Todd Martin: Djokovic more talented than Federer and Nadal

[True Fanerer]

Considering Djokovic has beaten Nadal 27 times, I'd argue he'd do better.

Regarding Murray on clay as competition, I'd bet you Novak would have about 18 slams right now if he played Baghdatis, Gonzalez, hewitt, Cilic etc So it doesn't work like that bringing the competition card.

Djokovic is 8-0 vs Baghdatis true enough, but it wasn't easy for him. In 5 of their first 6 matxhes (when Baghdatis was still competitive)Djokovic lost atleast a set in those matches. Had all sorts of trouble twice with Marco at Wimbledon. No one wants to talk about that though.

 

[FedLIKEnot]

Novak is great and a all time great (to me a notch above simply a hall of famer) but he isnt better than Federer or Nadal.

Martin must be using the word talented wrong.....

 

[Noleberic123]

Of course he didn't. You know nothing about tennis if you think Djokovic would do better against young Nadal than Federer did.

Ahahaha what!? Of course he would do better. Djokovic is a much tougher match up for Nadal

 

[Mark jd]

Murray AO 13 and 15 was better than their finals lol.

Lol, what? Didn't he lose like 12 out of the last 13 games in the 2015 final?

 

[Mark jd]

Oh man, you must be too young to remember these " one trick pony" players like ARod.. I mean he was the easiest opponent you can wish for, in a GS-final. Ask Fed.

How is Murray any tougher?

 

[Mark jd]

Ahahaha what!? Of course he would do better. Djokovic is a much tougher match up for Nadal

On clay? Not really. It only looks like that because he played a lot against 2014-2016 Nadal on clay when Nadal was at the worst form of his career.

 

[True Fanerer]

You really think "peak Nole" would have had losing record against Roddick? Go away.

Djokovic lost four times in a row to Roddick whilst being a GS Champion LMAO.

 

[RF-18]

Lol, what? Didn't he lose like 12 out of the last 13 games in the 2015 final?

AO 13 final: First three sets were as close as you can get. Two TBs were no breaks of serve occured, third set was close until Djokovic broke him in the 7th game.

AO 15 Final: pretty identical to the 13 final, first two sets really close where they split two TBs, and in the third Murray was up a break until Djokovic broke back and then ran away with it.

Baghdatis was also bageled in his final. Gonzalez didn't even take a set. Murray was tougher than both.

 

[FreeBird]

Delete Post.

 

[DJTaurus]

Those who have seen nole live back in 2009 he was on of the least talented players of his era. His first coach Pilic with hard work and drugs enhancements made him to a return ball wall that he is today. He was never injured. That’s a silent atp ban off drugs like nasal dis with his knee injuries. Murray will be back at top form as he was before. He is having his silent ban. Sharapova is stupid....she went off limits.

 

[Nadal_Django]

Yet Djokovic has a losing record to ARod...

Go away.

Djokovic those years (2008-10) also had losing records against Tsonga and Federer maybe even Verdasco. This is what is happening when you're in the midst of your phisical and mental development and the overall game development, then you tend to lose to a lesser players and talents than yourself more often than usual. It's quite understandable and logical really.

 

[tennis_pro]

But Martin thinks Novak Djokovic is more technically gifted and he would go down as the greatest of all time if he had not been damned with injuries.

WTF, Djokovic has had the most luck out of the big 3 when it comes to injuries. Nadal has been injured left right and centre throughout his career and Federer has had legit issues with his back. What injuries for Djokovic is Martin talking about?

 

[aman92]

Lol Novak had bad luck with injuries? No one can say that with a straight face compared to the injury issues faced by Nadal and even Federer in recent times.

 

[robthai]

You really think "peak Nole" would have had losing record against Roddick? Go away.

Nole played the ****est version of Roddick FYI who had not won a slam since 2003. Nole was ranked top 3 throughout that period and won a slam in 2008, where as Roddick was ranked between 5-10 in the rankings. Nole was ranked higher than Roddick throughout that match up. Neither were peak but a higher ranked Nole lost more often against Roddick than he won.

 

[DJTaurus]

Those who have seen nole live back in 2009 he was on of the least talented players of his era. He couldn’t even hold his breath during points. No stamina at all. His first coach Pilic with hard work and drugs enhancements made him to a return ball wall that he is today. He was never injured. That’s a silent atp ban off drugs like nasal did with his knee injuries. Murray will be back at top form as he was before. He is having his silent ban. Sharapova is stupid....she went off limits.

