Tommy Haas' Real Racquet

chrischris

G.O.A.T.
Sorry, but it is 97 sq. in.

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i had this Haas pro stock in AeroGel 300 1st edition PJ. it was such a sweet stick.. low swingweight but serious plowthrough and stability and feel. At the time i has the Berdych pro stock , the Dunlop AG 200 PJ. also a nice one,but the Haas one,was superb.
Regret it a bit that i sold it tbh.
 

Tacco

New User
I've just bought a HM black/yellow pj one, from 2002 (it's new, never strung, with his name on bridge), and it's so nice for me...
But I don't want to string it, I will keep it as it is. Maybe I will try to get a used one (MW pj) in the future, so I could string and play it, just to make a comparison with my actual PT57E from a former italian ATP player...
Ettore
 

Tacco

New User
Great, thanks a lot!!!!
Now I'm curious to know when Tommy stopped using the blue Gamma Hi Tech, starting to use leather...
Ettore
 

Matt H.

Professional
I've just bought a HM black/yellow pj one, from 2002 (it's new, never strung, with his name on bridge), and it's so nice for me...
But I don't want to string it, I will keep it as it is. Maybe I will try to get a used one (MW pj) in the future, so I could string and play it, just to make a comparison with my actual PT57E from a former italian ATP player...
Ettore

do you have the specs on tommy's frame?

i've heard the balance point is extremely low, which would make sense with the low swingweight...ie, all the weight in the grip.
 

carlosoki

Rookie
I think the specs are:

head size : 98sq.inc. / 630cm² midplus
length: 27” / 68,5cm (standard)
balance : 31,4 cm
weight unstrung: 349gr ( silicone in the handle & lead under grommets & lead placed 3h/9h )
string pattern: 18/20
grip size L4 ( 4.1/2 ) special pallets for him molded directly on the frame
with leather grip
 

Tacco

New User
I think the specs are:
...
grip size L4 ( 4.1/2 ) special pallets for him molded directly on the frame
with leather grip
... with L5 Head shape butt cap. ;-)

Do you know what kind of actual grommets will fit his old Dunlop frame?
Maybe the ones for the F 3.0 Tour? It's 18x20 as the F 2.0 Tour, but the first is given as a 98sq (as Haas's pro stock) when the second is only a 95sq. Or maybe grommets are the same for those two...?
Ettore
 

Tacco

New User
For those interested in this info, PT924 is the code/name of the mold made by Dunlop for him and other players (James Blake, for example)...
Ettore
 

Rajan Rackets

New User
Racket Specs for Hass

I talk rackets and pro stocks with my coach all the time.
I heard some funny storys about Haas's finickiness with rackets.

Apparently (when he was back with dunlop) he didnt line one paint color over the other because it was heavier than the other. The same thing happened with his prestige too as the grommets that were given initially were "lighter than the black ones" hes use to.

I get it - a pro needs what they want to play top shelf tennis. It just seems kinda crazy they get hung up on the smallest of things like a grommet and paint.
 

Matt H.

Professional
Yeah he claimed the matte paint of the hot melt paint job felt very different compared to the gloss paint on the muscle weave.
 

WhereIsMacMac

Professional
For those interested in this info, PT924 is the code/name of the mold made by Dunlop for him and other players (James Blake, for example)...
Ettore


What does PT924 means? How is it different from the "Option" racquets discussed earlier on the threads? I'd love to hear a thing or two from someone who's actually got an experience with Dunlop pro stocks
 

PBODY99

Legend
Yeah he claimed the matte paint of the hot melt paint job felt very different compared to the gloss paint on the muscle weave.

On his one handed back hand, he holds the throat in left hand, so yes the \difference in feel could be a distraction.
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
Yeah he claimed the matte paint of the hot melt paint job felt very different compared to the gloss paint on the muscle weave.
Well, it does feel very different. The Hot Melt paintjob was rubberized and very "grippy", whereas the paintjob on the Muscle Weave was glossy and more slippery. You'll definitely notice the difference when you cradle the throat of the racquets in your off-hand as you prepare to hit one-handed backhands.
 

JGads

G.O.A.T.
Yeah he claimed the matte paint of the hot melt paint job felt very different compared to the gloss paint on the muscle weave.

Paint and gloss can change a frame's ball feel and sound. I'm aware of some pros other than Haas who haven't changed paint schemes because of that exact reason.
 

