octobrina10
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It sounds the Masters Cup, the ATP Finals' name between 1999 - 2009.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATP_Finals
Toni Nadal reflects on "painful" ATP Finals loss
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octobrina10
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Hmm. Toni has never got any money from Rafa.
"Rafa: My Story", 2010:
¤¤ Toni has never received any money from me or from anyone in the family for the lifelong attention he's dedicated to me, but he's been able to do it because he owns half of my father's business, and takes half the profits, without doing any of the work. It's been a fair exchange because I would never have had anything like the same hours of coaching from Toni if my father had not worked with such purpose all his life. ¤¤
octobrina10
Talk Tennis Guru
These expressions have been used in the Spanish media since the ATP Finals was called the Masters Cup (between 1999 - 2009)
I got that.
I was asking how does one translate "Useless exho" into Spanish.
Is it "Copa de Maestros" or is it spelled differently?
Born_to_slice
Legend
He needs to die because he said WTF is an important title?
Mainad
Bionic Poster
And right there we have an example of the difference between a mature Nadal fan like Toni and a crazed fanatic like that guy.
aldeayeah
G.O.A.T.
Toni is definitely a YEC fan, from way back.
From a blog post by Toni I linked to before (quick and dirty translation):
From Nastase to my last match with Rafael
The YEC is still the same tournament that made me fall in love with tennis as a child, and also the last one I attended as my nephew's coach
My earliest memory of this magnificent year-end tournament, which has the unbeatable selling point of gathering the eight best men's singles players, is from December 2, 1972. That day, me and my father saw on TV the finals of what was then called The Masters Grand Prix, which pitted Ilie Nastase against Stan Smith in Barcelona's Palau Blaugrana.
I was only 12 years old, but that one match struck me so powerfully that not only did it make me an inmense fan of the Romanian champion (who won that one time), but also ignited in me a passion for tennis that has remained ever since. Thus, it could be said that this tournament was the start of my tennis journey, something I definitely couldn't foresee at the time. It was but a few months later that I started playing in the new Club de Tenis of my town, Manacor - the same place where years later I would first teach tennis to my 3-old nephew.
[...]
This week, yet again, I'll be enjoying the ATP finals from home, and I'm confident we'll see top level, high intensity matches between the world's best. And yet again, even though Rafael has never managed to rise this Masters Cup in victory before, I keep the faith that this year will be the one it finally happens, and so bookend my romance with this very special tournament.
octobrina10
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Nadal devotee, I see a contradiction here:
"takes half the profits, without doing any of the work. It's been a fair exchange"
this means that Toni receives money form a business where he doesn't work in order to take care for Rafa.
and as far as I know, father is part of the family, so this part of the statement sounds to me like a lie "Toni has never received any money from me or from anyone in the family for the lifelong attention he's dedicated to me"
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Either Toni invested in his brother's business or they both inherited an equal share which is why he is part owner and therefore entitled to share the profits. It was no doubt agreed that his brother would manage the business whilst Toni coached Rafa. That's what Rafa means when he said it was a fair exchange.
could be, but this phrase suggests that Rafa's father is doing some work, while Toni doesn't.
"takes half the profits, without doing any of the work. "
otherwise, if they simply own each a 50% share of the company as shareholders, without the need to do any work, why would someone mention "without doing any of the work."?
you could simply say, Toni lives from dividends which he receives as shareholder of a business.
the way how it is framed, sounds like "a fair exchange", Rafa's father takes care of the business, Toni takes care of Rafa, or in other words Toni gets paid by the family to take care of Rafa.
aldeayeah
G.O.A.T.
The implication is that Toni would be entitled to his half, whether he took care of Rafa or not, but would be expected to have a more active role in the managing of the family business (not just sit back and let the money roll in)
In the end, rather than money, it's Toni and Miguel trading each other's time and dedication, for each of them to do what's he best at.
octobrina10
Talk Tennis Guru
I replied to the words "he is just p!ssed at missing the english cash" that "Toni has never got any money from Rafa."
you can try and "package" it this way, but if Toni and Miguel are getting same money from the company, while Miguel works there and Toni takes care of Rafa, it means that he is being paid for taken care of Rafa.
could you as well answer how "useless exho" is translated into Spanish?
Tennis_Hands
Banned
Slowtwitcher
Legend
20>20>17
It's math.
It's math.
Slowtwitcher
Legend
It sure looks like tio Toni has a no-show job...
aldeayeah
G.O.A.T.
If he didn't take care of Rafa, would he still get the money? I think that's the crucial question.
If the answer is 'yes', then I wouldn't say he's being paid.
It's the difference between a gentleman's agreement and an employment contract. The end result may be the same, but the involved people don't see it that way.
no, question is: if he wouldn't take care of Rafa and wouldn't show up at the company, would he still get the same amount of money from being co-owner?
and the way that text is structured, my take is NO.
but we don't know the details.
octobrina10
Talk Tennis Guru
Rafa's father's name is Sebastian. Miguel Angel Nadal is Sebastian's brother.
Rafa didn't imply in his autobiography that Toni would be expected to have a more active role in the managing of the family business. He just described how his family's life has been organized. He says his father is the strategic brain of his team and created the conditions for Toni to dedicate himself to Rafa.
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Third Serve
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Pathetic
PeoplesChamp
Legend
Do you have a link for this? Great post btw.
PeoplesChamp
Legend
Worst poster on this site. No one else comes close. The cranberry sauce of TTW.
clout
Hall of Fame
Definitely a tough one for Rafa. He had the match on his racket and it would've taken a mammoth performance from Thiem to have to beat Rafa twice in the same week and to pull off beating Djokodal back-to-back. Had he held his serve at 5-4, he'd have as good of chance as ever to finally win this title.