 

[robthai]

You really think "peak Nole" would have had losing record against Roddick? Go away.

Nole played the ****est version of Roddick FYI who had not won a slam since 2003. Nole was ranked top 3 throughout that period and won a slam in 2008, where as Roddick was ranked between 5-10 in the rankings. Nole was ranked higher than Roddick throughout that match up. Neither were peak but a higher ranked Nole lost more often against Roddick than he won.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Ultronians vs the world I feel 25 again.

 

[robthai]

You really think "peak Nole" would have had losing record against Roddick? Go away.

Nole played the ****est version of Roddick FYI who had not won a slam since 2003. Nole was ranked top 3 throughout that period and won a slam in 2008, where as Roddick was ranked between 5-10 in the rankings. Nole was ranked higher than Roddick throughout that match up. Neither were peak but a higher ranked Nole lost more often against Roddick than he won.

 

[Federev]

Considering Djokovic has beaten Nadal 27 times, I'd argue he'd do better.

Regarding Murray on clay as competition, I'd bet you Novak would have about 18 slams right now if he played Baghdatis, Gonzalez, hewitt, Cilic etc So it doesn't work like that bringing the competition card.

Fed beat Novak plenty of times to get to finals in slams.

He’s a whole generation past his prime from Novak - has and should lose more to him for a while now since he’s extended his career long so long past his peak, yet their H2H is still fairly even.

 

[FreeBird]

I love OP and his beautiful country.

 

[Magnus]

The amount of times a former player says player X is better than player Y...meh. Nothing to see here.

 

[cknobman]

Thoughts?

It's Todd Martin saying this.

TODD MARTIN

/end thread

 

[wangs78]

There is a reason why Todd Martin never again had a coaching assignment after Nole. That guy should never ever open his mouth again.

 

[cknobman]

Thoughts?

It's Todd Martin saying this.

TODD MARTIN

/end thread

 

[Noleberic123]

On clay? Not really. It only looks like that because he played a lot against 2014-2016 Nadal on clay when Nadal was at the worst form of his career.

What about 2011-2013? He beat him 3 times. Roger did that twice in 12 years

 

[Deleted member 757377]

He reached the highest level, so he probably has the most talent too.

 

[MLRoy]

Federer and Nadal are the top two players in the world and have won 37 Grand Slam titles between them.

But Martin thinks Novak Djokovic is more technically gifted and he would go down as the greatest of all time if he had not been damned with injuries.

The Serbian added Grand Slam No 13 to his name at Wimbledon earlier this month, which put to bed a nightmare 12 months that included surgery on an elbow problem.

But before his recent issues, Djokovic won four major tournaments in a row to end the long-running dominance of Federer and Nadal.

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/tennis/992802/Roger-Federer-Rafael-Nadal-Todd-Martin-Novak-Djokovic-Mats-Wilan

I caught Todd's act last week at Newport. He likes to bloviate. You know who plays similar to Joker, though to a lesser degree? David Ferrer, who lost to a young German yesterday. Their game is more defense than anything else. That style ages very badly, but we'll see. Between that "heavy D" style of play, and the bulging eyes, on-court vertigo and hissy fits, I truly doubt he'll end up with the slam record or "goat" crown. And, all the assss-licking, and PC phony he can muster -- and that's a sheet-load -- won't help him.

 

[swordtennis]

Holy smokes fedal fans triggered like right wing bat and lefty social justice warriors. Image of trembling shaking lower lip twitching sno flakes flashing in my eyes lol.

 

[JMR]

Federer and Nadal are the top two players in the world and have won 37 Grand Slam titles between them.

But Martin thinks Novak Djokovic is more technically gifted and he would go down as the greatest of all time if he had not been damned with injuries.

Martin thinks Novak Djokovic would go down as the greatest of all time if he had not been damned with Todd Martin as a coach.

 

[Mark jd]

What about 2011-2013? He beat him 3 times. Roger did that twice in 12 years

13-2 and 13-3 head to head look pretty much the same to me. That's what were the head to heads on clay after RG 2013.

 

[abmk]

AO 13 final: First three sets were as close as you can get. Two TBs were no breaks of serve occured, third set was close until Djokovic broke him in the 7th game.

AO 15 Final: pretty identical to the 13 final, first two sets really close where they split two TBs, and in the third Murray was up a break until Djokovic broke back and then ran away with it.

Baghdatis was also bageled in his final. Gonzalez didn't even take a set. Murray was tougher than both.

