Toni Nadal hired as the coach of Felix Auger Aliassime

I mean, if you read this entire thread and don't realize the prevailing sentiment about Felix is that he isn't a future slam champion and that Toni was better off coaching a different young prospect, then it can't be helped. I don't have time to give you elementary reading lessons.

Yes, some people other than myself are bullish on Felix (including Toni, apparently), but most on this forum aren't. You just choose to ignore that because your entire existence on this forum is centered on engaging in useless pedantry olympics with people who are smarter than you.
So, now you say that the opinions of the posters like me, who you seemed to agree with, don't exist, even though you just agreed with them? How many loops are you going to jump through to agree openly and stop pretzeling yourself?

To top that off, you offer a straw man, as the people whose opinion you discussed , actually were giving their opinion on whether FAA's future is better than his current standing, and it was (almost unanimously) agreed upon that it is, but that better future was discussed in most vague terms. The conversation was revolving mostly around whether Toni and FAA are a good match, not whether FAA will be hugely successful. Being successful with a player and making him a Major champion are not interchangeable statements, as the first largely depends on the current level of the player.

Finally, it is funny that you accuse me of pedantry, when your pompous comment on the opinions in this thread hangs on the narrowest of interpretations of a couple of opinions, if you have even that. No, in reading this thread one will not come to your conclusion about what people think about FAA.

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Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
OK. Now Tío Toni wants to travel again.
In the middle of a pandemic. He could have waited a little bit more.
Uncle toni needs attention and all the media coverage and TV time. and all the hot women that they throw themselves at him when he travels.


 

daggerman

Hall of Fame
So, now you say that the opinions of the posters like me, who you seemed to agree with, don't exist, even though you just agreed with them? How many loops are you going to jump through to agree openly and stop pretzeling yourself?

To top that off, you offer a straw man, as the people whose opinion you discussed , actually were giving their opinion on whether FAA's future is better than his current standing, and it was (almost unanimously) agreed upon that it is, but that better future was discussed in most vague terms. The conversation was revolving mostly around whether Toni and FAA are a good match, not whether FAA will be hugely successful. Being successful with a player and making him a Major champion are not interchangeable statements, as the first largely depends on the current level of the player.

Finally, it is funny that you accuse me of pedantry, when your pompous comment on the opinions in this thread hangs on the narrowest of interpretations of a couple of opinions, if you have even that. No, in reading this thread one will not come to your conclusion about what people think about FAA.

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Like I said, I don't have time to give you elementary reading lessons or engage in your pedantry olympics.
 
That fact that you're the one delivering that message is rather reassuring to me.
Here is something even more reassuring that you cannot read. All posts before your first post in this thread:

Now only Shapo is missing an upgrade for the new big 3 to arrive.

Fed = Shapo
Nadal = FAA
Sinner = Djokovic
I thought he already looked a different player after a few sessions at the RN Academy. He looked very focused in his match against Shapovalov at the AO. This could be the best decision he's taken in his professional life.
I called FAA the New Nadal years ago!

This is amazing news.
Notice that Toni isn't agreeing to coach a player with an obvious ceiling, like Goffin or Simon, but someone with limitless potential, who is obviously receptive to coaching, unlike some who could be named.
I feel he wouldn't do this to just any player. He must have concluded something about FAA before making this decision. Excited to see the results soon.
Uncle Toni does not just coach anyone.
He must see something in the young lad.
Wow, this is news.
My first thought as well. Surely, Toni thinks FAA can be a multi-slam/ATG champion. I mean, Toni wouldn't even think of coaching a player who doesn't have ATG potential, no?
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daggerman

Hall of Fame
Here is something even more reassuring that you cannot read. All posts before your first post in this thread:













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The irony is that your including that first quote from Sudacafan is actually evidence that you don't read very well.

Like, honestly, before then I just assumed you wanted to troll me because you're bitter about having been schooled on numerous occasions. I didn't actually think you were a poor reader. But now there is some reason to believe that your reading skills really are subpar.