TennisHockey
Rookie
Two words. Birth control.
TennisHockey
Rookie
Plenty of time
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
So serving for the match and being broken at love by a mediocre returner who has never defeated you isn't choking?
Nadalgaenger
G.O.A.T.
Not sure if you’re serious or trolling. Nadal is still a top 5 threat at any HC slam he plays.
He had a solid WTF. Just lost to a red-hot player.
So serving for the match and being broken at love by a mediocre returner who has never defeated you isn't choking?
Didn't you know that only Fed chokes?
Djokodal lose to an extremely stronk competition
TennisHockey
Rookie
Yes, Xisca.
And why would I tell her?...
because she can tell you how for a woman the biological clock makes tick tack.
a man can make a kid at pretty much any age, and there is little to no difference whether that is first kid or not.
in case of women it's a bit different.
and there is a difference between being pregnant with first kid or not the first kid after 40 for example.
age plays a role in the probability of having healthy kid, or a kid with some serious health issue.
now, if a women is pregnant for the first time, and makes a test which says that there is a serious health issue, abortion after certain age is almost not an option, even if the parents would decide otherwise.
there are many nuances to the topic.
which can be resumed to two words: tick tack.
P.S.
with age, getting pregnant is not so easy.
so, if they for example decide today that they want a kid, it might easily take 12 months till she gets pregnant.
and this time interval doesn't decrease with age, especially in combination with certain "birth control" mechanisms
tick tack
Slowtwitcher
Legend
PeoplesChamp
Legend
Nadal sleeping on the yacht instead of taking care of biz
oldmanfan
Legend
Incorrect.
1a. Federer - 20
1b. Nadal - 20
3. Djokovic - 17
ftfy.
Nadl doesn't get to be listed first for getting there 2nd.
Setting the record is greater than matching it.
Valid points.
Also, see a few lines above. And... the saying goes "In order to be the best, you have to beat the best." 6>>0 YECs, no?
MeatTornado
Talk Tennis Guru
First of all, how dare you
TennisHockey
Rookie
Three words. He does both.Nadal sleeping on the yacht instead of taking care of biz
TennisHockey
Rookie
Man, everything you just said is common sense.because she can tell you how for a woman the biological clock makes tick tack.
a man can make a kid at pretty much any age, and there is little to no difference whether that is first kid or not.
in case of women it's a bit different.
and there is a difference between being pregnant with first kid or not the first kid after 40 for example.
age plays a role in the probability of having healthy kid, or a kid with some serious health issue.
now, if a women is pregnant for the first time, and makes a test which says that there is a serious health issue, abortion after certain age is almost not an option, even if the parents would decide otherwise.
there are many nuances to the topic.
which can be resumed to two words: tick tack.
P.S.
with age, getting pregnant is not so easy.
so, if they for example decide today that they want a kid, it might easily take 12 months till she gets pregnant.
and this time interval doesn't decrease with age, especially in combination with certain "birth control" mechanisms
tick tack
But she's 32...there's plenty of time for her to have kids.
Two words for you: derp derp
aldeayeah
G.O.A.T.
Sure, but it's in Spanish
De Nastase a mi último partido con Rafael
El Masters es el mismo torneo que me enamoró del tenis en mi niñez y en el que acompañé a mi sobrino durante mi última semana siendo su entrenador
elpais.com
did my best to preserve the purple prose of the original
aldeayeah
G.O.A.T.
They played 3 matches before and 2 of them were close as hell.So serving for the match and being broken at love by a mediocre returner who has never defeated you isn't choking?
plus every year that passes rafa is further away from his prime
plus he didn't play particularly bad in that game, it was mostly med raising the level
octobrina10
Talk Tennis Guru
Toni is a great writer.It's kind of a stock phrase in Spanish tennis journalism since the tournament was called Masters Cup.
Masters Cup, and by extension WTF, is usually rendered as "Copa de Maestros"
And the Masters Cup Champion is sometimes referred to as "Maestro de Maestros", which is what Toni said in the original interview:
Por, ojalá, un horizonte apasionante
El panorama que se nos dibuja a los amantes del tenis es emocionante, o lo sería si pudiéramos ver, por fin, cómo la humanidad doblega definitivamente esta maldita pandemia
There are a bunch of Toni blog posts stretching back to 2017 (in Spanish) in El Pais, although you'll hit a paywall pretty fast if you intend to read them all:
Artículos escritos por Toni Nadal | EL PAÍS
Todos los artículos y noticias escritas por Toni Nadal y publicadas en EL PAÍS. Últimos artículos, noticias y columnas de opinión con EL PAÍS.
vive le beau jeu !
Talk Tennis Guru
game..set..match
Semi-Pro
its time for everyone to realize that nadal will never win this event....meaning he can never be the GOAT. this is not just some exhibition or a random atp event in a long calender season....no it is essentially the playoffs exclusive to the best 8 players on tour that earned it. The Finals.
all of the ATGs have won this event except him and that's embarrassing.
nadal is disqualified from GOAT discussion without this trophy.
all of the ATGs have won this event except him and that's embarrassing.
nadal is disqualified from GOAT discussion without this trophy.
exactly!! but nadal fanboys will never admit it. they know it, but will never admit it.
terribleIVAN
Hall of Fame
Can't hold his nerves when it really matters anymore.
It's alright if you guys are in denial.
Doesn't mean he can't win AO or USO anymore: he just needs Rublev or Tsitsipas to take out Thien, Medvedev, Zverev.
Don"t take my word; you'll see for yourself.
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