Titles with best-of-5-sets Finals = Federer 33, Nadal 31, Djokovic 25

[Bride of Alcaraz]

None of Djokovic's matches were on his racquet vs. Federer so Djokovic only won what Federer allowed him to win.
That's why 2011-2015 was such a weak era even a slower Federer had control of the outcome vs. Djokovic always
And Nadal always had control of the outcome vs. Djokovic at Roland Garros and US Open except for 2011 USO because Nadal played too defensively that year
That's why 2004-2010 was the highest level of tennis of the 21st Century, because Nadal and Federer both controlled the outcome... and both were at their peak physically.

 

[DariaGT]

just to add on the sixth greatest season of all-time during the Open Era
Peak Fed lost to Canas 3 times @ IW and Miami sunshine double in 2007
Peak All Court Legend vs an average dirtballer out for 15 months due to
ATP making mistake with diuretic supplied was tainted.

Fed vs Canas 3-3
ARod vs Canas 2-2 2002 loss to Canas was embarrassing as he was near peak.
Djoko vs Canas 2-0

If Nadal didnt have these roids which were exposed in his public records
he would not have won as much but on Clay no one will ever touch him.

Also Fedal in the player council colluded on Wimby points been removed
which was nasty and colluded to take necessary points away from Nole
who needed them to keep his ranking after been banned from AO.
That was totally pathetic and all players should have boycotted Wimby.

Having stated that fact, I still preferred Feds game over the other 2 greats.
Nadole were made better for the slowed down conditions but Nole is the
only one not to take drugs or legally allowed steroids for injuries.

It was seen the Goat of the 3 ate the grass at Wimby for he destroyed both there.

 

[Mustard]

Still, it's 2-9, Federer vs Djokovic!

Still, it's for post-'11 Djokovic against Nadal, 2-5 at RG, 5-1 at others, for 7-6 overall Djokovic. Djokovic was much better at RG than Nadal at other slams, that's why they met more at RG than at other slams combined.

From the 2012 French Open onwards, Nadal leads Djokovic 6-4 in their matches in the majors, including winning the last one at the 2022 French Open.

 

[TheFifthSet]

There will always be people who feel Jordan is greater than LeBron, regardless of stats and records.

For defensible reasons imo. Jordan had the better 5/10 year peak (statistically and otherwise) and was, for better or worse, seen as the consensus GOAT a little after turning 30, then the undisputed GOAT at 35. Was he actually? I would say no, others had an argument even then...but this "Career Championsip Equity" stuff just wasn't parroted much in his time. Jordan retired twice as the best player in basketball, if he wanted to be a "career value" merchant he almost certainly would've been, but those aren't the hurdles he was expected to jump over. Kareem probably had more cumulative career value but it just wasn't something anyone fretted over.

It's funny cos LeBron's unbelievable longevity has kind of forced people to re-evaluate Kareem, in order to remain consistent...around the time Cap retired he was typically seen as a second-tier great behind Russell, Wilt, Bird and Magic, as he was seen as a guy that dominated a very weak '70's era and struggled in match-ups against Walton and Moses. SLAM's Top 50/100/whatever list had him 6th-7th across three different editions in '96, '03 and '11 (iirc). The passage of time has deservedly been kind to him, tho not necessarily for the purest of reasons LOL. Now he is almost universally regarded as a Top 3-4 guy, and I don’t think he gets that kind of credit without the Bron Boost.

 

[DariaGT]

btw NBA fans, Old Larry Bird owned Jordan when they faced each other
and was a fortune teller, telling everyone his play beforehand in their faces
He was a Fedal combined IQ for the NBA.

 

[MichaelNadal]

From the 2012 French Open onwards, Nadal leads Djokovic 6-4 in their matches in the majors, including winning the last one at the 2022 French Open.

 

[Hitman]

From the 2012 French Open onwards, Nadal leads Djokovic 6-4 in their matches in the majors, including winning the last one at the 2022 French Open.

It also includes Nadal being beaten on all three surfaces, including twice on his own court, with zero wins against Djokovic on his favorite court.

 

[SonnyT]

From the 2012 French Open onwards, Nadal leads Djokovic 6-4 in their matches in the majors, including winning the last one at the 2022 French Open.

Most of those were at RG! It was because Djokovic got far at RG, whereas Nadal couldn't get as far at other slams! Gotcha!!!

 

[Mustard]

Most of those were at RG! It was because Djokovic got far at RG, whereas Nadal couldn't get as far at other slams! Gotcha!!!

