To Fed fans who talk about weak opponents for Djokovic
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MeatTornado
Talk Tennis Guru
Wut?
RS
Bionic Poster
ForehandCross
G.O.A.T.
In the second one, Djokovic's mental solidness just amazed me.
The guy somehow found two more gears to go on B.Ps
But quality wise this one is not even close to 2011. Crazy ballstriking from both in first two sets.
RS
Bionic Poster
I liked both hard to say. Liked the contrast in different styles in 2015 and the baseline fearlessness in 2011.
UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
Yup, I know this clip. Some Fedfans have no clue how annoying they are to RF - or would be if he bothered to read their hateful nonsense.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Lew better slay 
Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil
Talk Tennis Guru
You just know Ubaldo would be the one to phrase a question that way.
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
Hard to imagine calling Federer a weak opponent. The more politically correct term would be that he isn't as good a player as he was before.
OldschoolKIaus
Hall of Fame
Lew now leads slam race with 31.
swordtennis
G.O.A.T.
Umm i think you play tennis right? The big 3 all have a better game tactics and variety than they had when they were younger. Also this whole notion that they have lost massive amounts of speed and their reaction times are that of a geriatric imbecile are way exxaggrrated and blown way out of proportion. Fed lost a noticable step around 36. Lots of this nonsense is agenda driven. Many want 2007 to be the last year of tennis. So i aint buying alot of this ocean front property in a hurricane.
Eren
Professional
Happens ALL the time, so what?
Nadal 2007 at Wimbledon wasn't at his peak yet right? lol
EDIT:
What is Fed supposed to say in this vid? "Yeah the other players suck you know. I myself am worse than I used to be given the fact that I am losing left and right to mugs, so yeah" Didn't Federer say the same about 04-07 players which Fed haters (no not Djokovic or Nadal fans) vehemently argue to be a weak era because Federer won a lot of titles?
PeoplesChamp
Legend
Federer didn't like the question because it was putting him on the spot with other players. The reporter practically acknowledged the fact that Federer has declined by phrasing the question in past tense when concerning Fed's dominance.
NatF
Bionic Poster
Reporter wasn't asking about Federer, he was talking about lost gen and next gen...
"...no great opponents in the future..."
RelentlessAttack
Hall of Fame
Djokovic was peak in 06 when he was in control of the match against peak Nadal at RG.
On the other hand, Lewis has had several threads lately proving definitively that the weak era began in 2011. Roger’s narcissistic analysis BTFO’d by TTW’s stats legend.
Therefore we should only look at achievements from the period where the big 3 were all peak/prime for 5 years, before the weak era began.
Strong era stats:
Roddick:
1 slam
13 weeks at #1
5-3 H2H lead
1 model wife
0 cases of bird flu
0 real gluten allergies
Djokovic
1 slam
0 weeks at #1
3-5 H2H chasm
0 model wives
1 case of bird flu
0 real gluten allergies
On the other hand, Lewis has had several threads lately proving definitively that the weak era began in 2011. Roger’s narcissistic analysis BTFO’d by TTW’s stats legend.
Therefore we should only look at achievements from the period where the big 3 were all peak/prime for 5 years, before the weak era began.
Strong era stats:
Roddick:
1 slam
13 weeks at #1
5-3 H2H lead
1 model wife
0 cases of bird flu
0 real gluten allergies
Djokovic
1 slam
0 weeks at #1
3-5 H2H chasm
0 model wives
1 case of bird flu
0 real gluten allergies
mike danny
Bionic Poster
They have those because they are not the players they used to be.
swordtennis
G.O.A.T.
No more along the lines that these guys push themselves. They get solved and change. Nadal aint winning nothing off clay with 2008 game. Goes for all players. Nothing is static with these pros. You can get away with it for only so long.
Fed got offended because he was and would be Djokovic opponent in the future.
Of course he was thinking about himself when he answered that question. Can't deny the obvious insinuation that stupid reporter did. Fed is too smart to fall for that.
NatF
Bionic Poster
Thiem beats 2011 Djokovic at the AO no?
NatF
Bionic Poster
swordtennis
G.O.A.T.
