Toni Nadal : Rafael Nadal will definitely win 19 slams thanks to Roland Garros

Checkmate

Legend
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It only got complicated at the end due to nerves while trying to win the match, but the result was clear. This is unbelievable, to win here for the third time. It’s unbelievablebecause since 2014, he has had problems with his body and so his mind.


To win again is very, very special. It's my last season with Rafael and there isn't any better way to end it like this.' Roger Federer has now three Grand Slam titles more than Nadal. Can the Mallorcan equal him? 'We will get there.

I think it will happen. It's difficult, but there is some more Roland Garros and I am confident other titles will come.'

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octogon

Hall of Fame
Tio Toni is the man with the plan.

The Nadals are not playing for second place in "the history,no"

I almost feel for Fed, because his age means he's almost out of time to make his record safe. Health permitting, Nadal has a few more years of slam winning on the clock.
 

max

Legend
It's quite possible. At this point, macht's nicht. Good for him and good for Federer. The great problem for the both will be youths in another 10 years claiming it's a "weak era."
 

Waspsting

Hall of Fame
Nothing's "definite" - this could have been Nadal's last Slam title (worst case scenario for him) or he might have 5-6 more in him (best case scenario, highly unlikely)

Reality will probably be something in between

I find myself thinking it'll be closer to worse case scenario...3 more is a big ask and Federer might win more too

That said -

I remember when they said he'd match Borg's mark at the French. I laughed:D

I remember when they said he'd win 10 Frenches. I laughed:D

This year, Kuerten said Nadal could win 15 Frenches:eek::eek:.

I didn't laugh
 
Nadal's win in NY was the perfect way for... Tio to go out of the game.

Supreme fun.

Other than that, all the Nadal rethoric about being declining because of style, physical ailments, retiring at 31 (Tio's words) etc. was to continue to control his nephew and keep his motivation high.

Got to laugh knowing that Nadal would not have been able to achieve what he has achieved without being lied from his coach.

Let's see how the things develop.

:cool:
 
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EdSWright

Professional
Nothing's "definite" - this could have been Nadal's last Slam title (worst case scenario for him) or he might have 5-6 more in him (best case scenario, highly unlikely)

Reality will probably be something in between

I find myself thinking it'll be closer to worse case scenario...3 more is a big ask and Federer might win more too

That said -

I remember when they said he'd match Borg's mark at the French. I laughed:D

I remember when they said he'd win 10 Frenches. I laughed:D

This year, Kuerten said Nadal could win 15 Frenches:eek::eek:.

I didn't laugh
And Lance said he'd win 7...

I mean, either he's a genetically advanced mutation, or he has some other advantage over other pros who also practice 5 hours a day. He runs more than anyone else and never gets tired.
 

borg25

New User
http://www.**************.org/imgb/48467/toni-nadal-they-were-saying-rafa-was-finished-and-instead-.jpg

It only got complicated at the end due to nerves while trying to win the match, but the result was clear. This is unbelievable, to win here for the third time. It’s unbelievablebecause since 2014, he has had problems with his body and so his mind.


To win again is very, very special. It's my last season with Rafael and there isn't any better way to end it like this.' Roger Federer has now three Grand Slam titles more than Nadal. Can the Mallorcan equal him? 'We will get there.

I think it will happen. It's difficult, because there is some more Roland Garros and I am confident other titles will come.'

http://www.**************.org/tenni...-will-equal-roger-federer-s-19-major-titles-/


Toni, talk to me when you are a real coach, you never even played College level tennis, never close to Challenger level. LOL.

Toni is more about moral support, don't ever call him a tennis coach. He hit the lottery having Nadal as a nephew.
What a BS'er.

Nadal will win 2 more more FO? I seriously doubt it. The moonballer will run into a decent clay courter
who can handle his moonballing.
 

BGod

G.O.A.T.
Nadal getting a clean sweep at the French this year really clouded things for people. I don't think he'll win more than 1. 2 more years of development for Zverev and Thiem should be enough especially if he got both guys in his draw.

The hard path would be something like Novak in quarters, Zverev in semi and Thiem in final I wouldn't bet on Nadal in that case.
 

Alba Barragan

Professional
Must have gotten lost in translation, even if he believes in Rafa getting 19 which wouldn't be too unrealistic at this point, he would never say it

He did say it. His exact words were:

"Vamos a llegar a los 19 Grand Slams de Federer. Confío en ganar algún Roland Garros más y algún otro caerá".

Which translates as:

"We'll reach Federer's 19 Grand Slams (titles). I'm confident in winning another Roland Garros and others will fall (in Spanish this could also mean 'others will come', but it's open to different interpretations)"
 

Shaolin

Talk Tennis Guru
Nice plan. Add more clay to the mountain, forget about ever winning a WTF.

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octogon

Hall of Fame
Piling on even more RG titles will only reinforce his claim to CGOAT…not overall GOAT.

Not really. This US Open win killed that argument forever. 6 non-clay slams is all-time great level (Becker, Edberg). If he wins nothing but RG from now, it won't hurt his overall GOAT candidacy, because he has an all-time greats level of non-clay slams. But I expect he'll win Australia or US again at least once.
 