Hotrocks

Rookie
Haas racquet

I think the specs are:

head size : 98sq.inc. / 630cm² midplus
length: 27” / 68,5cm (standard)
balance : 31,4 cm
weight unstrung: 349gr ( silicone in the handle & lead under grommets & lead placed 3h/9h )
string pattern: 18/20
grip size L4 ( 4.1/2 ) special pallets for him molded directly on the frame
with leather grip

I recently received one of Haas's racquets from the tournament in Miami, a broken one. The code in the throat is E004604. Leather grip, size 4 1/2 with looks to be tourna grip over grip. Paint job of the new Head Graphene Prestige MP with black head guard and grommets. Looks like gut strings in the mains and a black poly in the crosses with (power pads) for the center mains. Don't have a scale or balance beam to get the spec's, at the moment.
 

Tacco

New User
What does PT924 means? How is it different from the "Option" racquets discussed earlier on the threads? I'd love to hear a thing or two from someone who's actually got an experience with Dunlop pro stocks
Don't know what it means (Pro Tourxxx?), and don't know the differences from the other sticks...
I like your avatar! :)

Anyway, how do you know if a racquet's a PT924?
This is the production code on the shaft, under the handle. I've bought one of his PT924 pj black/silver Hot Melt. It's new, unused, without pallets/molded grip (before customization), shipped to him from Dunlop's China Factory in late 2002/early 2003 (he wanted some more sticks to try different set-up).

I recently received one of Haas's racquets from the tournament in Miami, a broken one. The code in the throat is E004604. Leather grip, size 4 1/2 with looks to be tourna grip over grip. Paint job of the new Head Graphene Prestige MP with black head guard and grommets. Looks like gut strings in the mains and a black poly in the crosses with (power pads) for the center mains. Don't have a scale or balance beam to get the spec's, at the moment.
It would be interesting to know if it's a PT57 (A? E?) or a TGK... Can you check codes under the pallets for us? Don't know if he's still using a molded grip or standard Head pallets: if he's still using a molded grip you can't check codes on the shaft, but you can tell us if at the end of the black grommets, on the side, there's a little portion of drill pattern (PT57s) or not (TGKs).
And... about the grip size... is L4 (4 1/2) the code on the buttcap? In the past he used L4 molded grip with L5 buttcap, and I'm curious to know how things are now...
Ettore
 

WhereIsMacMac

Professional
Don't know what it means (Pro Tourxxx?), and don't know the differences from the other sticks...

I like your avatar! :)





This is the production code on the shaft, under the handle. I've bought one of his PT924 pj black/silver Hot Melt. It's new, unused, without pallets/molded grip (before customization), shipped to him from Dunlop's China Factory in late 2002/early 2003 (he wanted some more sticks to try different set-up).





It would be interesting to know if it's a PT57 (A? E?) or a TGK... Can you check codes under the pallets for us? Don't know if he's still using a molded grip or standard Head pallets: if he's still using a molded grip you can't check codes on the shaft, but you can tell us if at the end of the black grommets, on the side, there's a little portion of drill pattern (PT57s) or not (TGKs).

And... about the grip size... is L4 (4 1/2) the code on the buttcap? In the past he used L4 molded grip with L5 buttcap, and I'm curious to know how things are now...

Ettore


Thanks! Haha

Do you have pictures of the PT924's you bought? I've seen Dunlop pro stocks but only those with stickers in the throat.
 

Tacco

New User
Thanks! Haha

Do you have pictures of the PT924's you bought? I've seen Dunlop pro stocks but only those with stickers in the throat.
Here they are...!
This is one used Haas's PT924 pj Muscle Weave (@2001 US Open), original molded grip with Head Finest leather grip (not original).

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This is one new, unused and unstrung Haas's PT924 pj black/yellow Hot Melt (@2002 US Open), original molded grip with leather grip (not original).

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This is the new, unused and unstrung Haas's PT924 pj black/silver Hot Melt (late 2002/early 2003), without molded grip or pallets.

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Tacco

New User
... and this is the last one. A used Haas's PT924 pj 3 Hundred (2005 or 2006), original molded grip).

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These are my Haas's pro stock: the only pj I miss of his "Dunlop Era" is the Aerogel one.

4 and 1/2 ? that is small. he has a huge size hand. I seen it in a tournament
I can confirm (as you can see, I have 3 of his original PT924s with custom molded grip...) that it's an L4 handle (beeing custom molded, it's not identical to a standard retail L4 grip, but sizes are comparable) with only an Head shaped L5 buttcap without sticker.
Don't know if he's still using that kind/size of grip.
Ettore
 

boinz

Rookie
anyone here knows what the player code on the throat of pro stock means? Is it a batch no. of pro stock or is there more to it?

previously I had seen codes ranging from Bxxxx to Cxxxx and even Dxxxx I am sure there are Axxxx
but with the Prestige/Radical Graphene out there is Exxxx now
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
This is the new, unused and unstrung Haas's PT924 pj black/silver Hot Melt (late 2002/early 2003), without molded grip or pallets.

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...

