Toni Nadal blasts Djokovic and Team for suicidal tactics against Alcaraz

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Rafael Nadal's uncle has savaged Novak Djokovic and his team for their ‘suicidal’ tactics against Carlos Alcaraz. The Serbian great was completely outgunned in straight sets by the Spanish star in Sunday’s Wimbledon final.

The 21-year-old became the youngest man in the Open era to win the French Open and Wimbledon back-to-back after defeating Djokovic for the second year in a row at the All England Club. Alcaraz has replaced Nadal as his country’s tennis standard bearer.

Nadal’s uncle, Toni Nadal, played been a key role in the 22-time Grand Slam winner’s success when he served as his nephew’s coach. And he has ripped into Djokovic’s tactics against Alcaraz in a hard-hitting column for El Pais.

Toni said he could empathise with the tough decisions the 37-year-old and his team faced going into the match against a “superior opponent”. He wrote: “Do we face it with our usual weapons and our own style or, on the contrary, do we try to neutralise our opponent by looking for other solutions by moving away from our characteristic game?

Rafael Nadal's uncle has savaged Novak Djokovic and his team for their ‘suicidal’ tactics against Carlos Alcaraz. The Serbian great was completely outgunned in straight sets by the Spanish star in Sunday’s Wimbledon final.

“Personally, I always chose the first. If it is already difficult to play well doing what one is used to doing, it has always seemed much more difficult to me to do well, and even more so in a final, which is not my custom.”

Toni said Djokovic had wrongly gone for the second option and that his declining powers weren’t taken into consideration enough. He added: “Knowing that neither his legs nor the precision of his strokes were what they once were, and that a long and physical match would not help him either, he tried a tactic that ultimately proved suicidal.

“He wanted to impose a high tempo, play aggressively, shorten the exchanges from the back of the court and at the slightest opportunity, close out the points at the net. In my opinion, the only option the Serbian had was to try to slow down the game.”

Toni said that relying on Alcaraz having an off-day and hoping to beat him “by speed is practically impossible nowadays”. He added that only one other player can truly compete with Alcaraz now.

“Perhaps only Jannik Sinner can play the Spaniard on equal terms,” he said. “And, in fact, this Sunday's final confirms that the real rivalry in the next tournaments and, probably, in the next few years will be between these two: the Italian and our great Spanish champion.”


 
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Where did Toni "blast" anyone? All he basically said was that Djokovic isn't as good as he used to be, and that trying to do something outside of your comfort zone is even tougher than trying to win with your usual game in the situation he was in. That's it.

All the additional editorializing is nothing more than trying to stir up controversy and is pretty over-the-top ridiculous.
 
The problem wasn't the strategy so much as not executing the strategy correctly to begin with. You can't approach someone as fast and lethal as Alcaraz with poor approaches. Djokovic wasn't hitting the ball aggressively enough to rush Alcaraz to try that tactic. If you look at the Cincy final and the match at the ATP Finals, that's the type of hitting that was missing from his game plus the obvious slower movement. He looked a step slow all match so no I don't agree with what he's saying. You could feel the absence of a coach on his team in that match as well because he never made the adjustment when they would have told him what he was doing wrong.
 
“Personally, I always chose the first. If it is already difficult to play well doing what one is used to doing, it has always seemed much more difficult to me to do well, and
LMAO. Yeah, we know... God bless Carlos Moya and all the serve tinkering. Holy Christ.

Djokovic used near enough exactly the same tactic against Musetti, and it worked wonders, so even accounting for the gap in quality between Musetti and Alcaraz, it's hard to blame him for feeling it was worth a shot.

For a set and a half anyway... After that, sure, I'll agree with Uncle Toni.
 
“He wanted to impose a high tempo, play aggressively, shorten the exchanges from the back of the court and at the slightest opportunity, close out the points at the net. In my opinion, the only option the Serbian had was to try to slow down the game.”
So that's Toni's solution? What a joke.