Shaolin

Talk Tennis Guru
Not really. This US Open win killed that argument forever. 6 non-clay slams is all-time great level (Becker, Edberg). If he wins nothing but RG from now, it won't hurt his overall GOAT candidacy, because he has an all-time greats level of non-clay slams. But I expect he'll win Australia or US again at least once.

Not really. The fact that Rafa is completely helpless indoor kills his chance at GOAT. No one can be considered overall GOAT when you are that bad on one surface.

Shoveling on more and more clay can't hide it.
 

octogon

Hall of Fame
Not really. The fact that Rafa is completely helpless indoor kills his chance at GOAT. No one can be considered overall GOAT when you are that bad on one surface.

Shoveling on more and more clay can't hide it.

Nadal has won indoor titles (including one Masters 1000 Indoors on a hardcourt. The Madrid Open was indoor hardcourt when Nadal won it in 2005), and made 2 WTF finals. Hardly "helpless". Others are better indoors, but he's capable enough.

You can't take away the Masters 1000 indoor hardcourt title away from him, nor his strong showings by making WTF finals. And indoors isn't a "surface". It's a condition.
 

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
Not really. This US Open win killed that argument forever. 6 non-clay slams is all-time great level (Becker, Edberg). If he wins nothing but RG from now, it won't hurt his overall GOAT candidacy, because he has an all-time greats level of non-clay slams. But I expect he'll win Australia or US again at least once.

No one with a straight face can call him a GOAT when Fed is comfortably ahead than him at 4 of the 5 big events in tennis.

He can win 25 RG . It doesn't make any difference
 

octogon

Hall of Fame
No one with a straight face can call him a GOAT when Fed is comfortably ahead than him at 4 of the 5 big events in tennis.

He can win 25 RG . It doesn't make any difference

If it makes you sleep better at night to keep telling yourself that, knock yourself out.

In the real world, it's not going to work like that unfortunately. People will be calling Nadal GOAT from when he gets within 1 or 2 of Federer, never mind tying or passing him.
 

TennisATP

Professional
Nadal has won indoor titles (including one Masters 1000 Indoors on a hardcourt. The Madrid Open was indoor hardcourt when Nadal won it in 2005), and made 2 WTF finals. Hardly "helpless". Others are better indoors, but he's capable enough.

You can't take away the Masters 1000 indoor hardcourt title away from him, nor his strong showings by making WTF finals. And indoors isn't a "surface". It's a condition.

Indoor is not only a condition it's an unnatural condition that goes against the essence of our sport and our planet. Rafa has the most outdoor (natural) titles in history, even surpassing Federer.
 

ChaelAZ

G.O.A.T.
Toni, talk to me when you are a real coach, you never even played College level tennis, never close to Challenger level. LOL.

Yeah, because all players make the best coaches. :rolleyes:

Toni did an excellent job managing and coaching Nadal. I believe there is more than enough evidence in Nadal's career to easily refute your triggered emotional response there. T
he LOL at the end was a good bailout attempt though.
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
Toni is hardly a disinterested observer, so his predictions for his nephew are influenced by what he wants to happen. I remember when Edberg was coaching Federer he said he thought he could "quite easily make it to 20 or more majors." That was when Roger had 17. Nadal won no majors for three years and did fabulously well to get two this year. But it's just as likely he wins no more majors than several more based on age and his past performance. This year was an anomaly for Rafa (and for Fed).
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
Piling on even more RG titles will only reinforce his claim to CGOAT…not overall GOAT.

But what if Nadal can win more non-clay slams to get to 19 assuming Federer doesn't win more slams?

Nobody knows what will happen. We'll just have to wait and see how it all plays out until both are retired.
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
If it makes you sleep better at night to keep telling yourself that, knock yourself out.

In the real world, it's not going to work like that unfortunately. People will be calling Nadal GOAT from when he gets within 1 or 2 of Federer, never mind tying or passing him.

Nope. Nadal has to at least equal Federer by winning a couple more non-clay slams. Federer has the better slam diversity and he has 158 more weeks @ #1. No real tennis analysts will call Nadal the GOAT unless he can get to at least 19(assuming Federer stays at 19. ) But most people will need Nadal to surpass Fed's slam count for Nadal to seal the deal.
 

TennisATP

Professional
Nope. Nadal has to at least equal Federer by winning a couple more non-clay slams. Federer has the better slam diversity and he has 158 more weeks @ #1. No real tennis analysts will call Nadal the GOAT unless he can get to at least 19(assuming Federer stays at 19. ) But most people will need Nadal to surpass Fed's slam count for Nadal to seal the deal.

For the 100th time, it's Federer who needs to win more clay slams then Nadal needs to win more non-clay slams.
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
Toni is hardly a disinterested observer, so his predictions for his nephew are influenced by what he wants to happen. I remember when Edberg was coaching Federer he said he thought he could "quite easily make it to 20 or more majors." That was when Roger had 17. Nadal won no majors for three years and did fabulously well to get two this year. But it's just as likely he wins no more majors than several more based on age and his past performance. This year was an anomaly for Rafa (and for Fed).

