Toni Nadal: It will be my last season with Rafael Nadal on the tour

Rafa24

Hall of Fame
This is surprising if it is true. Given that Rafa has I would say 2 years tops in his career, I would have expected Toni to stand by Rafa til his last swing of the racket.
Agree. His style and not having an amazing serve like Roger isn't going to let him be competitive into his mid 30s as Roger is. He needed another voice 3-4 years ago.

Also why did he not stick with his faster serve that he did when he won his first US open? He changed his grip and was clicking 130mph occasionally. It's the only time I've seen him serve big the entire tournament and it paid off well.

Toni stepping aside, him testing a head racquet in practice it seems he wants to try new things.
 

Rafa24

Hall of Fame
Theres something new every week with Rafa (bananas etc etc). Has there ever been a time he was not trying to recover from something in his whole career?

He is prone to injuries. Does Del Potro fake his injuries? Im not sure why you think someone would fake injuries and miss entire tournaments. He didn't defend his first wimbledon title due to injury. Was getting his appendix removed fake too? Pulling out of the french where he has won 9 titles and only lost 2 matches ever was faking? LOL.

Did Roger fake an injury before the 5th set of the semifinal and final to try and rest and change the momentum? Yes.
 

Shaolin

G.O.A.T.
He is prone to injuries. Does Del Potro fake his injuries? Im not sure why you think someone would fake injuries and miss entire tournaments. He didn't defend his first wimbledon title due to injury. Was getting his appendix removed fake too? Pulling out of the french where he has won 9 titles and only lost 2 matches ever was faking? LOL.

Did Roger fake an injury before the 5th set of the semifinal and final to try and rest and change the momentum? Yes.

I'd love to see a list of Nadal's ''injuries'' compared to Del Potro's. Yeah i'm sure a few are legit but he's like the boy that cried wolf.

Also, pretty sad you have to attack Federer out of the blue for no reason. Just shows how oversensitive you Rafa fanatics are.
 

NGM

Hall of Fame
He is prone to injuries. Does Del Potro fake his injuries? Im not sure why you think someone would fake injuries and miss entire tournaments. He didn't defend his first wimbledon title due to injury. Was getting his appendix removed fake too? Pulling out of the french where he has won 9 titles and only lost 2 matches ever was faking? LOL.

Did Roger fake an injury before the 5th set of the semifinal and final to try and rest and change the momentum? Yes.

In regard to your mention of 2009 Wimbledon, I think Nadal withdraws was the hybrid of light injuries with fear of losing. Maybe Nadal was not 100% fit to aim to the title but more than that his confidence was on a low and he was afraid that he could get a beatdown on a surface he doesn't feel comfortable. Nadal is a player who need confidence to play well and if he lost confidence he rather withdraws from tournaments to get back to training course.

That's why I have full respect to Federer. That guy is willing to get a beatdown because he never back down. He is always there to challenge whatever how bad his form is.
 

Big_Dangerous

Talk Tennis Guru
Your statistics is misleading.

Wait, I actually have something for this:

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Fedfan34

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After 11 years without any change in his team, it´s revolution time for Rafael Nadal. The Spaniard player, who added Carlos Moya in his team two months ago, won´t work with his uncle Toni anymore. It was Toni himself to reveal it in an exclusive interview to Il Tennis Italiano. ´By next year I won´t follow Rafael on the Tour anymore, but I will work only in our academy. I want to take care of the formation of young talents, which is the most important moment in a tennis player´s growth. The relationship with my nephew has always been good, over all these years we never had any to argue about. But until he was 17 I decided everything, then the agent Carlos Costa came, his father got closer and everybody had his own opinion. And the truth is that every year I decide even less, until the point that I won´t decide anything anymore! I travelled with Rafa for many years, now I want to deal with the training of the young people and our academy is the ideal place.´

Toni also added that Francisco Roig andMoya should remain in his team, 'unless Rafa will add some other.'

