokovic won their last two meetings! By that time, Federer and Nadal owned positive H2H against Djokovic, much more so than Roddick! I forgot, how did their final H2H's against Djokovic turned out?
Excuses, excuses! Of course, Federer was toying with 17-year-old Djokovic! Once the clock turned to 2011, it was all over!
Other tournaments slowed down too, only Dubai, Cincy and Shanghai remained close to fast in the 2010s.
Convenient explanation! But false, a recovered Djokovic took over tennis again, just as pre-injury Djokovic!
Federer’s post racket change “peak” was certainly 2017-2018IW. Ground strokes fully dialled in. Has absolutely nothing to do with some cherry picked H2H records that have a number of factors involved in determining the outcome.
Crazy how just 1 player(Roddick) from Federer's era was able to beat Djokovic while the NextGen mugs from the 90s born players bow down to their knees for OLD Djokovic. LOL
Give me a break, please! In 2011, Novak was 10-1 vs Federer and Nadal! Never has no 1 dominated nos 2 & 3 thus!
and in 4 sets at 2014 RG, and in 5 sets at 2013 RG 