2013 US Open final, a major where Nadal beat Djokovic in 2 out of 3 matches

 

[DSH]

Other tournaments slowed down too, only Dubai, Cincy and Shanghai remained close to fast in the 2010s.

2017-2018 a combination of Djokovic ageing/injured, Federer beefing up his ground game with a new coach.
2017 Federer beats any Djokovic post 2018 at Wimbledon.

That's how it is.

 

[SonnyT]

2013 US Open final, a major where Nadal beat Djokovic in 2 out of 3 matches

Post-'11, Djokovic lost one match at US, Nadal lost two at RG!

 

[Mustard]

Post-'11, Djokovic lost one match at US, Nadal lost two at RG!

Djokovic losing 8 times at a single major to Nadal. An all-time record.

 

[zakopinjo]

Djokovic losing 8 times at a single major to Nadal. An all-time record.

In total, they met 8 times at the other 3 slams...

 

[SonnyT]

Djokovic losing 8 times at a single major to Nadal. An all-time record.

Why don't you come out and say RG? They met 10 times at RG, and only 8 times at the other 3 slams. Reason: Djokovic had much more success in advancing at RG, than Nadal at the other 3 slams!

In fact, Djokovic's 85.7 ranked 3rd, and outpaced Nadal's AO 82.8 (7th), WB 82.9 (9th) and US 84.8 (8th). So the last of Djokovic's slam winning percentages outpaced Nadal's second slam winning percentage!!!

 

[Mustard]

Why don't you come out and say RG? They met 10 times at RG, and only 8 times at the other 3 slams. Reason: Djokovic had much more success in advancing at RG, than Nadal at the other 3 slams!

Yet Nadal has 4 US Open titles and has beaten Djokovic in 2 out of 3 matches there, and had the iconic 2008 Wimbledon and 2009 Australian Open wins over Federer

 

[SonnyT]

Yet Nadal has 4 US Open titles and has beaten Djokovic in 2 out of 3 matches there, and had the iconic 2008 Wimbledon and 2009 Australian Open wins over Federer

It was just one match, one afternoon and it was over!

What about Djokovic's on-going dominating 9-match (one slam & 8 non-slams) and 19-set winning streak against Nadal? It must've given Nadal & his fans nightmares, and lasted more than a decade! Over to you, Mustard!

 

[cortadew]

Djokovic relied on the weak competition and circumstances of the tennis format to pad his stats. He truly is not the GOAT, just watch him play against Fed, scrambling everywhere and guessing. His younger age allowed him to get the best of that H2H.

40-15

 

[SonnyT]

40-15

Out of 24 slams, about 18 (3/4) of them Djokovic defeated either Federer, Nadal or Murray. That was easily believable, when Federer had a 2-9 record against Djokovic, post-'11. Nadal had 7 losses against Djokovic. Murray had 3 or 4!

Federer had very few slam wins against the elite; post-'11 he had one, '12 WB. Nadal had quite a few against Djokovic, all except one non-RG, at '13 US!

All in all, Djokovic deserves the slam champion!!!

 

[DariaGT]

No Oppression Djoko could have won US and AO and kept the Wimby points to keep his no1 ranking and motivation alive
but Fedal at the players council had to have their conniving way knowing Djoko needed those points badly and would affect
his ranking not to mention Meds and Rubs would never win on grass or get far there.
All they had to ask if for the banned players to be given the same points acquired on the previous year of Wimby and
protected rankings for the lower ranked ones to combat the injustice of their agenda.

Djoko has never done anything to disrupt Fedal from their careers except beat them at their home stages
playing like a drone which I dislike but he is what he is a disruptor of the fake duplicitous duo.

 

[FlyingSaucer]

Out of 24 slams, about 18 (3/4) of them Djokovic defeated either Federer, Nadal or Murray. That was easily believable, when Federer had a 2-9 record against Djokovic, post-'11. Nadal had 7 losses against Djokovic. Murray had 3 or 4!

Federer had very slam wins against the elite; post-'11 he had one, '12 WB. He had quite a few against Djokovic, all except one non-RG, at '13 US!

All in all, Djokovic deserves the slam champion!!!

Elite meaning Djokovic? If Djokovic is the only elite player then it means he's winning all of his slams over non-elite players.

 

[fedfan24]

Out of 24 slams, about 18 (3/4) of them Djokovic defeated either Federer, Nadal or Murray. That was easily believable, when Federer had a 2-9 record against Djokovic, post-'11. Nadal had 7 losses against Djokovic. Murray had 3 or 4!