Interviewed by L'Equipe to Toni spoke about the Australian Open final lost to Roger Federer 6/3 in the fifth set. Toni was aware it wouldn't have been an easy match since the beginning of the tournament.'When I watched his matches against Berdych, Nishikori, and Wawrinka, I told myself countering him would be very complicated. And really, he went at us very quickly and resisting his game was difficult. It's also true that his backhand was incredible at the end of the tournament. I see two reasons for that. Fist of all, Federer experienced a very inspiring week: he missed a lot less than normal, and he stuck firmly to his decision to hit the ball flatter. And then, I don't know if the surface was as fast as many have said, but playing at night favoured Federer, because the ball doesn't bounce as high and it was easier for him to anticipate. Extreme top spin just wasn't possible. But in any case, on the whole, his level was very high.'

And what about Rafael Nadal's level? 'Rafael recovered his game. He had a good tournament, he had a good attitude, and played matches that were not bad against Dimitrov, Monfils and Raonic. I think really Rafael was very close to his top level, both mentally and game-wise.'

Was it the best Nadal we've seen in the last three seasons? 'It doesn't seem so simple to me. Don't forget, Rafael went into Roland Garros last year feeling excellent. There was just this little niggle [left wrist] that was bothering us, and which forced us to withdraw after two rounds and then ruined the end of the season.'

How does he explain that he's rediscovered his best tennis at the beginning of this season? 'For the first time in a very, very long while, Rafael has no physical worries to manage. As soon as we started preparing for the 2017 season, in November in Manacor, his feelings hitting were very good. Peace of mind counts for so much!

Toni added: 'Rafael has been stressed for several years because of his physical problems. At some point, you can't deliver with everything you have on the court, you can't have the ideal attitude in training, you lose self-confidence too much. When your shots depend on the state of your hand, your knee, your foot, at some point having to manage all those pains tires you out. They sap your strength. It's the head above all. It determines everything, it allows you to develop your game. If it's not ticking properly up there, everything becomes very difficult. And suddenly, as soon as Rafael could play without pain, he quickly recovered a good level. And what's more, we were reinforced by the addition of Carlos Moya, who also was a real plus.'

LINK: http://www.**************.org/news/...ill-be-my-last-season-with-rafa-on-the-tour-/

Discuss.
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cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
This one caught me by surprise.

Wonder what led him to decide to retire after this year.

He stated why he decided that, i.e. he feels he doesn't have the same control as Moya and Nadal's dad have stepped in and voiced their opinions more. Toni also said he wants to work at Nadal's academy with the youth more. What more can Toni really do for Nadal at this point? Toni has made his mark and is one of the most successful and constant coaches of an all time great but in the latter part of Nadal's career it's probably time for different voices. Nadal has to make some changes if he wants to stay relevant.

The truth is Nadal is a big boy now and HE probably wanted to make these changes but his publicity team doesn't want to phrase it that way and make it seem like there is discord or that Nadal is the bad guy so they make it seem like it's all Toni's decision and nothing to do with Rafa. I don't really buy that.
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
You don't realize that Rafa wasn't supposed to reach the 2017 AO final due to his long-standing left wrist injury last year (since spring).

Cut the crap. These guys don't play the game to lose slam finals especially slam finals to players five years older and players they have had a mental edge over in the past! Nadal was pi$$ed after that loss to Federer. Maybe that lit the final spark for him to get rid of Toni and start to listen to other voices.
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
Or maybe Moya suggested certain things that got overruled by Don Toni.

Rafa is the boss of his team. They want to make it seem otherwise out of respect for Toni but it's crazy to believe that Rafa at age 30 with 14 slams isn't in full control just like it's crazy when some fans claim Djokovic isn't in full control of his team and somebody like Pepe is. It's stupidity.
 

Drlexus

Banned
Nothing strange when Nadal fans are preaching "Fed is Nadal's bunny". Its their logic that failed miserably.
He is nadals bunny on all but tje lowest bouncing courts. Guess what..
The ao was as low as it gsts as it was playing like an indoor court according to all who played on it.
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
It does seem that way for federer fans...we are seeing a decade of hurt pouring all ober the forum. Loads of years old threads being bumped. I cant believe federer fans have had such a miserable decade to be honest

Yes, most Federer fans are miserable given that Federer is the slam leader and weeks @ #1 leader! :rolleyes: It's the other players who have to catch up to Federer, not the other way around.
 

