To Alcaraz and the "neutral" fans: Do you believe Alcaraz will ever win another non FO slam?

Do you believe Alcaraz will ever win another non FO slam?

  • Yes, because i still see him beating Sinner at Wimbledon and USO

    Votes: 106 89.1%
  • No, he wont. Sinner is clearly better on grass and HC

    Votes: 13 10.9%

  • Total voters
    119
We all know that Sinner fans are biased when it comes to Alcaraz. So when they say Alcaraz is finnish we dont take them serious since they can not be objective. So i am gonna ask Alcaraz and the "neutral" fans this question: do you believe he will ever win another non FO slam? As for me i am really low on him. On HC slams he is not even better than Zverev and can easily lose to someone like Draper and Djokovic. I am not even bringing up Sinner here. On grass he is clearly weaker than Sinner. The only slam i can see him being a top contender at is FO.
Alcaraz fan here: I don't think there's much of a difference between the Sinner-Alcaraz rivalry at RG or Wimbledon. Sinner did all the right things both times, he just couldn't close one of them out.

IMO for the time being, Alcaraz is no longer a sure bet at any of the four majors, but he's one of the top contenders at all of them and will likely keep winning them at a steady clip.
 
even djoker cannot win everything in one year, let alone for years
why carlos cannot win one more at least
what a ridiculous op
 
Before we say “sinner figured him out” - maybe win more than 1 time in the last 6 matches.
Let the trend develop.
Didnt Sinner look like he figured him out in their last match? The last 3 sets werent even competative. Alcaraz couldnt even make it close. If this is not a definition of "figured out" what is this then?
 
Didnt Sinner look like he figured him out in their last match? The last 3 sets werent even competative. Alcaraz couldnt even make it close. If this is not a definition of "figured out" what is this then?
I mean I’m more about seeing a pattern. Carlos served at 45% first and threw in a slew of double faults. Despite struggling to hold serve sinner didn’t exactly capitalize enough as he should’ve.

If you see this in the next few matches then you have a point. But for now he ended a 5 match losing streak and Carlos didn’t exactly play well.
 
Sorry. You’re saying it’s a conspiracy he failed two ped test for a banned anabolic steroid?

First of all he was suspended for contaminated massage

Second he was not found positive in any slams he won lol so yeah it’s a conspiracy theory without any substantial proof.
 
First of all he was suspended for contaminated massage

Second he was not found positive in any slams he won lol so yeah it’s a conspiracy theory without any substantial proof.
Well they swept the first two under the rug for 5 months and avoided 2 year suspension for an ungloved rub.

There is a pattern of covering up. Who’s to say they wouldn’t do it going forward? That wasn’t a suspension. More so specialized treatment as I believe the rules were 2 years suspension per failed test.

But whatever. He’s “clean” and never disrespected the integrity of the game.
 
First of all he was suspended for contaminated massage

Second he was not found positive in any slams he won lol so yeah it’s a conspiracy theory without any substantial proof.
at the very least the defense lied by presenting an incomplete and misleading timeline of the excuse/cover story that was not looked into by WADA because they “had no reason to”. The suspension should’ve been for longer even if he is not doping.
 
Well they swept the first two under the rug for 5 months and avoided 2 year suspension for an ungloved rub.

There is a pattern of covering up. Who’s to say they wouldn’t do it going forward? That wasn’t a suspension. More so specialized treatment as I believe the rules were 2 years suspension per failed test.

But whatever. He’s “clean” and never disrespected the integrity of the game.

Covering up? another made up conspiracy, show us when he was tested positive in slams he won , else Take a L
 
Covering up? another made up conspiracy, show us when he was tested positive in slams he won , else Take a L
So he tested positive at indian wells and we all find out about it 5 months later …what exactly is that when others are suspended immediately?
Pulls out of Olympics for an illness that quite frankly wasn’t there last minute.

Facts plus mysterious coincidence that align together during this 5 month cover up just seem to “rub” OCS (obsessed compulsive sinner) the wrong way ;)

It’s ok. Sometimes being bias can make you gullible. Atleast I hope it’s bias blindness …
 
Didnt Sinner look like he figured him out in their last match? The last 3 sets werent even competative. Alcaraz couldnt even make it close. If this is not a definition of "figured out" what is this then?
No. It was one of those days in which Carlos would've lost to Van de Sanzschulp or whatever it's written. Not so much merit for Sinner there, sorry.
 
So he tested positive at indian wells and we all find out about it 5 months later …what exactly is that when others are suspended immediately?
Pulls out of Olympics for an illness that quite frankly wasn’t there last minute.

Facts plus mysterious coincidence that align together during this 5 month cover up just seem to “rub” OCS (obsessed compulsive sinner) the wrong way ;)

It’s ok. Sometimes being bias can make you gullible. Atleast I hope it’s bias blindness …

Blind hatred for Sinner has made you immune to the facts , if Sinner was winning thanks to roping then why he started winning again ? Didn’t they test him or why he wasn’t tested positive at slams he won? I am still waiting for you to show me when he was tested positive at slams he won??
 
