Toni Nadal: Sinner Alcaraz rivals have already whithdrawn.

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Toni Nadal: "Alcaraz and Sinner have slightly weaker opponents than the Big Three."
"On the current tour, it seems like the direct rivals have withdrawn," emphasized Nadal's former coach and mentor.

"I remember perfectly that in Rafael's era, in addition to Novak Djokovic and Roger Federer, there were other great players like Andy Murray, Juan Martin del Potro, David Ferrer, and Stan Wawrinka, to name a few. These players were always there. On the current tour, it seems like the direct rivals have withdrawn." "There is no believe they can beat them"
"Alcaraz biggest weapon are hes legs and speed, hes the best athlete on tour"

Source: Ubitennis.
 
geromino said:
First time in recorded history that Toni is right about something. Unless a third guy like Fonseca steps up very soon, this is exactly like the early-mid 2000s weak area that Djokovic, Del Potro, Murray, Soderling, and others finally ended.
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What about the era djoko statpadded
 
sinneraz rival is the return of the serve bots aka faster courts and not dead balls
 
Fabrivitx said:
Bla bla, tell me why djoko statpadded 11 slams after 30 yrs old and against what kind of competition
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Against the same competition Nadal faced, and against superior competition to what Federer faced in the early-mid 2000s and still couldnt consistently overcome until 2004.
 
Fabrivitx said:
Toni Nadal: "Alcaraz and Sinner have slightly weaker opponents than the Big Three."
"On the current tour, it seems like the direct rivals have withdrawn," emphasized Nadal's former coach and mentor.

"I remember perfectly that in Rafael's era, in addition to Novak Djokovic and Roger Federer, there were other great players like Andy Murray, Juan Martin del Potro, David Ferrer, and Stan Wawrinka, to name a few. These players were always there. On the current tour, it seems like the direct rivals have withdrawn." "There is no believe they can beat them"
"Alcaraz biggest weapon are hes legs and speed, hes the best athlete on tour"

Source: Ubitennis.
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It's not so much that Sinner and
Alcaraz's rivals have withdrawn, as that they have not yet emerged. The players aged 25+ are generically weak as is well known. The quality of opponents they'll face from players younger than them is unknown.
 
Every player he names emerged AFTER Federer and Nadal had their run of dominance, and Federer was certainly far older than even Sinner is now. Like, okay, Ferrer beat Rafa in New York that time, and guess who beat Alcaraz in New York a year ago? Djokovic is the one real and consistent exception, but even that was only at best of 3 level. More rose-tinted nostalgic stupidity.
 
Obviously the Big 4 were special, but silly to say the others were always there.

Ferrer offered all the resistance of a tissue, del Potro was constantly injured and Stan didn't find his consistency until like 2013 at the earliest.

It also has to be pointed out that we've only had 2 years of this dominance from Sinner/Alcaraz. We're in the equivalent of like 2006 or 2007 for Fedal. Novak and Andy were still years away from breaking through, forget the others.
 
It's pretty ridiculous to call it nostalgia when the world number 3 couldn't even manage a M1000 final or win this year. And you see players like Shelton or De Minaur being solidly in the top 10 who are basically doomed the moment they meet Sinner, for them even winning a set against him would be an archievement
 
ND-13 said:
Their rivals are as good as 2018-23. Just that Sinneraz are better and establishing Monopoly /Duopoly like Fedal.
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Well, Medvedev and Tsitsipas have declined massively, Zverev too, to a lesser extent. Maybe they wouldn't change the equation that much, but they could offer some resistance. Zverev got a few good wins vs Alcaraz, Tsitsipas is the last player to beat Sinner at the AO, etc.

We'll see if Fonseca or Fils become serious challengers. For Rune, that ship has sailed, and Mensik has some flaws in his game that are unlikely to change.
 
BauerAlmeida said:
Well, Medvedev and Tsitsipas have declined massively, Zverev too, to a lesser extent. Maybe they wouldn't change the equation that much, but they could offer some resistance. Zverev got a few good wins vs Alcaraz, Tsitsipas is the last player to beat Sinner at the AO, etc.