Hell of a job, mate. Schooled again! Keep being bitter, big bro.
 
The irony is that your including that first quote from Sudacafan is actually evidence that you don't read very well.

Like, honestly, before then I just assumed you wanted to troll me because you're bitter about having been schooled on numerous occasions. I didn't actually think you were a poor reader. But now there is some reason to believe that your reading skills really are subpar.

Hell of a job, mate. Schooled again! Keep being bitter, big bro.
You just have to admit that you were wrong. It is as simple as that. No one is going to profit from it, that is a tennis discussion.

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daggerman

Hall of Fame
You just have to admit that you were wrong. It is as simple as that. No one is going to profit from it, that is a tennis discussion.

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I already admitted I was wrong in my last post. I said I didn't actually think you were a poor reader, and I was wrong about that.
 

daggerman

Hall of Fame
So, all those posts talking about FAA potential that I quoted as a proof of your inadequacy do not exist?

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Yes, some people other than myself are bullish on Felix (including Toni, apparently), but most on this forum aren't.
Trust me, it doesn't bring me much pleasure to point out your reading struggles, but if you continue to play pedantry olympics, I will keep schooling you.
 
Trust me, it doesn't bring me much pleasure to point out your reading struggles, but if you continue to play pedantry olympics, I will keep schooling you.
Did you mistake this thread for the entire forum, and if not why are you even bringing in the entire forum into this?

You were talking about this thread, and in this thread there is plenty of evidence that you don't read what is being said, as you completely missed all those people with their opinions on FAA.

Do you really believe that just because you keep repeating "schooling" someone will actually think that, considering the provided evidence?

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daggerman

Hall of Fame
Do you really believe that just because you keep repeating "schooling" someone will actually think that

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Nope, but if I'm repeating that I'm "schooling" somebody, it's probably because I am. Then again, if the student never learns, then it's a failing of the teacher.

In any event, let's hope Toni can be more successful with Felix than I've been with you! To prove us both right ;)
 
Nope, but if I'm repeating that I'm "schooling" somebody, it's probably because I am.
But that is your opinion, and hardly anything to go by.

For example, I am curious, where is the evidence that the predominant opinion on FAA here is what you suggest?

You haven't provided it, so far.

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daggerman

Hall of Fame
But that is your opinion, and hardly anything to go by.

For example, I am curious, where is the evidence that the predominant opinion on FAA here is what you suggest?

You haven't provided it, so far.

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Ask an adult to read this thread out loud to you. Then you'll have the evidence.
 
The relevant evidence is already available to people who can read, big bro.
I presented my evidence, despite of people also being able to read it on their own, where is yours?

You claim that they can read it, but that might as well not be the case, as it doesn't exist in the way you claim it does (i.e. being a prevalent opinion on the matter in a way that supports your impression from the discussion).

You come short with your argument and your pompous talk looks more and more comical by the minute.

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daggerman

Hall of Fame
I presented my evidence, despite of people also being able to read it on their own, where is yours?

You claim that they can read it, but that might as well not be the case, as it doesn't exist in the way you claim it does (i.e. being a prevalent opinion on the matter in a way that supports your impression from the discussion).

You come short with your argument and your pompous talk looks more and more comical by the minute.

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I'm off the clock now, big bro. Find somebody else to school you.
 

daggerman

Hall of Fame
I just prepared some popcorn to watch how you will be schooling @Tennis_Hands and you are already backpedaling and running away?
that was fast
by the way, I'm not sure that you schooled @Tennis_Hands it's rather quite the opposite
Not sure how it can be the opposite when he hasn't demonstrated he's properly read the thread.

Unlike Tennis_Hands, I respect your contributions to this forum, but I don't agree with your position here. But if that's how you feel, so be it! That's no problem.
 