Gonzalez was up against a Federer in his best AO ever --- in the AO 2007 final he was better than Djokovic was in AO 13/AO 15 finals.
Also Gonzalez had 2 SPs in the 1st set, but Federer saved them both.

AO 13 final - only 2 sets were close.
the 3rd set, you knew Murray's level was down and Djokovic was going to take it.
Murray was affected by blisters half-way through the match.

 

[Im(moral) Winner]

WTF, Djokovic has had the most luck out of the big 3 when it comes to injuries. Nadal has been injured left right and centre throughout his career and Federer has had legit issues with his back. What injuries for Djokovic is Martin talking about?

Gluten allergy.

 

[Mainad]

WTF, Djokovic has had the most luck out of the big 3 when it comes to injuries. Nadal has been injured left right and centre throughout his career and Federer has had legit issues with his back. What injuries for Djokovic is Martin talking about?

Lol Novak had bad luck with injuries? No one can say that with a straight face compared to the injury issues faced by Nadal and even Federer in recent times.

Have to concur with this. Until last year, Djokovic was one of the least injured players ever. Then he had some elbow trouble that was soon fixed with a minor surgery. His main problems in the last year weren't really physical but mental and motivational. Once he got back with Vajda things rapidly began to return to normal and now, again with Vajda by his side, he has won another Slam! Looks like normal service has been resumed!

 

[tennisaddict]

Enough with debating who is better than the rest

There is a thread opened by @Red Rick That futures are eliminated and there is a revamp to challenger system which should be the one we discuss now and not this again

 

[TheFifthSet]

Nole played the ****est version of Roddick FYI who had not won a slam since 2003. Nole was ranked top 3 throughout that period and won a slam in 2008, where as Roddick was ranked between 5-10 in the rankings. Nole was ranked higher than Roddick throughout that match up. Neither were peak but a higher ranked Nole lost more often against Roddick than he won.

Obligatory retort:

I largely agree with the gist of the post, but the oft-parroted Djokovic-Roddick h2h doesn’t demonstrate much.

Pre-2011 Djokovic was 2-5 against a certain player, and 1-1 in slams. He then went on to utterly dominate that player.

Yes, I’m talking about his rivalry with Tsonga. Just like Roddick, he started out 5-2 against Djokovic. Post 2010, he is 1-14.

Roddick almost certainly wouldn’t have gotten dominated to the same degree if he were in Tsonga’s shoes, but it would have been lopsided enough to make the pre-2010 results insignificant.

 

[Hardcourter]

Yea this this is absolutely true. IMO Nole could be GOAT end of his career, if not injuries/personal life stuff.. AND we have to remember that Fed won most of his GS-titles when it was the REAL weak era, against likes of Hewitt and Roddick ( BIG lol)!

 

[tennis_pro]

Oh man, you must be too young to remember these " one trick pony" players like ARod.. I mean he was the easiest opponent you can wish for, in a GS-final. Ask Fed.

I watched it all and think that you're a lunatic.

 

[Hardcourter]

Yea this this is absolutely true. IMO Nole could be GOAT end of his career, if not injuries/personal life stuff.. AND we have to remember that Fed won most of his GS-titles when it was the REAL weak era, against likes of Hewitt and Roddick ( BIG lol)!

 

[mbm0912]

Look at Novak's head to head versus Fedal. Numbas don't lie...

 

[Mark jd]

Yea this this is absolutely true. IMO Nole could be GOAT end of his career, if not injuries/personal life stuff.. AND we have to remember that Fed won most of his GS-titles when it was the REAL weak era, against likes of Hewitt and Roddick ( BIG lol)!

The real weak era is 2014-2018.

 

[Tennisgods]

Federer and Nadal are the top two players in the world and have won 37 Grand Slam titles between them.

But Martin thinks Novak Djokovic is more technically gifted and he would go down as the greatest of all time if he had not been damned with injuries.

The Serbian added Grand Slam No 13 to his name at Wimbledon earlier this month, which put to bed a nightmare 12 months that included surgery on an elbow problem.

But before his recent issues, Djokovic won four major tournaments in a row to end the long-running dominance of Federer and Nadal.

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/ten...adal-Todd-Martin-Novak-Djokovic-Mats-Wilander

Thoughts?

Well, we had a similar thread recently where it was a debate about Fed/Nad and who was more talented. I went for Fed but to be honest, how can anybody really judge the depth of someone’s talent once you get to the top of the sport? All the great players have different strengths, but they can all strike a mean tennis ball. How can anybody really differentiate between that? Todd Martin sure as hell ****ing can’t...