Blind hatred for Sinner has made you immune to the facts , if Sinner was winning thanks to roping then why he started winning again ? Didn’t they test him or why he wasn’t tested positive at slams he won? I am still waiting for you to show me when he was tested positive at slams he won??
I was a strong sinner supporter prior to his doping scandal.
 
So many overreactions based on one match? I get the argument that Sinner's game is more consistent for the long run and Alcaraz had to pull a heist at RG using his max level for 2.5 sets to win.

But are people forgetting that Sinner was this close to getting eliminated in the 4th round of Wimbledon as well? He is not some immune tennis god on grass. Like all players, he can have bad matches. Alcaraz simply could not execute and stay within Sinner's level in the Wimbledon final. But Alcaraz was coming in with a 24 match winning streak with no tournament skips in between.
 
I think the reason for the hot takes is because Sinner is clearly more consistent than Carlos, and he seems to have got more insistent as Carlos's mental development on court has apparently stalled. And over the course of a five-set, two-week slam format, consistency is always going to win out.

I think we'll have a better idea of how things stand at the end of the year once the hardcourt swing and ATP finals are over.
 
I don't agree that his mental development has stalled. Otherwise, Alcaraz would have lost quite a few of the 24 matches he won in a row, when he was down a set.

The height disadvantage always means his serve will be inconsistent, due to him increasing the average pace further this year with the new service motion. Sinner's brilliant returning in the final, especially on the second serve put too much pressure on Alcaraz.

You can make an argument for Sinner's consistency making him win more non FO slams than Alcaraz. But I can't see how Alcaraz can't do well in two weeks slams with bo5 offering more cushion for his serve inconsistency, to the point where Sinner will sweep it all. Especially on grass, where Sinner was lucky to escape Dimitrov.
 
Alcaraz fan here: I don't think there's much of a difference between the Sinner-Alcaraz rivalry at RG or Wimbledon. Sinner did all the right things both times, he just couldn't close one of them out.

IMO for the time being, Alcaraz is no longer a sure bet at any of the four majors, but he's one of the top contenders at all of them and will likely keep winning them at a steady clip.
I agree. The little maestro will keep reeling off majors. Everyone keeps underrating him over and over again which is a very dangerous / stupid thing to do with Carlitos.
 
I agree. The little maestro will keep reeling off majors. Everyone keeps underrating him over and over again which is a very dangerous / stupid thing to do with Carlitos.
It depends on the opponent. Writing him off against Sinner seems justifiable though as Sinner has made more significant advances in his game than Carlos has. On hardcourt Sinner is going to be the favourite - and that's 50% of the year already. And now Sinner has shown he can compete/win on clay and grass.
 
It depends on the opponent. Writing him off against Sinner seems justifiable though as Sinner has made more significant advances in his game than Carlos has. On hardcourt Sinner is going to be the favourite - and that's 50% of the year already. And now Sinner has shown he can compete/win on clay and grass.
All this assumption based on one win against Alcaraz this year in Wimbledon. While Alcaraz did almost lose in RG, he still showed he can bring a high level on clay to the point where even a Sinner who did 99% of the job wasn't enough. And you seem to be completely ignoring the beating Sinner got on clay in Rome.

If you look at the big picture, Sinner still hasn't won a title on clay greater than a 250 and his Wimbledon win required a lucky reprieve against Dimitrov.

There's really not enough sample size to make your writing off fully justifiable. There is still some wait and watch needed to be done before we can be confident on it. On top of this, Sinner didn't play a full clay season this year and had way more fresher legs for the tournaments he did get to play.
 
And you seem to be completely ignoring the beating Sinner got on clay in Rome.
It was the first tournament Sinner had played since his ban. The first set went to a close tiebreak and then Sinner's lack of match play and a long tournament caught up with him. Sinner was significantly better at the French Open just a few weeks later.

If you look at the trajectory of the two players, it seems clear to me that Sinner has improved dramatically over the last 18 months on all surfaces and Carlos has pretty much stagnated if not regressed. And the things that Carlos is bad at, like focus, concentration, shot selection, consistency, spraying forehand errors, an inconsistent serve, etc. are the things he's still bad at.

IMO he was lucky to win the French Open and then he put in a poor show in the final at Wimbledon. To come out in that second set and through his serve away at the start was so shocking to me. It was pathetic, tbh, for a player of his quality.
 
The first set went to a close tiebreak and then Sinner's lack of match play and a long tournament caught up with him

Long tournament? It was just 6 matches on bo3 with rest days in between. And it apparently didn't affect in the Ruud match.