Was there ever a retail HM200G with that black/silver color scheme? I don't recall ever seeing one. And if not, why would they paintjob Haas's racquet to look like that if that paintjob wasn't used for retail models?
 

vsbabolat

G.O.A.T.
Was there ever a retail HM200G with that black/silver color scheme? I don't recall ever seeing one. And if not, why would they paintjob Haas's racquet to look like that if that paintjob wasn't used for retail models?

He did not like the black/yellow PJ. He did not play much with it. Also the 400G PJ was the black/silver PJ. But of course Haas had to have 200G written on his frames.
 

Tacco

New User
He did not like the black/yellow PJ. He did not play much with it. Also the 400G PJ was the black/silver PJ. But of course Haas had to have 200G written on his frames.
You're right (as always...)!
He played a little bit with HM black/yellow pj during 2002 (French Open, US Open...) but didn't like it, so he switched back to the MW pj in the same year.
The black/silver HM pj was made for him at the end of that year, but I think he didn't use it in match playing, or he did it for a very short time (I saw only pics of him playing his MW pj in 2003). Here is a retail 400G black/silver Hot Melt pj:

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WhereIsMacMac

Professional
You're right (as always...)!

He played a little bit with HM black/yellow pj during 2002 (French Open, US Open...) but didn't like it, so he switched back to the MW pj in the same year.

The black/silver HM pj was made for him at the end of that year, but I think he didn't use it in match playing, or he did it for a very short time (I saw only pics of him playing his MW pj in 2003). Here is a retail 400G black/silver Hot Melt pj:



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Gotta say the 400G looks much cooler than the 200G. On a side note I wonder why Dunlop doesn't have "established" color designation for each line unlike Head.
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
Gotta say the 400G looks much cooler than the 200G. On a side note I wonder why Dunlop doesn't have "established" color designation for each line unlike Head.
I think they sort of do after the Hot Melt line. Starting with the M-Fil line, the 200 series has been blue, 300 series has been red, etc.
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
He did not like the black/yellow PJ. He did not play much with it. Also the 400G PJ was the black/silver PJ. But of course Haas had to have 200G written on his frames.
Thanks, that's interesting. Too bad Haas didn't use this black/silver version much in matches, it's a nice looking paintjob.
 

WhereIsMacMac

Professional
I think they sort of do after the Hot Melt line. Starting with the M-Fil line, the 200 series has been blue, 300 series has been red, etc.


What I mean is, it doesn't stick to my head that much. Unlike when I see a red Head, I will automatically think its a Prestige. And that's coming off a Dunlop user. Maybe its just me though.
 

TMR

Rookie
Dunlop Tommy Haas Muscle Weave 200g pj

Do you still have this racquet?
I am trying to find one, but no luck.
 

TMR

Rookie
Dunlop Muscle Weave 200g pj Tommy Haas

I have an old original Haas frame with the MW pj here at home. It is surely the same mold as the T.Fight 320/335. I put a TF bumper on it and it fits! ;) Also it is quit heavy and has a pretty soft frame. But a friend of mine who strung his rackets several times over the last years said that his frames became stiffer since the times of the MW pj.
Another friend who strings his rackets very often said that in the last months he dropped the racket weight a lot and also went down to 28 kilo string tension due to his shoulder problems.

sorry, here is the post I was referring to.
 

TMR

Rookie
Tommy Haas Dunlop Muscle Weave 200g pj

TMR- PM me and I can put you in touch with someone who can help.

Hi phishbiscuits, I tried to email you through your profile, but I got: "Sorry! That user has specified that they do not wish to receive emails. If you still wish to send an email to this user, please contact the administrator and they may be able to help."

If you email me through my profile, it should work.
 
Aerogel 300, 200 and 100 were the ones just before dunlop changed designs to the m 2.0, f and m 3.0, f 4.0 tour, etc. tmk, they were the last of the traditional dunlop moulds resembling the muscle weave and hotmelt series.
 

KIWI69

New User
Aerogel 300, 200 and 100 were the ones just before dunlop changed designs to the m 2.0, f and m 3.0, f 4.0 tour, etc. tmk, they were the last of the traditional dunlop moulds resembling the muscle weave and hotmelt series.
I use Dunlop aerogel 4d 200, the same model that was used by Tomas Berdych, and i'm looking for it but pro stock, could you tell me where I can find this one?
 

Automatix

Legend
I use Dunlop aerogel 4d 200, the same model that was used by Tomas Berdych, and i'm looking for it but pro stock, could you tell me where I can find this one?
Hate to burst your bubble but Berdych didn't use the 200. It was a paintjob. That is at least to my knowledge.
 

KIWI69

New User
hi, look, I would like to ask you a question, based on your knowledge, which racquet is best overall, the Head Flexpoint Prestige Mid, or Dunlop Revelation 200g pro mid size?, best regards, sincerely, KIWI69
 
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