This is a terrible idea, slowing the tempo down vs. Alcaraz and trying to get into long pushing rallies ended just as badly for him.

Toni isn't necessarily wrong but the truth is no tactics were saving Novak on Sunday. Alcaraz cleaned his clock in every aspect of the game, superior in all facets, a total beatdown in every sense of the word. He properly spanked Djokovic and easily as well. It was simply pure dominance, a young gun finishing off a very old man it felt like.
 
Yes, slowing down the game against alcaraz is not possible, even the Med tried to play aggressive tempo against alcaraz and i think that was the right strategy
 
Not a fan of Toni Nadal. But he s got a point. Djokovic is well beyond his peak and must shorten the rallies as much as possible. Thing is, his volleys are not that good like Fed's for example.
And I agree that Sinner Alcaraz would be a dream matchup in the finals.
 
LMAO. Yeah, we know... God bless Carlos Moya and all the serve tinkering. Holy Christ.

Djokovic used near enough exactly the same tactic against Musetti, and it worked wonders, so even accounting for the gap in quality between Musetti and Alcaraz, it's hard to blame him for feeling it was worth a shot.

For a set and a half anyway... After that, sure, I'll agree with Uncle Toni.
Rafa should have been done with Toni by the end of 2014 ideally and got in Moya by 2015
 
Did the article really say the same thing 5 times before actually going to Tonis actual quote?

Journalism these days
 
Rafael Nadal's uncle has savaged Novak Djokovic and his team for their ‘suicidal’ tactics against Carlos Alcaraz. The Serbian great was completely outgunned in straight sets by the Spanish star in Sunday’s Wimbledon final.

The 21-year-old became the youngest man in the Open era to win the French Open and Wimbledon back-to-back after defeating Djokovic for the second year in a row at the All England Club. Alcaraz has replaced Nadal as his country’s tennis standard bearer.

Nadal’s uncle, Toni Nadal, played been a key role in the 22-time Grand Slam winner’s success when he served as his nephew’s coach. And he has ripped into Djokovic’s tactics against Alcaraz in a hard-hitting column for El Pais.

Toni said he could empathise with the tough decisions the 37-year-old and his team faced going into the match against a “superior opponent”. He wrote: “Do we face it with our usual weapons and our own style or, on the contrary, do we try to neutralise our opponent by looking for other solutions by moving away from our characteristic game?

Rafael Nadal's uncle has savaged Novak Djokovic and his team for their ‘suicidal’ tactics against Carlos Alcaraz. The Serbian great was completely outgunned in straight sets by the Spanish star in Sunday’s Wimbledon final.

Toni said he could empathise with the tough decisions the 37-year-old and his team faced going into the match against a “superior opponent”. He wrote: “Do we face it with our usual weapons and our own style or, on the contrary, do we try to neutralise our opponent by looking for other solutions by moving away from our characteristic game?

“Personally, I always chose the first. If it is already difficult to play well doing what one is used to doing, it has always seemed much more difficult to me to do well, and even more so in a final, which is not my custom.”

Toni said Djokovic had wrongly gone for the second option and that his declining powers weren’t taken into consideration enough. He added: “Knowing that neither his legs nor the precision of his strokes were what they once were, and that a long and physical match would not help him either, he tried a tactic that ultimately proved suicidal.

“He wanted to impose a high tempo, play aggressively, shorten the exchanges from the back of the court and at the slightest opportunity, close out the points at the net. In my opinion, the only option the Serbian had was to try to slow down the game.”

Toni said that relying on Alcaraz having an off-day and hoping to beat him “by speed is practically impossible nowadays”. He added that only one other player can truly compete with Alcaraz now.

“Perhaps only Jannik Sinner can play the Spaniard on equal terms,” he said. “And, in fact, this Sunday's final confirms that the real rivalry in the next tournaments and, probably, in the next few years will be between these two: the Italian and our great Spanish champion.”


It is evident that you have a well-marked antipathy towards Nadal and his family.
His uncle is no exception.
 