Federer had very few slam wins against the elite; post-'11 he had one, '12 WB. Nadal had quite a few against Djokovic, all except one non-RG, at '13 US!

All in all, Djokovic deserves the slam champion!!!

Elite
2015 Federer + Murray

Pick one.

 

[inflation_era]

40-15

That it even got to there against someone almost 40 says a lot.

 

[SonnyT]

That it even got to there against someone almost 40 says a lot.

In 2010, Federer wasted two MP's that Djokovic served, Federer was 29.

In 2011, Federer wasted two MP's that he himself served, he was 30.

 

[inflation_era]

In 2010, Federer wasted two MP's that Djokovic served, Federer was 29.

In 2011, Federer wasted two MP's that he himself served, he was 30.

Yes, when Djokovic at his highest peak, post-peak Fed had match points at 2 of 3 slams they played that year. Says a lot. Those losses were because Fed choked, not because Djokovic was better. If Djokovic was better he would never be down match points when he was at his all time highest peak level.

 

[GabeT]

I admire the ignorance required to look at Novak’s career and somehow believe that he would have won less had he played more Bo5 finals

 

[SonnyT]

Yes, when Djokovic at his highest peak, post-peak Fed had match points at 2 of 3 slams they played that year. Says a lot. Those losses were because Fed choked, not because Djokovic was better. If Djokovic was better he would never be down match points when he was at his all time highest peak level.

Federer was good, real good! I never denied that!

 

[inflation_era]

Federer was good, real good! I never denied that!

No, post-peak Federer was real good. He was on par with peakiest peak Djokovic at USO at the very least.

No version of Djokovic would have a chance against peak Federer, except maybe at the AO AFTER they slowed it down and even that would go to 5.

 

[Rosstour]

Excuses, excuses! Of course, Federer was toying with 17-year-old Djokovic! Once the clock turned to 2011, it was all over!

Fed beat Djokovic at RG11 and Wimbledon 2012.

 

[Hitman]

I admire the ignorance required to look at Novak’s career and somehow believe that he would have won less had he played more Bo5 finals

Yep. The guy only has won more best of five slams than anyone else in history and seen by most now as the greatest, but I guess why not?

 

[zakopinjo]

Yes, when Djokovic at his highest peak, post-peak Fed had match points at 2 of 3 slams they played that year. Says a lot. Those losses were because Fed choked, not because Djokovic was better. If Djokovic was better he would never be down match points when he was at his all time highest peak level.

The match is played to 3 sets won, not to a match point. If Federer had been better, he would have beaten Novak.A better player does not lose a match, especially not in tennis. The choke has become part of Federer's identity,not an exception.

 

[Rosstour]

The match is played to 3 sets won, not to a match point. If Federer had been better, he would have beaten Novak.A better player does not lose a match, especially not in tennis. The choke has become part of Federer's identity,not an exception.

Fed has more losses with MPs up than any other player

He also has more comeback wins from MP down than any other player.

Which one you prefer to focus on is your choice.

 

[tennis_error]

Damn, Nadal actually was fake as this sh.it sh.ow, lol.
Good one

 

[TMF]

Yes, when Djokovic at his highest peak, post-peak Fed had match points at 2 of 3 slams they played that year. Says a lot. Those losses were because Fed choked, not because Djokovic was better. If Djokovic was better he would never be down match points when he was at his all time highest peak level.

Looking at the picture, a peak/prime Federer demolished young Djokovic, but when the role is reverse, a peak/prime Djokovic struggled to win against old Federer.

Go figure

 

[SonnyT]

Fed beat Djokovic at RG11 and Wimbledon 2012.

Yes, I can count up to 2! Can you count up to 9?

 

[SonnyT]

No, post-peak Federer was real good. He was on par with peakiest peak Djokovic at USO at the very least.

No version of Djokovic would have a chance against peak Federer, except maybe at the AO AFTER they slowed it down and even that would go to 5.

YAYAYA! Don't make me laugh!

 

[Winners or Errors]

All this stat shows is how the game has changed since Federer, and point out that Federer was straddling the older and more recent tournament stretch than his two younger rivals. Nothing to see here.

 

[Rosstour]

Yes, I can count up to 2! Can you count up to 9?