Not a question for me. Not good at hypotheticals.
swordtennis
G.O.A.T.
Fed goes out to play and win. The only time i ever saw him lose belief was after wimbledon 2019. First time ever.
RelentlessAttack
Hall of Fame
It wouldn’t even be close. The game always evolves. 2019 De Minaur >>> 2011 Djokovic.
Lew II
G.O.A.T.
He didn't say young opponents. He said opponents in the future which included Federer.
NatF
Bionic Poster
He said no great opponents in the future e.g. not the present. Fed is obviously much too arrogant to think the reporter was talking about him anyway - it's obvious that's not how he took it as he immediately started talking about "other players".
NatF
Bionic Poster
Saying 2008 Nadal wins nothing off clay is a hypothetical though right? Either way it should be plainly obvious that 2008 Nadal is leagues ahead of any similarly aged player today...
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Good point which goes missed a lot. You have to change it up to stay competitive. A lot of people think you can play the way you did 10 years ago and win big because you were a better athlete but forget that 10 years ago, people had already figured out your patterns of play.
swordtennis
G.O.A.T.
Lol these guys already have stated over and over again how they have pushed each other and we are wimpering about the evolution of the game. If fed was a few years younger he prob would find a way to solve djokovic and beat him in a major again. Time has run out for fed at this stage. But you never know.
swordtennis
G.O.A.T.
Wtf was he winning off clay in 2008? This is more fed fan semantics.
RelentlessAttack
Hall of Fame
Every other major sport has been able to produce great players in the last 11 years. You would have a point if the young guys were only stopped by big 3 rather than losing to random mugs
swordtennis
G.O.A.T.
All these pros and ex pros and coaches talk about it all the time. Yet TTW is like WUT?!
RelentlessAttack
Hall of Fame
Wimbledon? Olympics? AO 1 month after 08 ended? What are you smoking right now
swordtennis
G.O.A.T.
Random mugs? Try and get into the top 100.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Yea players study each other like final exams. They know each orher patterns, their strengths, weaknesses, serving patterns, etc. becuase they watch the tapes. You take asay the element of surprise if you place a player from 10 years ago into today's game.
NatF
Bionic Poster
The way you guys talk sometimes it's a wonder anyone ever retires lol. Go down the line a little more often off the forehand or hit and come in off the second serve and the years will just melt away
If the quality of movement and shot has diminished there's only so much mixing up your patterns of play will do. Make no mistake if there was a 26 year old Djokovic in the final a couple of weeks back instead of Thiem it would have been made painfully clear to you all what the limits of better experience are.
2015 could have been a classic if it wasn’t for 1. Fed missing soooooo many routine FHs and second serve returns and 2. The hostile atmosphere
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
Wimbledon, Olympics, Toronto
beast of mallorca
G.O.A.T.
Or better yet, Federer reigned in the weak era of the likes Roddicks, Bagdhatis and Gonzaleses etc
NatF
Bionic Poster
He won Wimbledon for one. This is more Novak fan dementia.
junior74
Talk Tennis Guru
swordtennis
G.O.A.T.
2010 Nadal. Everything about his game was better for hard courts. Sigh.
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
Why lump Roddick in with Baghdatis? The two are miles apart. But then again, I guess most weak era proponents are also prone to lumping Murray in with Federer and Nadal in terms of competition.Or better yet, Federer reigned in the weak era of the likes Roddicks, Bagdhatis and Gonzaleses etc
RelentlessAttack
Hall of Fame
Boring.
2000 Safin
2001 Hewitt
2003 Federer/Roddick
2005 Nadal
2007 Nole
2008 Murray
2009 JMDP
Then nothing for 11 years
Even guys who peaked later, first made waves in the above period like Stan and Cilic.
In hockey, this decade has produced future legends like Mcdavid and Mackinnon.
In the NFL we have likely future goat candidate Mahomes.
NBA has a number of great young players, soccer as well.
On and on it goes.
Meanwhile, lost gen is already old and next gen stars are losing in R1 to Fucsovics
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Disagree. Nadal's 2008 game would rip apart the Next Gen and not be owned by Fedovic.
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