So that's Toni's solution? What a joke.

This is a terrible idea, slowing the tempo down vs. Alcaraz and trying to get into long pushing rallies ended just as badly for him.

Toni isn't necessarily wrong but the truth is no tactics were saving Novak on Sunday. Alcaraz cleaned his clock in every aspect of the game, superior in all facets, a total beatdown in every sense of the word. He properly spanked Djokovic and easily as well. It was simply pure dominance, a young gun finishing off a very old man it felt like.
You won't know how it would've gone different if you made different decisions. I absolutely think the tactics were ****, and that's why he put Alcaraz in a hugely comfortable position enabling him to get in the flow and hitting his peak level without a shadow of a doubt in mind.
 
You won't know how it would've gone different if you made different decisions. I absolutely think the tactics were ****, and that's why he put Alcaraz in a hugely comfortable position enabling him to get in the flow and hitting his peak level without a shadow of a doubt in mind.
I know beyond any shadow of a doubt in my mind that Carlos Alcaraz was coming away victorious in that match even if Novak invented the 5D chess genius gameplan. And I think that’s what the real issue was. That opening game Novak realized it too.

And he got increasingly more desperate as a result, but the truth is, he never believed from the start.
 
Djokovic said it himself that Alcaraz was superior in every aspect that day. No amount of strategy can beat an opponent who does every shot better than you.

Djokovic could have tried playing slow, fast, aggressive, defensive, pushing, slicing, S&V, or whatever, nothing would have worked.
 
That's not what the British Express wrote.

Whats the meaning of a standard bearer ? It is like a leader of an army or spmeone who is seen as the rating parameter ? You are right, that would still be Nadal but Alcaraz can claim that today people look up to him in spain to carry the baton as Nadal is no longer there.... so why not? Alcaraz can be your standard bearer
 
When did he hire Moya? 17?
Toni Nadal hired Moya as the Technical Director of Rafa's academy and a member of the Rafa Team at the end of 2016. After Moya joined the Rafa Team, Toni continued to travel with the team for a year. It was a smooth transition from Toni to Moya within the team.
 
Forgetting that it was Toni Nadal (who knows the game and is very outspoken).

Did this match really come down to tactics?
Now, the question (in general) is: Do you play to your strengths or modify your tactics to beat (or not lose to) your opponent?
Honestly, I don't think that Novak was in condition to outlast Carlos in a B of 5 with long rallies, and per Toni's point, I disagree.
Novak had to play aggressively to have a chance.
Now, it didn't help that on the day, Carlos brought his A game, and Novak (at best) his B game.
It may not have mattered, anyway -- the better player on the day won, and by a sizable margin.
 
Whats the meaning of a standard bearer ? It is like a leader of an army or spmeone who is seen as the rating parameter ? You are right, that would still be Nadal but Alcaraz can claim that today people look up to him in spain to carry the baton as Nadal is no longer there.... so why not? Alcaraz can be your standard bearer
I commented on what the British Express wrote.
 
Slowing down the game against a younger more fit player doesnt sound like a great idea.

We finally have a few youngsters that can exploit that the older ATGs arent as good as they used to be, its as simple as that.

I think this also shows that the field lacks depth, Djokovic clearly isnt on top, still cruising to the final.
 
Djoker said himself that Alcaraz did every single thing better. I will trust Djoker's assessment over anyone's.

Yesterday, I got into a street fight with Brock Lesnar. Brock was better at everything. He was bigger, faster, had better striking ability, grappling skills, choke holds, etc etc. I tried keeping my distance and kicking him. But Toni Nadal said that I should have tried to wrestle him to the ground. I.e, I should have turned it into a physical war of attrition like Djoker should have done against Alcaraz.
 
I know beyond any shadow of a doubt in my mind that Carlos Alcaraz was coming away victorious in that match even if Novak invented the 5D chess genius gameplan. And I think that’s what the real issue was. That opening game Novak realized it too.