I just prepared some popcorn to watch how you will be schooling @Tennis_Hands and you are already backpedaling and running away?
that was fast
by the way, I'm not sure that you schooled @Tennis_Hands it's rather quite the opposite
All I said is that plenty of people actually said in the thread that FAA has a promising future, and was surprised at the effort to just "change" their opinions in the exact opposite. It is surprising that in this day and age even plain obvious things that can be checked with several clicks of the mouse and scrolls can be simply twisted out of shape, and for what? So that someone can portray himself as the know-it-all? What is that supposed to bring?

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daggerman

Hall of Fame
All I said is that plenty of people actually said in the thread that FAA has a promising future, and was surprised at the effort to just "change" their opinions in the exact opposite. It is surprising that in this day and age even plain obvious things that can be checked with several clicks of the mouse and scrolls can be simply twisted out of shape, and for what? So that someone can portray himself as the know-it-all? What is that supposed to bring?

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Definitely not a know-it-all. I'd consider my tennis knowledge average or slightly below-average, and I'm here to learn from people who know way more than me. But I'm kilometers ahead of you, big bro.

Anyway, I'm guessing you're still here only because I haven't yet awarded you with your Pedantry Olympic Gold Medal. Shame on me for forgetting.

Here it is:



Feel free to show your mum, add it to your signature, etc. You've earned it.
 
Definitely not a know-it-all. I'd consider my tennis knowledge average or slightly below-average, and I'm here to learn from people who know way more than me. But I'm kilometers ahead of you, big bro.

Anyway, I'm guessing you're still here only because I haven't yet awarded you with your Pedantry Olympic Gold Medal. Shame on me for forgetting.

Here it is:



Feel free to show your mum, add it to your signature, etc. You've earned it.
Your sarcasm is at about the level of your argument of this thread.

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RelentlessAttack

Hall of Fame
Felix is extremely talented, but has been a mental midget. Hopefully Toni can help him with the mental aspect of big match play, dealing with the grind and pressure of the tour, and tactics. If Felix was mentally strong, he would be the highest ranked NextGen right now. The others all have at least one significant technical or athletic weakness
 

octobrina10

Talk Tennis Guru
The RNA is his life goal and has been ever since he started (he is a tennis coach after all, being a director of such an "academy" is all he could ever dreamed of happening to him outside of his direct coaching of an ATG), so it is not unreasonable to think that he will do everything in his power to make it as successful as it can be. There is no argument suggesting that he is done with being successful, just because he coached Nadal once upon a time. The promotion of the FAA is a logical step in that direction. BTW, there is nothing "cynical" about that POW, FAA is small potatoes compared to RNA, and tennis coaches change the players they work with all the time.

How much RNA earns is up for a debate, but, just like any business, they are probably also experiencing difficulties, despite of being constituted as a luxury brand, which in general as a group has been less affected than the less prominent brands.

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The RNA is not Toni Nadal's 'life goal'. The RNA project was initiated by Rafa and his father, who is a successful businessman and has a lot of experience in the sports management field - he was his brother's, pro footballer Miguel Angel Nadal, agent.
Rafa says in his autobiography ("Rafa: My Story", 2010) that his father is the principal driving force in his life.
 
The RNA is not Toni Nadal's 'life goal'. The RNA project was initiated by Rafa and his father, who is a successful businessman and has a lot of experience in the sports management field - he was his brother's, pro footballer Miguel Angel Nadal, agent.
Rafa says in his autobiography ("Rafa: My Story", 2010) that his father is the principal driving force in his life.
Do you know what Toni Nadal's profession is, and can you tell me what is the highest position within that profession?

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tlsmikey

Rookie
Might be in the minority, but I think this might actually be a decent fit. FAA has bucketloads of talent and skill, seems to be a very hard worker but when I watched his matches, he always seems to take unnecessary risks or go for the flashy shots at inopportune times. Unlike Kyrgios who is also really talented, FAA seems to genuinely want to get better. If Uncle Toni can bring some shot selection and strategy to his game I think it'll work out just fine. At least FAA is motivated.
 

RelentlessAttack

Hall of Fame
What Felix needs is Magnus Norman.