You said "all over" once 2011 started. If it was all over then he would have rolled Fed in those matches. It wasn't "all over" for Fed until 2014/15

 

[SonnyT]

You said "all over" once 2011 started. If it was all over then he would have rolled Fed in those matches. It wasn't "all over" for Fed until 2014/15

No, once Federer switched to new racquet and BH, he was unbeatable to almost everyone! He reached the finals of '14-15 WB and '15 US, and the semi of '16 AO. Unfortunately for him, he met the indominable Djokovic! If not for him, Federer might've collected 4 slams right there and become the ultimate slam leader!

 

[Rosstour]

No, once Federer switched to new racquet and BH, he was unbeatable to almost everyone! He reached the finals of '14-15 WB and '15 US, and the semi of '16 AO. Unfortunately for him, he met the indominable Djokovic! If not for him, Federer might've collected 4 slams right there and become the ultimate slam leader!

And?

He still beat Djoko in 2011-12 at Slams, which is far from "all over"

Djoko solved Nadal before he totally got Federer's number which was in 2014/15

 

[inflation_era]

The match is played to 3 sets won, not to a match point. If Federer had been better, he would have beaten Novak.A better player does not lose a match, especially not in tennis. The choke has become part of Federer's identity,not an exception.

In that case, no point in even watching any matches since it's just 3 sets and done. Matches have nuances and context, which is beyond the comprehension capabilities of the brethren.

 

[inflation_era]

YAYAYA! Don't make me laugh!

Sometimes facts hurt so much that a person will tend to laugh it off.

 

[cortadew]

That it even got to there against someone almost 40 says a lot.

Oh don't worry about that. Nole has been winning those kind of matches to federer since 2010 and 2011 specially in the US Open semifinals of those specific years

 

[cortadew]

Out of 24 slams, about 18 (3/4) of them Djokovic defeated either Federer, Nadal or Murray. That was easily believable, when Federer had a 2-9 record against Djokovic, post-'11. Nadal had 7 losses against Djokovic. Murray had 3 or 4!

Federer had very few slam wins against the elite; post-'11 he had one, '12 WB. Nadal had quite a few against Djokovic, all except one non-RG, at '13 US!

All in all, Djokovic deserves the slam champion!!!

Also Roger has beaten Nole in only 1 slam final which is Nole first slam final, the US Open 2007 final

 

[cortadew]

Out of 24 slams, about 18 (3/4) of them Djokovic defeated either Federer, Nadal or Murray. That was easily believable, when Federer had a 2-9 record against Djokovic, post-'11. Nadal had 7 losses against Djokovic. Murray had 3 or 4!

Federer had very few slam wins against the elite; post-'11 he had one, '12 WB. Nadal had quite a few against Djokovic, all except one non-RG, at '13 US!

All in all, Djokovic deserves the slam champion!!!

Also Roger has beaten Nole in only 1 slam final which is Nole first slam final, the US Open 2007 final

 

[cortadew]

Yes, when Djokovic at his highest peak, post-peak Fed had match points at 2 of 3 slams they played that year. Says a lot. Those losses were because Fed choked, not because Djokovic was better. If Djokovic was better he would never be down match points when he was at his all time highest peak level.

Djokovic was better. He has always been better that's why he has all the records

 

[Sudacafan]

The simple answer is that after 2008 there are no tournament finals played under the Bo5 format except for slams. (Except for Olympics until 2016).

That change took place at the end of Fed’s prime, at the mid of Nadal’s prime, and before Nole’s prime.

 

[inflation_era]

Oh don't worry about that. Nole has been winning those kind of matches to federer since 2010 and 2011 specially in the US Open semifinals of those specific years

Oh wow, SINCE 2010? So if that's been happening regularly SINCE then, it must be a lot more than 3.

 

[inflation_era]

Djokovic was better. He has always been better that's why he has all the records

Incorrect, it's because he had the advantage of following. All records are eventually broken.

 

[SonnyT]

btw NBA fans, Old Larry Bird owned Jordan when they faced each other
and was a fortune teller, telling everyone his play beforehand in their faces
He was a Fedal combined IQ for the NBA.

I refuse to believe this! Michael Cooper used to handcuff good old Larry, didn't allow him room to breathe!

The Celtics won NBA championship 3 times, yet three different teammates of Bird won the NBA playoff MVP's. The Bulls won it 6 times, Jordan won the NBA playoffs MVP each and every time.

 

[DariaGT]

You can believe what you like and be like Kygs sidetrack all you like
but those in the know, know H2H Bird owned Jordan 4 of 5 times
Every player had their kryptonite or their Daddies.