And he got increasingly more desperate as a result, but the truth is, he never believed from the start.
This looks all very evident in hindsight. But it's not an excuse to just melt down into terrible tactical patterns

Djokovic line of tactics was basically "If I lose baseline battle -> run to net and get passed" instead of "If I lose baseline battle -> dig in and stop fking losing"

Really he should be commended for making Roddicks 2007 AO semi look like a tactical masterclass
 
This looks all very evident in hindsight. But it's not an excuse to just melt down into terrible tactical patterns

Djokovic line of tactics was basically "If I lose baseline battle -> run to net and get passed" instead of "If I lose baseline battle -> dig in and stop fking losing"

Really he should be commended for making Roddicks 2007 AO semi look like a tactical masterclass
And even when Djokovic got to balls at the net, he would just keep dumping them into the net, was terrible at net play. For a GOAT, that was godawful to play like that and not change tactics.
 
He went to the net way too much; he was expecting Alcaraz's passers to be as futile and useless as they were in Cincinnati & Turin last year.
While Novak's tactics did not work, it is understandable that he tried that way in order to not get into long rallies, due to his knee and overall physical condition. Either way, he was bound to lose as Alcaraz was totally on his game that day.
 
I know beyond any shadow of a doubt in my mind that Carlos Alcaraz was coming away victorious in that match even if Novak invented the 5D chess genius gameplan. And I think that’s what the real issue was. That opening game Novak realized it too.

And he got increasingly more desperate as a result, but the truth is, he never believed from the start.
If Djokovic would have tried this one weird trick that is guaranteed to beat Carlos Alcaraz, he could have won.
 
Djoker said himself that Alcaraz did every single thing better. I will trust Djoker's assessment over anyone's.

Yesterday, I got into a street fight with Brock Lesnar. Brock was better at everything. He was bigger, faster, had better striking ability, grappling skills, choke holds, etc etc. I tried keeping my distance and kicking him. But Toni Nadal said that I should have tried to wrestle him to the ground. I.e, I should have turned it into a physical war of attrition like Djoker should have done against Alcaraz.

If you've beaten Brock Lesnar before like Djokovic has done to Alcaraz then maybe you do have a chance against Brock.

What Toni is saying is that Djokovic is in a total mess now as far as coaching is concerned. Who loses in straight sets in the final by looking totally outclassed in every department ? He was terrible, no excuse for it. Alcaraz's serve was better than his, he is younger, he has better touch at the net, Djoker had no chance at trying to outfox him there, he is not Medvedev/Zverev, so maybe Toni has a point.... he is saying that Novak's camp is in a mess and he is right.... Djokovic needs a new coach and a stable head in his team !
 
This looks all very evident in hindsight. But it's not an excuse to just melt down into terrible tactical patterns

Djokovic line of tactics was basically "If I lose baseline battle -> run to net and get passed" instead of "If I lose baseline battle -> dig in and stop fking losing"

Really he should be commended for making Roddicks 2007 AO semi look like a tactical masterclass
I wrote it after the very first game:

Novak cracks! Awful FH UE and his resolve is broken!

This is over, imo. His spirit is crushed already
 
When did he hire Moya? 17?
At the end of 2016. Carlos Moya and Toni Nadal were Rafael Nadal's co-coaches in 2017, and then Moya alone was coach from 2018.

I do think that Rafa needed a new coach for 2015, as good as Toni had been for him in the past. Toni's approach was nearly always to double down on tried and trusted methods, so Rafa played in 2015 like it was 10 years earlier while being unsure of what he could do physically after 2014 injuries (i.e. back, wrist, appendicitis).
 
The only workable tactic was the one which was tried. And it failed. Bad execution or just not having enough weight on the shot etc can be the reasons.


But tactically - going to the net more is the right tactic for a less fitter player. If you can’t run enough, you try and shorten the points. That’s 101 tennis.

Djokovic wasn’t good enough on the day and Carlos was just brilliant. Another day, another few net points won - things might change. Who knows.
 
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