It’s interesting because Felix needs to prove himself as a player, but Toni also needs to prove himself as a coach away from the most physically gifted athlete in a generation
 

RelentlessAttack

Hall of Fame
Interesting to read the thread and see so many people down on FAA. Before his mental implosion, he was showing that he was the only young player without a clear weakness in his game. Solid off both wings, fantastic movement, decent enough hands to have potential at the net, good flexibility, and unlike most of the NextGen, a decent ROS. Has the height to improve his serve. Sinner is pretty complete with room to improve at the net, but doesn’t have the same type of movement

Just couldn’t handle the pressure of the big tour and once he attracted media attention for his decent form that one summer he choked against Isner in miami, he started performing poorly. But the ability is still there if someone can figure out how to teach him to be a winner.
 

MadariKatu

Professional
Doubt they are mutually intelligible enough for normal conversation.
They are not. But given his age, the most common thing would be for Toni to have learned french at school instead of english. Still, they can probably communicate in english without much hassle.

It also helped that FAA himself came to Toni (he wasn't contacted by a fancy agent as usual). That's already a win in the eyes of Toni. Humble dedication.
Zverev did the same with Ferrer and Ferrer himself said he jumped on the train because he was approached personally by Sascha, I think 3 times.
OK. Now Tío Toni wants to travel again.
In the middle of a pandemic. He could have waited a little bit more.
Maybe he wants to travel now because of the pandemic and lockdowns.

edit: weird phrasing
 

Jason Swerve

Professional
There were some photos of Felix standing with Toni when FAA went to the Rafa Academy to train in December. But I never in a million years thought this would evolve into a coaching partnership. Toni's English is far from fluent (and he also doesn't speak French), and FAA speaks neither Spanish or Catalán. How are they going to communicate effectively.... seriously?
Coaching signals.
 
what is Toni nadal's strengths as a coach?

I don't think FAA needs a lot of technical work....his problems are all mental as he folds in big moments. what he needs most is someone who can get into his head and build up his confidence.
 

Lukhas

Legend
There were some photos of Felix standing with Toni when FAA went to the Rafa Academy to train in December. But I never in a million years thought this would evolve into a coaching partnership. Toni's English is far from fluent (and he also doesn't speak French), and FAA speaks neither Spanish or Catalán. How are they going to communicate effectively.... seriously?

I regard Toni as absolutely the GOAT coach, so he must see something in Felix many others don't see. Fixing Felix's mentality is going to be a tall order for Toni.
To be fair, Toni does speak good enough French to be needlessly interviewed during matches on French TV to explain why Rafa's not the favourite, Roger/Novak is (because rankings or something); all while his nephew was pulverising some dude on Chatrier a few rows below. Imagine getting interviewed mid-match in a foreign language because what was happening live on court wasn't even worth commenting.

Regardless, good luck to both of them.
 
Good move - uncle Toni's success as a coach is unbelievable. Not sure how this is going to work when FAA plays Rafa though. Will be odd for Rafa to see Uncle Toni in the opponents box and difficult for Toni to coach his player against his nephew.
 

D.Nalby12

G.O.A.T.
Can't believe this. I thought Toni has given up coaching - travelling with tour. But it seems there is something wrong between Rafael that made him to part ways. Anyway poor choice - FAA is overrated mug.
 

70sStrokes

New User
Might be in the minority, but I think this might actually be a decent fit. FAA has bucketloads of talent and skill, seems to be a very hard worker but when I watched his matches, he always seems to take unnecessary risks or go for the flashy shots at inopportune times. Unlike Kyrgios who is also really talented, FAA seems to genuinely want to get better. If Uncle Toni can bring some shot selection and strategy to his game I think it'll work out just fine. At least FAA is motivated.
I think it was the AO when FAA went though AK in the first two sets and then got tired and lost in 5. AK then went to the semifinals. Uncle Toni may think he can fix that.
 

Fedinkum

Legend
Why so much hate for FAA? He came across just about as neutral as spring water. Not exciting but not an a55hole either. Please enlighten me.
 
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