 

[Hardcourter]

The real weak era is 2014-2018.

Oh man, you must be too young to remember these " one trick pony" players like ARod.. I mean he was the easiest opponent you can wish for, in a GS-final. Ask Fed.

 

[Harry_Wild]

Todd Martin? This a name from the distant past! This guy was in a couple of finals and maybe a GS final; but never won a big one; and he never played in the era of Rafa or Nole! I think he just making this statement for PR sake! RF could clean up on his game and go 6-0, 6-0 all the time! Rafa and Nole would even do better in games since TM cannot run! LOL!

 

[TearTheRoofOff]

What about 2011-2013? He beat him 3 times. Roger did that twice in 12 years

So you cut off 2011-2013 but use a full 12 years for Fed? Why not 2007-2009 which is where those two wins fell? Seems an unfair comparison. Djoker's wins against Nadal in that period were damned good, though.

 

[papertank]

Djokovic is definitely not as talented as Nadal or Federer. Djokovic's edge is that he has the most complete game- no main weaknesses except for the occasional cringeworthy overhead. Nadal and Fed both have some glaring weaknesses, but they are talented enough in other areas to more than make up for it.

 

[True Fanerer]

Oh man, you must be too young to remember these " one trick pony" players like ARod.. I mean he was the easiest opponent you can wish for, in a GS-final. Ask Fed.

Yet Djokovic has a losing record to ARod...

Go away.

 

[Service Ace]

You really think "peak Nole" would have had losing record against Roddick? Go away.

Djokovic fans and Nadal fans always have an excuse If Nole or Ned lose it's always because they are "baby" versions of themselves or injured. Pathetic.

 

[FreeBird]

I love OP and his beautiful country.

 

[Backhanded Compliment]

Perhaps Djokovic can be as good as Roger and Rafa on his peak but can never surpass the two when it comes to title wins and grand slam glory.

cept he held all 4 slams at once... we havent seen that in ages on the mens side, likely wont again.

 

[Hardcourter]

Yet Djokovic has a losing record to ARod...

Go away.

You really think "peak Nole" would have had losing record against Roddick? Go away.

 

[astronautzor]

If talent is: best tennis imaginable, then Yes.. Djokovic played the best tennis anyone seen 2011-2015
If talent is: more titles, then no.

 

[fundrazer]

If talent is: best tennis imaginable, then Yes.. Djokovic played the best tennis anyone seen 2011-2015
If talent is: more titles, then no.

If I don't post this someone else will.

But imo his game is too baseline oriented to be "best tennis."

 

[Towser83]

One thread would have been enough.

Martin coached him in 2009-10.

Yep and ruined his serve. In fact he kind of derailed his first rise and delayed his proper rise to 2011, so he should say "if not for injuries and me"

Funny how he doesn;t think about Nadal and Fed getting injured too

 

[Shaolin]

Very talented at missing overheads, contorting into pretzel shapes and being brainwashed by new age love gurus.

 

[Towser83]

Of course he didn't. You know nothing about tennis if you think Djokovic would do better against young Nadal than Federer did.

It's about matchups and for that reason Djokovic could and in fact did do better against a young Nadal. Djokovic used to beat Nadal more times than not on HC, even the wimbledon match in 2007 was a set all when Novak retired. This was vs young Nadal when Novak was younger.

on hardcourt

2007 - 2-2
2008 - 2-1 to Djokovic (won more games in his loss at the olympics too)
2009 - 3-0 to Djokovic

7-3 to Djokovic

add 2010 0-2

7-5 Djokovic

add 2011 3-0

10-5 Djokovic

Fed vs Nadal on HC

2004 0-1
2005 1-0
2006 1-1
2007 1-0
2009 0-1

3-3

add 2010 1-0 to Fed

4-3 Fed

add 2011 1-1

5-4 Fed

Djokovic has clearly always matched up better vs Nadal than Federer except that he didn't manage to beat Nadal on Grass til 2011... but obviously he's not as good as Fed there and played Nadal when he was suffering blisters and had to retire at a set all and a break down, and he was younger than "young" nadal there. Also never managed to beat Nadal on clay til 2011 but came very close in 2009 Madrid and probably knackered out Nadal for Fed to score a second win.