NGM

Hall of Fame
It does seem that way for federer fans...we are seeing a decade of hurt pouring all ober the forum. Loads of years old threads being bumped. I cant believe federer fans have had such a miserable decade to be honest

You wont believe how miserable it will be for you in the next decade, too.
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
He is nadals bunny on all but tje lowest bouncing courts. Guess what..
The ao was as low as it gsts as it was playing like an indoor court according to all who played on it.

No it wasn't as low as an indoor bouncing court. No tennis expert said that. The courts were slightly quicker and the balls were less fluffy and flew through the air faster. Those conditions helped Federer but Federer's backhand and the fact that he didn't fold mentally vs Nadal also made the difference in that final.
 

mtommer

Hall of Fame
HWho could have been pushing him away from this role other than Rafa? Maybe his nephew has finally decided to grow a pair and make some decisions for himself and seek advice elsewhere.
Maybe. It could also just be that as Nadal's relationship has grown closer to other people, he isn't seeking advice from Toni so much, and the advice he is given Toni agrees with and thus doesn't feel the need to step in, and knowing that Nadal has good guidance, Toni feels he's no longer needed on the team and simply wants to be a mentor moreso than a tag along. This doesn't mean any inherent disrespect from Nadal and Nadal is probably very supportive of Toni moving on to other ventures. Good, good, all around.
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
Did Roger fake an injury before the 5th set of the semifinal and final to try and rest and change the momentum? Yes.

Has Rafa done this habitually throughout his ENTIRE career, usually in slams? How about the crap he pulled against Del Po at Wimbledon?
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Kalin

Legend
He is nadals bunny on all but tje lowest bouncing courts. Guess what..
The ao was as low as it gsts as it was playing like an indoor court according to all who played on it.

Uncle Toni says it exactly how it was in the interview; it's right there, just read it. No 'indoor court lowest bounce' fantasy.

As for Rafa and Toni; I guess we'll never know exactly how the relationship was with regards to who was the boss etc. It hardly matters, it was very successful nevertheless. I very much doubt the two will have a fallout; Toni will simply withdraw a bit. It sounds dramatic just because the two have been together all this time.
 

Rafa24

Hall of Fame
In regard to your mention of 2009 Wimbledon, I think Nadal withdraws was the hybrid of light injuries with fear of losing. Maybe Nadal was not 100% fit to aim to the title but more than that his confidence was on a low and he was afraid that he could get a beatdown on a surface he doesn't feel comfortable. Nadal is a player who need confidence to play well and if he lost confidence he rather withdraws from tournaments to get back to training course.

That's why I have full respect to Federer. That guy is willing to get a beatdown because he never back down. He is always there to challenge whatever how bad his form is.

So he didn't play in 2009 Wimbledon because he was afraid he was going to lose? lol. Finalist in 06, 07 and champion in 2008 and he withdrew in 2009 because he was afraid he would lose......


edit-and lets not forget champion in 2010 as well. finalist in 06,07, champ 08, 09 did not play, 2010 champion and 2011 finalist. so he made 5 straight wimby finals when he showed up to play but right in the middle of all those he faked an injury because he thought he would lose. haha
 

Rafa24

Hall of Fame
Has Rafa done this habitually throughout his ENTIRE career, usually in slams? How about the crap he pulled against Del Po at Wimbledon?
the crap he pulled? he played with a hairline fracture that he got in his foot in that match and still made it to the final. his entire career? LOL. you've got to be kidding.
 

Rafa24

Hall of Fame
I'd love to see a list of Nadal's ''injuries'' compared to Del Potro's. Yeah i'm sure a few are legit but he's like the boy that cried wolf.

Also, pretty sad you have to attack Federer out of the blue for no reason. Just shows how oversensitive you Rafa fanatics are.
How about fed crying in the 5th set down a break to the chair ump to call a time violation on Rafa because he saw it slipping away? Johnny Mac even said "come on don't try and win it like that" and then Federer hit a great winner and he said "win it like that". Roger faked 2 injury time outs after losing the 4th set in the semis and the finals.


I just find it comical that you fed fans think Rafa fakes injuries to miss tournaments or fake a wrist injury to pull out of a slam he has won 9 times when he was playing great tennis.