We'll see if Fonseca or Fils become serious challengers. For Rune, that ship has sailed, and Mensik has some flaws in his game that are unlikely to change.
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They were never threats then or now . Djokovic choked against Medvedev big time otherwise the whole group will be slam less forever
 
The Blond Blur said:
Slightly weaker opponents? Understatement of the century tio Toni :-D
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I wonder if he’s poking at the mentality.
I’ve seen plenty interviews of folks on tour and it’s not as of that Novak determination before he was in the conversation as the 3rd guy. Novak didn’t care how good fed and Rafa were he was determined to figure out a way to beat them.

Some of these interviews show a mindset of “can’t compete” with their raw power and skill set. Where back then, there was more of a mental fortitude was they were going to figure them out. You even see some of these comments in matches where they just complain to their box “what do I do”?

Like at the laver cup (exo) - cerundelo was basically saying what can he do bc it was alcaraz. Both Agassi and Fonseca were telling him “I don’t give a bleep who it is” when giving him strategy during the match.
 
Racquet_smash said:
It's pretty ridiculous to call it nostalgia when the world number 3 couldn't even manage a M1000 final or win this year. And you see players like Shelton or De Minaur being solidly in the top 10 who are basically doomed the moment they meet Sinner, for them even winning a set against him would be an archievement
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I am a Ruud fan but De Minaur is easily better in terms of raw ability than Ruud who has been ranked as high as no 2 in the world. Granted Ruud is a bit of an unusual case where ranking does not fully reflect a player's ability but still.
 
MeatTornado said:
Obviously the Big 4 were special, but silly to say the others were always there.

Ferrer offered all the resistance of a tissue, del Potro was constantly injured and Stan didn't find his consistency until like 2013 at the earliest.

It also has to be pointed out that we've only had 2 years of this dominance from Sinner/Alcaraz. We're in the equivalent of like 2006 or 2007 for Fedal. Novak and Andy were still years away from breaking through, forget the others.
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We know 2006 was relatively weak due to Fed's gen getting injured while the new gen (other than Nadal) was yet to arrive, but in terms of potential future stars, look at this:

top 100 teenagers in 2006: Djokovic, Murray, del Potro

top 100 teenagers in 2025: Fonseca, Mensik, Tien

Seems clear which group is better, even without the benefit of hindsight the 2006 teens would've held more promise just looking at their games.
 
AnOctorokForDinner said:
We know 2006 was relatively weak due to Fed's gen getting injured while the new gen (other than Nadal) was yet to arrive, but in terms of potential future stars, look at this:

top 100 teenagers in 2006: Djokovic, Murray, del Potro

top 100 teenagers in 2025: Fonseca, Mensik, Tien

Seems clear which group is better, even without the benefit of hindsight the 2006 teens would've held more promise just looking at their games.
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Wow when you have to include 18 or 19 year version of Murrovic to hype up the competition lol Sinner has prime Carlos something Fed didn’t have in his weak era (2003-07)
 
Spielgame said:
Toni is worried that his nephew will be knocked out of number 2.
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I don’t think so.
I think the mentality and mental competitiveness are different.
Like that cincinatti SF , who gives their opponent a Pokémon card minutes before playing them competitively?

It’s one thing to have respect, but that’s an after the match , LR gesture. Is this generation as mentally dialed in?
I love Bublik. His antics are funny and he’s also a talented player. But at the same time I think he enjoys the tour life vs. doing what’s necessary to be a top 5 player.
That UTS dinner conversation where he and medvedev used to just party all the time until medvedev told him he was quitting and dialing up his training and focus to be 1.
 
AnOctorokForDinner said:
We know 2006 was relatively weak due to Fed's gen getting injured while the new gen (other than Nadal) was yet to arrive, but in terms of potential future stars, look at this:

top 100 teenagers in 2006: Djokovic, Murray, del Potro

top 100 teenagers in 2025: Fonseca, Mensik, Tien

Seems clear which group is better, even without the benefit of hindsight the 2006 teens would've held more promise just looking at their games.
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The bias is staggering, they dont even hit they 20s
 
Fabrivitx said:
ur propaganda narrative its getting weird and empty.
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Dude is almost 25 and he's had maybe 1 impressive win in his career (beating Alcaraz at Wimbledon) - he did nothing to Djokovic when Djokovic could still play at a very high level (2023), he's getting schooled by Alcaraz on a consistent basis (dude who is literally his only obstacle in this era) and he specializes in beating absolute nobodies. The current top 10 is a joke, Djokovic is almost 40 and 1/4 the player he used to be, Zverev is a shell of his former self and beat nobody of worth in 2025 and the rest of the tour is laughable to the point where players like Musetti and Aliassime need to be hyped even though anyone with half a brain knows they pose zero threat to Sinner and Alcaraz. Then you got guys like Shelton or de Minaur in the top 10, I think I have covered this enough in the past.