Djokovic's problem was actually Federer, he was more effsctive vs Nadal, because on HC his game matches up well, and on grass and on clay he can still compete

 

[RF-18]

Gonzalez was up against a Federer in his best AO ever --- in the AO 2007 final he was better than Djokovic was in AO 13/AO 15 finals.
Also Gonzalez had 2 SPs in the 1st set, but Federer saved them both.

AO 13 final - only 2 sets were close.
the 3rd set, you knew Murray's level was down and Djokovic was going to take it.
Murray was affected by blisters half-way through the match.

Murray was up a set in that ao 13 final. Couple of months prior to that, he beat Djoko at the USO so he was building up a mental edge. They continued the 2nd set the same way all the way to a TB with no breaks of serve at all, same goes for in the 1st set. In the third, they were 3-3 until Djoko broke him.

Same as in AO 15 final, it was a fight 3/4 sets.

You knew murray's level was gonna drop? Lol and you didn't know Federer was gonna beat Gonzalez, guy who managed a 8% win rate out of 13 matches against Fed? LOL. Or Baghdatis who beat Fed only once aswell.

Murray was way tougher in AO 13 and 15 finals. It's not close.

Your attempt to prop up Baghdatis and Gonzalez as some sort of tough opponents is hilarious. "Gonzalez played better than Djokovic did in his final". Great way of trying to justify that Gonzalez couldn't manage a set while Murray did in both matches.

 

[metsman]

Murray was up a set in that ao 13 final. Couple of months prior to that, he beat Djoko at the USO so he was building up a mental edge. They continued the 2nd set the same way all the way to a TB with no breaks of serve at all, same goes for in the 1st set. In the third, they were 3-3 until Djoko broke him.

Same as in AO 15 final, it was a fight 3/4 sets.

You knew murray's level was gonna drop? Lol and you didn't know Federer was gonna beat Gonzalez, guy who managed a 8% win rate out of 13 matches against Fed? LOL. Or Baghdatis who beat Fed only once aswell.

Murray was way tougher in AO 13 and 15 finals. It's not close.

so murray was a tougher opponent because novak was kind enough to lose to him a few times and then muck around with him for a couple sets. Very convenient system.

Both matches were a fight for 2 sets and a few games (partly because Djokovic's level was patchy, as it was throughout both those tournaments) then Murray essentially gave away the rest of the match.

 

[abmk]

Murray was up a set in that ao 13 final. Couple of months prior to that, he beat Djoko at the USO so he was building up a mental edge. They continued the 2nd set the same way all the way to a TB with no breaks of serve at all, same goes for in the 1st set. In the third, they were 3-3 until Djoko broke him.

Same as in AO 15 final, it was a fight 3/4 sets.

You knew murray's level was gonna drop? Lol and you didn't know Federer was gonna beat Gonzalez, guy who managed a 8% win rate out of 13 matches against Fed? LOL. Or Baghdatis who beat Fed only once aswell.

Murray was way tougher in AO 13 and 15 finals. It's not close.

Read the whole thing :

"the 3rd set, you knew Murray's level was down and Djokovic was going to take it.
Murray was affected by blisters half-way through the match."

those are not independent statements. Murray's level started dropping after 2nd set TB as he started getting affected by blisters more.

Murray in AO 13 final was about the same as Baggy in AO 06 final, in AO 15 final - a little better, but not by much.
and in neither of those was he tougher than Gonzalez in AO 2007 final. Murray won a set and Gonzalez didn't because Federer was clearly better in the AO 07 final (&clutch) than Djokovic was in AO 13 final and AO 15 final.

Same reason why Baghdatis won a set and Gonzalez didn't. Federer played clearly better (& clutch) in AO 07 final in AO 06 final.
Gonzalez played better even if he didn't get a set and Baggy did.

Oh and about the no breaks of serve in AO 13 final for 2 sets, neither of Djokovic/Murray returned well in those 2 sets. By their normal standards , it was mediocre returning from both.

both AO 2013 and AO 2015 were competitive for 2 sets and a bit. not whole 3/4 sets.

Edit: mental edge because of USO 2012 final ? really. because djokovic beat him in shanghai 2012 final saving 5 MPs . also in WTF 2012 RR in 3 sets.

 

[abmk]

Your attempt to prop up Baghdatis and Gonzalez as some sort of tough opponents is hilarious. "Gonzalez played better than Djokovic did in his final". Great way of trying to justify that Gonzalez couldn't manage a set while Murray did in both matches.
Murray was way tougher in AO 13 and 15 finals. It's not close.

Gonzalez played better than DJokovic did in his final ? When did I say that ?