While Alcaraz wining 24 matches in a row with no skipped tournaments in between wasn't a factor in Wimbledon final? He basically played those 24 matches within a short span of two months.

Again you are overreacting too much based on one bad match and Sinner performance in just three tournaments. And only looking at the negatives. Don't then celebrate if there are positives in the future lol. Atleast wait and see if the trend further continues in the same direction.
 
It's funny you called out neutralfan when he's not so neutral and also doesn't even go by the same name anymore, instead trolling and posting silly stuff as ever.

Anyway this result would be surprising to even the most natural of fans though
 
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We all know that Sinner fans are biased when it comes to Alcaraz. So when they say Alcaraz is finnish we dont take them serious since they can not be objective. So i am gonna ask Alcaraz and the "neutral" fans this question: do you believe he will ever win another non FO slam? As for me i am really low on him. On HC slams he is not even better than Zverev and can easily lose to someone like Draper and Djokovic. I am not even bringing up Sinner here. On grass he is clearly weaker than Sinner. The only slam i can see him being a top contender at is FO.
Dear Djumhur, Carlos has taken 2 RG, 2 WB and 2 US!!! He has defeated Sinner at 4 of the slams, and Djokovic at 2! Whereas Sinner has beaten Alcaraz at 1 slam. So the current score is 4-1 Alcaraz!
 
Fans will understand that this will be a back and forth rivalry, their h2h will flip flop frequently. Haters and fanboys (mostly here on TTW) will say one will never beat the other it’s over blah blah blah blah
7-2 over the last 12 months in favor of Carlos.
This has not flipped back and forth. Carlos has dominated the rivalry.

Will sinner beat him again? Surely. But he’s got work to do to figure him out. He can’t rely on Carlos to not be his best in finals bc that’s where they will be meeting.
 
7-2 over the last 12 months in favor of Carlos.
This has not flipped back and forth. Carlos has dominated the rivalry.

Will sinner beat him again? Surely. But he’s got work to do to figure him out. He can’t rely on Carlos to not be his best in finals bc that’s where they will be meeting.
Like you said. He’ll surely beat him again. They’re at the beginning of their rivalry and right now Carlos has the clear edge. Aside from RG being a close match the last 2 have been one dominating the other. They both want to learn, become better, give them more time and I believe that this will be the rivalry most of us hope it will be.
 
Like you said. He’ll surely beat him again. They’re at the beginning of their rivalry and right now Carlos has the clear edge. Aside from RG being a close match the last 2 have been one dominating the other. They both want to learn, become better, give them more time and I believe that this will be the rivalry most of us hope it will be.
Doesn’t mean that their h2h will flip frequently
 
Doesn’t mean that their h2h will flip frequently
I can’t predict the future so I can’t say if it will or won’t but based on them both wanting to learn from their flaws playing against each other as they both said in their post match press it’s imo what I think will and hope will happen.
 
Some of us have the ability to laugh their asses off at these threads as soon as they are made, but when they are rendered this comedic this quickly it is just doubly special. The internet and its obsession with absolutes. Never change.
 
The little maestro has thrown us for a loop yet again. Long may it continue. As a Sinner fan I'm not happy about him losing in the final but how angry can you honestly get about a player like Carlitos when he plays like this?

Very different and much scarier Carlitos here compared to any of his other major wins imo. Sure there were serious tactical improvements that indicated a level of tactical nouse that we hadn't seen enacted before but the biggest thing for me was that the gameface was on in a more serious way than I have ever seen from him before and it was consistent all tournament.

An amazing effort from Alcaraz and yet again the gauntlet has been thrown down to Sinner. How many times can these two keep changing, evolving, responding all the while continuing to dominate the field? Amazing stuff from both players, but have to give credit to Alcaraz. He looked like he was going to be too strong based on that insane level against Oldovic in the SF and he kept it going all the way through.
 
Some of us have the ability to laugh their asses off at these threads as soon as they are made, but when they are rendered this comedic this quickly it is just doubly special. The internet and its obsession with absolutes. Never change.
Lol man this forum the last I don’t know 5 years or so has gone downhill, still better than Reddit but still
 
Like you said. He’ll surely beat him again. They’re at the beginning of their rivalry and right now Carlos has the clear edge. Aside from RG being a close match the last 2 have been one dominating the other. They both want to learn, become better, give them more time and I believe that this will be the rivalry most of us hope it will be.
10-5. 15 matches.
No this is not the beginning of their rivalry.

And of the last 5 finals faced Carlos is 4-1. He dominated him in Rome, cincy, and USO finals.
 
10-5. 15 matches.
No this is not the beginning of their rivalry.

And of the last 5 finals faced Carlos is 4-1. He dominated him in Rome, cincy, and USO finals.
Sigh…they’re only 22-24 yrs old and have met in slams just the past 2 years… so is this toward the end of their rivalry? Are they not going to have long careers?
 
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