Do you honestly believe that Nadal won't win any more majors, not even another FO, given his fitness level and his desire to chase the slam count? Plus the fact that he's five years younger than Federer. What if the younger generations decide to remain useless at the slams for another year or more?
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
For the 100th time, it's Federer who needs to win more clay slams then Nadal needs to win more non-clay slams.

You can tell me another 100 times and it won't matter. Federer is currently the GOAT or the closest thing to it. He has the slam total, weeks @ #1 and a better slam diversity.

But unlike most stubborn Federer fans, I'm willing to reconsider things if Nadal can get to 19 and win more non-clay slams in the process.
 

octobrina10

Talk Tennis Guru
And Lance said he'd win 7...

I mean, either he's a genetically advanced mutation, or he has some other advantage over other pros who also practice 5 hours a day. He runs more than anyone else and never gets tired.

Your comment reminded me that Lance bought services from a Swiss company..
 

BlueClayGOAT

Semi-Pro
Indoor is not only a condition it's an unnatural condition that goes against the essence of our sport and our planet. Rafa has the most outdoor (natural) titles in history, even surpassing Federer.

Cincy = Real Slam.
USO/AO = Unnatural Slam.

Soon, Wimbledon will be the Obsolete Slam since grass is dying out on the tour anyway.
There's a proposal to make Rome and Madrid 'mini-Slams' 2019 onwards, like IW and Miami are.
Shortly afterward, Rome and Madrid will be proper slams.

Then Rafa can add those titles to his slam tally and be undisputed GOAT. :p
I don't think Rafa will care at all about any of this, but a lot of his fans on TTW will be ecstatic.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Few years ago, Nadal's target was to win 17 slams to catch Roger. Today, the target is 19. In a few more years, the target could be at 21.
 

octobrina10

Talk Tennis Guru
Toni, talk to me when you are a real coach, you never even played College level tennis, never close to Challenger level. LOL.

Toni is more about moral support, don't ever call him a tennis coach. He hit the lottery having Nadal as a nephew.
What a BS'er.

Nadal will win 2 more more FO? I seriously doubt it. The moonballer will run into a decent clay courter
who can handle his moonballing.

If I may ask, where did Richard Williams, the father of the Williams sisters, play tennis?
 

TennisATP

Professional
You can tell me another 100 times and it won't matter. Federer is currently the GOAT or the closest thing to it. He has the slam total, weeks @ #1 and a better slam diversity.

But unlike most stubborn Federer fans, I'm willing to reconsider things if Nadal can get to 19 and win more non-clay slams in the process.

Federer doesn't have a better slam/surface diversity. Sorry!
 

Shaolin

Talk Tennis Guru
Nadal has won indoor titles (including one Masters 1000 Indoors on a hardcourt. The Madrid Open was indoor hardcourt when Nadal won it in 2005), and made 2 WTF finals. Hardly "helpless". Others are better indoors, but he's capable enough.

You can't take away the Masters 1000 indoor hardcourt title away from him, nor his strong showings by making WTF finals. And indoors isn't a "surface". It's a condition.

He's had a couple of decent results indoor but they fit a rank and file top 10 guy like Berdych not an ATG and certainly not overall GOAT. In 10+ years on tour to have that few tournament wins indoor is actually pretty shocking tbh.

I'll grant you that indoors is a condition as you say not a surface, but its an important one and the WTF is the 5th most important tournament of the year.

As much as Nadal fans run and hide from it the WTF is a Grand Canyon sized hole in Rafa's resume and all the RG titles you stack up cant hide it.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Nice plan. Add more clay to the mountain, forget about ever winning a WTF.
Forget about the WTF then Nadal will never be equal to Federer if he's tie at the slam count. Not to mention he has half of the total weeks at #1. Nadal has other important metrics to catch Federer. Before the USO, many people had Nadal behind Sampras despite 15>14, because of the vast difference in WTF titles and the #1 ranking.
 

TearTheRoofOff

G.O.A.T.
I just can't believe that Nadal of all people is pretty much the only top player not suffering from fatigue or injury, especially given the amount he's played this year. If his surprising physical resiliency and endurance continues I don't see why he can't win multiple more slams.
 

BlueClayGOAT

Semi-Pro
Federer doesn't have a better slam/surface diversity. Sorry!

All of us are really embarrassing ourselves here.

Do all of you realize that this question of better slam spread is not a subjective opinion? There is a simple statistical measure called standard deviation to find out which spread of data is more uniform in distribution. A lower value of S.D. indicates a tighter distribution around the mean, while higher S.D. values indicate large variation in the data points.
This is basic high school math. Come on, people.

Fed's data set of 8,5,5,1 has a S.D. value of 2.487468.
Rafa's data set of 10,3,2,1 has a S.D. value of 3.5355.

Fed's slam wins spread is more uniform than Rafa's by a significant margin.

Next question.
 
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