Toni Nadal sides with Sinner “I am against the sanction. I know Sinner personally and he had no intention of committing a crime"

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“I am against the sanction. I know Sinner personally and he had no intention of committing a crime and you cannot treat a person like that for a mistake that happened by chance. It cannot be that you have that desire to supervise and sanction.

One has to sanction those who intentionally do things wrong and seek personal benefit. I know that is not the case with Sinner. Why is he being sanctioned? It is true that they say that others who are not number 1 have been sanctioned… because they did wrong before.

I am surprised that different players have taken a stand against it, even some of the highest level and some who are not very clean.”
 
JustMy2Cents said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1894017607260418445
“I am against the sanction. I know Sinner personally and he had no intention of committing a crime and you cannot treat a person like that for a mistake that happened by chance. It cannot be that you have that desire to supervise and sanction.

One has to sanction those who intentionally do things wrong and seek personal benefit. I know that is not the case with Sinner. Why is he being sanctioned? It is true that they say that others who are not number 1 have been sanctioned… because they did wrong before.

I am surprised that different players have taken a stand against it, even some of the highest level and some who are not very clean.”
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I've had my fair share of disagreements with Toni over the years but I always appreciate when somebody tries to reason from the ground up. I think he refers with 'not clean' to the common use of TUEs in professional sport which has been rightly a matter of contention over many years, a very complex topic indeed.
 
Rovesciarete said:
I've had my fair share of disagreements with Toni over the years but I always appreciate when somebody tries to reason from the ground up. I think he refers with 'not clean' to the common use of TUEs in professional sport which has been rightly a matter of contention over many years, a very complex topic indeed.
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No, Toni is not stupid. TUEs are approved by the TUE Committee.

ITIA - Anti-Doping

ITIA - Anti-Doping
www.itia.tennis www.itia.tennis
 
Does pro coach & other member of his team also undergo doping test or not

To make sure tennis is clean sport
 
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Bartelby said:
Toni Nadal is supporting the cheaters!
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#WhatASurprise​
 
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It would be nice for uncle Toni to speak up for all players with similar situations. Supplement contaminations, etc.

But sinners was the first I’ve seen that literally got swept under the rug for months and allowed to play before word getting out on two ped failures.

The whole tennis world knew when Jensen brooksby “missed” his last urine sample test (even though it was on the doping agency rep not showing). There were no exceptions and had to sit despite him publicly stating he had all proof he wasn’t at fault. Still sidelined before the hearing 9 months later.
 
ChrisJR3264 said:
It would be nice for uncle Toni to speak up for all players with similar situations. Supplement contaminations, etc.

But sinners was the first I’ve seen that literally got swept under the rug for months and allowed to play before word getting out on two ped failures.

The whole tennis world knew when Jensen brooksby “missed” his last urine sample test (even though it was on the doping agency rep not showing). There were no exceptions and had to sit despite him publicly stating he had all proof he wasn’t at fault. Still sidelined before the hearing 9 months later.
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Toni Nadal spoke about Sinner BECAUSE he was asked a question about Sinner at the presentation of the 2025 Mallorca Championships (Toni is the Tournament Director.).
 
Toni's not very smart, no wonder Nadal couldn't win a slam in 2015-16, then got rid of Toni and won 2 slams in 2017, slam in 2018, 2 slams in 2019, slam in 2020, 2 slams in 2022 !
 
Bride of Alcaraz said:
He should have said players and their teams have to be more professional or face consequences (y)
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Yeah but as Octobrina says below:

octobrina10 said:
Toni Nadal spoke about Sinner BECAUSE he was asked a question about Sinner at the presentation of the 2025 Mallorca Championships (Toni is the Tournament Director.).
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He’s opening a tournament, this is one of those feel good PR sessions where he’s promoting tennis. If he starts badmouthing the #1 or insinuating that he thinks he doped, it’s going to create unnecessary controversy.

Again I keep coming back to this. Everyone involved in the game of tennis has a conflict of interest. Each of them have a very real financial, professional, and personal interest in sweeping this under the rug and saying that nothing really happened - they could lose money and see the reputation of their sport diminish heavily if they spoke out.

No one who currently works in the game of tennis is going to go against the grain and tell the truth, too risky. for those counting at home, this is manufactured consensus building in real time.
 
Bride of Alcaraz said:
Toni's not very smart, no wonder Nadal couldn't win a slam in 2015-16, then got rid of Toni and won 2 slams in 2017, slam in 2018, 2 slams in 2019, slam in 2020, 2 slams in 2022 !
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1) It has been explained on TTW a zillion times what was wrong with Rafa in 2015 - 2016.

2) Toni Nadal himself left the Rafa Team, he was tired of regularly travelling to tournaments, besides he was named the Head of Rafa’s academy when it was opened in 2016. Toni called Carlos Moya in December 2016 and offered him a job at the Rafa Team (and at the academy as the Technical Director). Moya agreed on the condition that Rafa wanted to win GS tournaments again. It was a smooth transition from Toni to Moya. After Moya joined the Rafa Team, Toni continued to travel with the team for a year.