Did he get PRP in his knees because he was faking knee problems? Was his appendicitis surgery fake? His back in the AO final in warm ups going out fake? He was so scared he was going to lose to a player he was 15-0 against going into the match he faked a back injury.:rolleyes:

Some athletes are injury prone. And the wear and tear he puts on his body from his style of play and playing every single point like it's his last takes its toll.
 

octobrina10

Talk Tennis Guru
In regard to your mention of 2009 Wimbledon, I think Nadal withdraws was the hybrid of light injuries with fear of losing. Maybe Nadal was not 100% fit to aim to the title but more than that his confidence was on a low and he was afraid that he could get a beatdown on a surface he doesn't feel comfortable. Nadal is a player who need confidence to play well and if he lost confidence he rather withdraws from tournaments to get back to training course.

That's why I have full respect to Federer. That guy is willing to get a beatdown because he never back down. He is always there to challenge whatever how bad his form is.

You know too little about your hero Fed. In 2009, Fed withdrew from Davis Cup, Dubai, Halle, Tokyo, Shanghai.
 
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Deleted member 688153

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He is nadals bunny on all but tje lowest bouncing courts. Guess what..
The ao was as low as it gsts as it was playing like an indoor court according to all who played on it.
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octobrina10

Talk Tennis Guru
Yes, most Federer fans are miserable given that Federer is the slam leader and weeks @ #1 leader! :rolleyes: It's the other players who have to catch up to Federer, not the other way around.

They are misarable. They have constructed a zillion fake stories about Rafa and these stories keep coming.
 
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Deleted member 716271

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Whats the point of him staying until the end of the year then?
 

vernonbc

Legend
My god, what a hullabaloo over a casual comment Toni made at a coaching symposium in Hungary. Some Italian reporter asked him an innocent question and a bad google translation has blown up into something entirely different from what he said.

He simply said he wasn't going to be traveling with Rafa after this year. Tony will still get plenty of coaching in when Rafa's back at the Academy I'm sure. Tony for years and years in his interviews has mentioned how much he doesn't like the traveling and he's been cutting back more and more thru the years.

He said nothing about being cut out of team decisions, he just said the situation has changed. When Rafa was 17 and needed lots of guidance, Toni made all the tennis decisions. As Rafa has grown up and matured into a man, he's able to make those decisions himself and now runs his team the way he wants to.

Toni's also mentioned in earlier Spanish interviews that he really would like to spend more time coaching his own sons who are at the age Rafa was when he started having success in junior tournaments. They're going to be traveling to a lot of tournaments of their own and I'm sure their father wants to go with them.

Between some of the crazy google mangles of translations and blogs and papers wanting to make names for themselves by "breaking news", and of course the fact-free speculation that runs rampant on this site and others, there sure are some crazy conflicting stories out there based on an off-handed comment to a bunch of other coaches at a seminar. Toni is still also saying that if he stays healthy and keeps playing like he has been, he could have a very very good year.
 

AceSalvo

Legend
H2H proves that he is.

#18 proves that Fed is the greatest. Nadal can keep his fake bunny and abuse it, the only way he is going to be happy hereafter.

Nothing Don Toni can do now but maybe wash the toilets of Nadal's academy. So yeah. Good call.
 
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Drlexus

Banned
Yes, most Federer fans are miserable given that Federer is the slam leader and weeks @ #1 leader! :rolleyes: It's the other players who have to catch up to Federer, not the other way around.
Agreed but have you seen the posts and threads on here. All about nadal grom federer fans tryin to make out ao 2017 was most important match of all time. It comes across as an inferiority complex to nadal. When nadal won his last major i dont recall any mention of federer. Similarly when djokovic won the fo.
 

Drlexus

Banned
You wont believe how miserable it will be for you in the next decade, too.
Why? Nadal has overachieved so if he never won aniher match in his career no big deal.

Records get broken. Zverev may win 20 majors or more given the utter lack of competition for him from his generation
 

Enigma_87

Professional
People do not realize that for such players reaching a final is not a good result. It's winning or losing, nothing more. Don't remember any Djokovic fans being happy about him reaching USO or WTF finals, because he lost them.
Bollocks. It's easy to say that for Djokovic who is in his prime. But for Nadal? How many GS finals did he reach since the 2014 FO?
 
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