Today's Final Proves Nadal won't be the GOAT unless...

alejandroatl

New User
For some people today Wimbledon Final would mean Federer will always be considered the GOAT for what he was able to do at his age against the other two greatest legends of tennis, 5 and 6 years younger. The final numbers won't matter for most Federer fans if they are close at the end. The other two legends will never have the chance to prove they could have done the same in the same situation. They didn't and won't have legends of that caliber to compete with 6 years younger than them.

For some this final proves Djokovic can be soon considered the GOAT based on the numbers and his achievements (4 slams in a row, all masters titles, probably most weeks at number 1 soon)

To me it puts Nadal in a very difficult spot to be considered the GOAT outside clay. Any argument to put him above Federer can be used against him to declare Nole is the GOAT. H2H is in Nole favor and he has defeated Nadal a lot in clay including in Roland Garros. Weak era argument do not apply. They have similar ages and the numbers are looking less and less in Nadals favor. Unless he can win more slams outside clay and end up with more slams than Nole and Federer at the end.
 

mistik

Hall of Fame
Rafas performance in this year AO final and Wimbledon semi is really sad.He played poorly both matches.AO final was a fiasco.
 

chimneysweep

Semi-Pro
The slam gap getting smaller, get ready for the GOAT stuff madness.

Not looking forward to that as my sig indicates.

I guess it can be fun in a trainwreck kind of way, kind of like a TLC show like 90 Day Fiance or Sister Wives.

TMF having meltdowns would be a high point I guess. Usually I pity the genuinely mentally challenged, but not when they are that douchey and agenda driven.
 

Rabe87

Professional
Nadal can't legitimately be considered the greatest of all time because he has a poor record comparatively on hardcourts and grasscourts. His slam count is really at 18*
*= Stacked with French Opens, only 6 on hardcourts and grass.

His 12 French Opens both helps and harms him. He's the greatest ever on clay and that'll likely stand the test of time, but off it, he's not even close to Novak.
 

Antonio Puente

Hall of Fame
What does Sunday's loss likely mean for Fed? He's going to finish in 3rd place.

I don't care how popular you were while playing. If you finish 3rd, you will be looked at differently. It didn't take long for Pete to fall out of the conversation.
 

Gary Duane

G.O.A.T.
@Gary Duane

See what I am talking about?

The question is about Nadal's standing, but a supposedly Djokovic fan is already "on" when it comes to Nadal's chances, which can come mostly at the expense of Djokovic.

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Yikes, I guess it is just too irrational for my little brain. I would think for instance that a fan of either Novak or Nadal would want to see Fed lose because these other two are closer and so much is about the slam race. I would think that Fed fans, on the other hand, would figure this was the 2nd best outcome because Novak is still behind, and Nadal was thwarted. Then I guess Fed fans will flip a coin if both the other are tied but below Fed.

Personally I just wanted Fed to win because it would have been history, and the others have more time. It would have been a huge victory for him and it would have been cool to see someone almost 38 win.

But other than that I'm fine with however the slam race ends up. I'm always going to enjoy Fed the most unless we finally get a young player with a tone of flash, but I think Djokovic is the smartest of them all in terms of tactics and doing exactly what needs to get done in order to win.

Fed is the worst now and has been since around 2008 in converting points to games. You don't see that in BP statistics, although we all know there have been horrendous matches for that, but it shows up in too many points being won/earned without converting them into games, mostly on the return side. It's never been worse than this year on grass for the average of the whole 12 matches. What happened today is just a microcosmos of the whole grass season.
 

Azure

G.O.A.T.
Yikes, I guess it is just too irrational for my little brain. I would think for instance that a fan of either Novak or Nadal would want to see Fed lose because these other two are closer and so much is about the slam race. I would think that Fed fans, on the other hand, would figure this was the 2nd best outcome because Novak is still behind, and Nadal was thwarted. Then I guess Fed fans will flip a coin if both the other are tied but below Fed.

Personally I just wanted Fed to win because it would have been history, and the others have more time. It would have been a huge victory for him and it would have been cool to see someone almost 38 win.

But other than that I'm fine with however the slam race ends up. I'm always going to enjoy Fed the most unless we finally get a young player with a tone of flash, but I think Djokovic is the smartest of them all in terms of tactics and doing exactly what needs to get done in order to win.

Fed is the worst now and has been since around 2008 in converting points to games. You don't see that in BP statistics, although we all know there have been horrendous matches for that, but it shows up in too many points being won/earned without converting them into games, mostly on the return side. It's never been worse than this year on grass for the average of the whole 12 matches. What happened today is just a microcosmos of the whole grass season.
These mental gymnastics are too much for me!!
 

Pantera

Banned
For some people today Wimbledon Final would mean Federer will always be considered the GOAT for what he was able to do at his age against the other two greatest legends of tennis, 5 and 6 years younger. The final numbers won't matter for most Federer fans if they are close at the end. The other two legends will never have the chance to prove they could have done the same in the same situation. They didn't and won't have legends of that caliber to compete with 6 years younger than them.

For some this final proves Djokovic can be soon considered the GOAT based on the numbers and his achievements (4 slams in a row, all masters titles, probably most weeks at number 1 soon)

To me it puts Nadal in a very difficult spot to be considered the GOAT outside clay. Any argument to put him above Federer can be used against him to declare Nole is the GOAT. H2H is in Nole favor and he has defeated Nadal a lot in clay including in Roland Garros. Weak era argument do not apply. They have similar ages and the numbers are looking less and less in Nadals favor. Unless he can win more slams outside clay and end up with more slams than Nole and Federer at the end.
Classic example of Federer fans obsession with Nadal...guy was fishing in Mallorca yet is still on the minds of Federer fans....think the reality is many now know two players will likely overtake Federer.
 
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travlerajm

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What does Sunday's loss likely mean for Fed? He's going to finish in 3rd place.

I don't care how popular you were while playing. If you finish 3rd, you will be looked at differently. It didn't take long for Pete to fall out of the conversation.
Pete is still in the conversation for me. I’d still take peak Pete over anyone in a Wimbledon final.
 
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