An excerpt from C.Moya's interview with EL Espanol in January 2017 (Google translation from Spanish.):
¤¤ Question: "How did the opportunity to coach Nadal appear?"
MOYA: "Toni Nadal called me when I was playing the IPTL. He knew that I was no longer with Raonic and asked if I wanted to be part of the Rafa team and work at the academy. I agreed in principle, but I said I needed to talk to Rafa. I needed to know if he was willing to do everything to win again Grand Slam tournaments, to become the world's number one again ... And yes, he did have a hunger to win. For me, that was fundamental."¤¤
http://www.elespanol.com/deportes/tenis/20170111/185232044_0.html
 
If Nadal had shortened the points during 2005-2014 then he wouldn't have been injured as much and wouldn't have lost confidence in his body in 2015.
So hiring Moya in 2005 would have been the best solution for everything!
 
octobrina10 said:
1) It has been explained on TTW a zillion times what was wrong with Rafa in 2015 - 2016.

2) Toni Nadal himself left the Rafa Team, he was tired of regularly travelling to tournaments, besides he was named the Head of Rafa’s academy when it was opened in 2016. Toni called Carlos Moya in December 2016 and offered him a job at the Rafa Team (and at the academy as the Technical Director). Moya agreed on the condition that Rafa wanted to win GS tournaments again. It was a smooth transition from Toni to Moya. After Moya joined the Rafa Team, Toni continued to travel with the team for a year.

An excerpt from C.Moya's interview with EL Espanol in January 2017 (Google translation from Spanish.):
¤¤ Question: "How did the opportunity to coach Nadal appear?"
MOYA: "Toni Nadal called me when I was playing the IPTL. He knew that I was no longer with Raonic and asked if I wanted to be part of the Rafa team and work at the academy. I agreed in principle, but I said I needed to talk to Rafa. I needed to know if he was willing to do everything to win again Grand Slam tournaments, to become the world's number one again ... And yes, he did have a hunger to win. For me, that was fundamental."¤¤
http://www.elespanol.com/deportes/tenis/20170111/185232044_0.html
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Good post. so much for Bride of Alcaraz's attempt to tear Toni down.

octobrina10 said:
o_O
Carlos Moya was an active player in 2005!!
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Indeed.
 
Fabresque said:
Rafa fans defending TUE’s. What a shocker. Yawn
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Rafa bashers have tried a zillion times (without any sucess!) to fabricate allegations against Rafa who received two TUEs during 2009 and 2012, when he was out of the competion. I have replied to fabricators that Rafa didn't do anything wrong. I repeat again:

Rafa has received 2 TUEs during his career. He was injured and was not competing when he was granted the 2 TUEs (short-term permissions that were valid for 3 & 10 days and autorized by ITF) during 2009 and 2012.

¤ One TUE was valid between Sept. 23 - 25, 2009. Rafa was injured and was out of the competition then.
He sustained a right abdominal muscle injury in Cincinnati and aggravated it at the US Open. He got permission to use intramuscularly the named medication that helps prevent inflammation.
On Sept. 21, he withdrew from the Thailand Open (held between Sept. 26 - Oct.4, 2009) due to the injury.
He also withdrew from Spain's Davis Cup tie against Israel (held between Sept.18 - 20, 2009) due to the injury. (Before TUE)


¤ The second TUE was valid between July 30 - August 8, 2012. Rafa was off the Tour then. He got permission to use intramuscularly the named medication that is used as a diagnostic agent.
He was diagnosed with Hoffa's disease (in the left knee) in the middle of the 2012 and he was off the Tour for 7 months (until Feb. 2013). He had skipped the London 2012 Olympics (held between July 27 - August 12) before that TUE.
 
3 months is fair.

Its about to which degree Sinner is responsible for his teams mistake.Its his physios mistake, and its not easy for Sinner to control all these factors. Toni seems completely ignorant here.

In the end Sinner has some responsibility, so 3 months is ok imo.
 
I'm afraid the corruption in the Sinner case has been extremely blatant when compared to how almost all other players were treated after failed drug tests. Most suspicious of all was Sinner carrying on playing after the public reveal of the positive tests, and winning 2 more majors, and then the timing of a 3 month ban to avoid missing a major.
 
The authorities had too much to cover up, but WADA had me going when they sent the matter to CAS. Then we got the sweetheart deal and my realism was restored.

Mustard said:
I'm afraid the corruption in the Sinner case has been extremely blatant when compared to how almost all other players were treated after failed drug tests. Most suspicious of all was Sinner carrying on playing after the public reveal of the positive tests, and winning 2 more majors, and then the timing of a 3 month ban to avoid missing a major.
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Toni's logic doesn't make sense as usual. The fact that he knows Sinner personally doesn't prevent him from committing a crime.

Is he also assuming he's a trustworthy person? "I know him guys don't worry, I can guarantee you he would never do that".
 
Almost all top players and coaches except the one who was beat the last 3x they played supports this phenom from Italy, Jannik Sinner.
 
Doping is not a crime by law, only by tennis rules - Toni chose his words carefully. I can easily visualize Toni being the family doctor and sticking a few needles.
 
JustMy2Cents said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1894017607260418445
“I am against the sanction. I know Sinner personally and he had no intention of committing a crime and you cannot treat a person like that for a mistake that happened by chance. It cannot be that you have that desire to supervise and sanction.

One has to sanction those who intentionally do things wrong and seek personal benefit. I know that is not the case with Sinner. Why is he being sanctioned? It is true that they say that others who are not number 1 have been sanctioned… because they did wrong before.

I am surprised that different players have taken a stand against it, even some of the highest level and some who are not very clean.”
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Toni loses another opportunity to keep his mouth shut. Yet again....
 
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