"Gonzalez was up against a Federer in his best AO ever --- in the AO 2007 final he was better than Djokovic was in AO 13/AO 15 finals."

THis statement meant that Federer in AO 2007 final was better than Djokovic was in AO 13/AO 15 final.

which is obvious .......

 

[dnguyen]

Novak faked his own injuries during the match play because he couldn’t be bother to continue.

 

[ewiewp]

Djokovic is an extreme athletic talent.

But I think Rafa actually posses a bit better talent for all court game.
It's just he has not used it enough (yet) concentrating on clay too much.

Rafa has the best reflex at the net among 3 monetioned here.

 

[hothanded]

I dont get why people get their panties in such a knot over one peoples opinion. That is all it is, one persons' opinion.

 

[racquetreligion]

Noles greatest weakness was taking care of his little brother which brought on Pepe le Spew
As for skills, the guys is so flexible he adapted to both players as they fell our of their peaks
and made the best of it however if Muzzler had the same flexibility and nimble body he would
have achieved the same as Nole. To watch tennis give me Nadal, Fed, The Dog or Shapo but
the Dog like Monfils spent more time being creative than reliable while Shapo is still to prove
he can maintain good form yet still young. If the ATP sped up the balls or courts then Nole
and Murray would actually look exciting to watch but these monopoly dinosaurs are inept

 

[titoelcolombiano]

I put Nadal, Djoker and Fed in a league of their own in terms of all time greats. Djoker is behind Pete in the slam count but Pete had nothing like Fed & Rafa to deal with.

 

[veroniquem]

Of course he is. That's why he has 13 slam titles while Fed only has 11 (legit ones where he had to beat a top 4 player)

ETA: also Djoko has 19 master titles beating top 4 players, Fed only 13.

 

[chjtennis]

Martin must be desperate for attention.

 

[Mainad]

Martin must be desperate for attention.

At least he finally got himself into the Hall of Fame!

http://www.tennisindustry.org/cms/i...new-ceo-of-international-tennis-hall-of-fame/

 

[Sudacafan]

Federer and Nadal are the top two players in the world and have won 37 Grand Slam titles between them.

But Martin thinks Novak Djokovic is more technically gifted and he would go down as the greatest of all time if he had not been damned with injuries.

The Serbian added Grand Slam No 13 to his name at Wimbledon earlier this month, which put to bed a nightmare 12 months that included surgery on an elbow problem.

But before his recent issues, Djokovic won four major tournaments in a row to end the long-running dominance of Federer and Nadal.

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/ten...adal-Todd-Martin-Novak-Djokovic-Mats-Wilander

Thoughts?

Is Martin entitled to discuss talent?

 

[Sudacafan]

You can't talk down holding all four majors + YECs at once in this era of tennis.

In this weak era of tennis?

 

[Vish13]

Lol, when did Djokovic have any injuries?
He skipped one slam in his career and suddenly he had a lot of injuries? Look how many slams Nadal skipped in his career.

He had a career threatening injury named Pepe Imaz.

 

[chjtennis]

At least he finally got himself into the Hall of Fame!

http://www.tennisindustry.org/cms/i...new-ceo-of-international-tennis-hall-of-fame/

Good for him! Maybe he was too excited by the news and got carried away a little bit.

 

[moonballs]

On clay? Not really. It only looks like that because he played a lot against 2014-2016 Nadal on clay when Nadal was at the worst form of his career.

Nole owned Rafa 7:0 in slam and masters finals in 2011. This streak covered hard, grass and clay.

 

[Steve0904]

Don't agree with this. Djokovic can't hit volleys or overheads (not on the same level) for a start. Isn't express like a clickbait source too?

 

[RF-18]

In this weak era of tennis?

In this era where you need to be in absolute top shape. The game has gotten more physical and to do what Djokovic did is unparalleled.

 

[RF-18]

Don't agree with this. Djokovic can't hit volleys or overheads (not on the same level) for a start. Isn't express like a clickbait source too?

Djokovic doesn't look the most natural up there but he gets the job done most of the time. Amount of success he has when he goes to the net is very high. He has always good numbers. Check his match vs Nadal at Wimbledon for more recent example.

 

[Steve0904]

Djokovic doesn't look the most natural up there but he gets the job done most of the time. Amount of success he has when he goes to the net is very high. He has always good numbers. Check his match vs Nadal at Wimbledon for more recent example.

I know that, but he's still a clearly worse volleyer than either of them and we don't need to mention overheads.