This ain't no propaganda, the tour is a complete farce. The lack of tier 2/3 players is unprecedented. Where's the new Tsonga? Del Po? Wawrinka? Murray? Even somoene like Roddick or Hewitt? Or freaking Berdych even? Someone who has genuine upset capabilities at least once every blue moon. You can pencil in Alcaraz and Sinner in 4 Slam finals next year and the odds of you being correct is very high before the season even started.
 
AnOctorokForDinner said:
We know 2006 was relatively weak due to Fed's gen getting injured while the new gen (other than Nadal) was yet to arrive, but in terms of potential future stars, look at this:

top 100 teenagers in 2006: Djokovic, Murray, del Potro

top 100 teenagers in 2025: Fonseca, Mensik, Tien

Seems clear which group is better, even without the benefit of hindsight the 2006 teens would've held more promise just looking at their games.
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I'm not saying that 2025 crop of players will turn into something special, we have no idea yet. The point is that no one in 2006 took Djokovic, Murray or del Potro seriously when compared to Federer & Nadal, who were comically ahead of the rest of the field at the time.
 
MeatTornado said:
I'm not saying that 2025 crop of players will turn into something special, we have no idea yet. The point is that no one in 2006 took Djokovic, Murray or del Potro seriously when compared to Federer & Nadal, who were comically ahead of the rest of the field at the time.
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By 2006-2007 these guys were already showing good stuff. Murray for example beat Fred at Cincinnati in 2006 at one of his favourite tournaments historically. Djokovic in the same year had a great RG run a solid Wimbledon effort for a teen. And obviously their credibility went up to 11 only the next year. Among 2004+ born players you can't find anyone that has done similar feats than what they did only in 2006.
 
Racquet_smash said:
By 2006-2007 these guys were already showing good stuff. Murray for example beat Fred at Cincinnati in 2006 at one of his favourite tournaments historically. Djokovic in the same year had a great RG run a solid Wimbledon effort for a teen. And obviously their credibility went up to 11 only the next year. Among 2004+ born players you can't find anyone that has done similar feats than what they did only in 2006.
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These are things we say in hindsight. When a lower ranked player beats Carlos today we just call him a fraud for losing to a weak era bum. Draper beat him and won Indian Wells, but no one talks about him as a rival willing to stand up to them. But if Jack does take the next step to bigger success in 2026+ then we'll all pretend like the signs were obviously there.
 
MeatTornado said:
I'm not saying that 2025 crop of players will turn into something special, we have no idea yet. The point is that no one in 2006 took Djokovic, Murray or del Potro seriously when compared to Federer & Nadal, who were comically ahead of the rest of the field at the time.
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2006 was a relatively lean year, but there were upcoming youngsters with potential that delivered soon enough. That's something we aren't seeing right now except possibly with Fonseca.
 
Racquet_smash said:
By 2006-2007 these guys were already showing good stuff. Murray for example beat Fred at Cincinnati in 2006 at one of his favourite tournaments historically. Djokovic in the same year had a great RG run a solid Wimbledon effort for a teen. And obviously their credibility went up to 11 only the next year. Among 2004+ born players you can't find anyone that has done similar feats than what they did only in 2006.
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Murray's win at Cinci was a farce, Fed had tanked the match.

How many times do we have to say this? Mary Carillo herself blamed Fed for tanking the match for the US Open.

In 2006 Djokovic and Murray were nothing, they were not people known to most tennis fans. Even in 2007 they weren't that noticeable, they grew prominent from 2008 onwards.
 
Razer said:
Murray's win at Cinci was a farce, Fed had tanked the match.

How many times do we have to say this? Mary Carillo herself blamed Fed for tanking the match for the US Open.

In 2006 Djokovic and Murray were nothing, they were not people known to most tennis fans. Even in 2007 they weren't that noticeable, they grew prominent from 2008 onwards.
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Djokovic in 2007 with M1000 wins and a slam final wasn't credible? What?
 
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