Toni Nadal : Wimbledon is like a small event. They help some players

If Nadal's game had creativity equal to the excuses he'd be in the semi-finals. Compared to Federer he labours away repetitively. I'm beginning to think he won those Wimbledon titles because at the time his will power and fitness was enough to compensate for his technical limitations on grass.

"Knee" "problems" several times.

Rosol and Brown beat him unfairly because they didn't play tennis according to Toni.

This time the excuse is it's the "wrong" show court.
there is no excuse for his loss, which some of you fedephants are acting like it was a beatdown when it was actually a razor thin victory and defeat, and Uncle Toni was not making one.

he was clearly stating how preferential Wimbledon has been to Murray and Federer, regardless of the reasons/excuses, regarding the use of CC!

simple as that! and you all know he is right!
 
His words mean that Wimbledon treats the Nadal exactly the same way as RG.

Is he complaining there?

:cool:
You are right, perhaps something is lost in translation. Maybe someone who speaks Spanish can tell us what was said, and what the context was, and whether they were asked a question by some journalist or what.
I can;t believe they would really object to being on Court 1.

It lacks a roof, and I don't think they like playing with a roof, right ? Indoor tennis is not tennis, right ?
 
there is no excuse for his loss, which some of you fedephants are acting like it was a beatdown when it was actually a razor thin victory and defeat, and Uncle Toni was not making one.

he was clearly stating how preferential Wimbledon has been to Murray and Federer, regardless of the reasons/excuses, regarding the use of CC!

simple as that! and you all know he is right!

From the article :


A very honest Toni Nadal spoke about it: 'Wimbledon wants to be the best tournament in the world, but sometimes they do things like a small event, helping other players,' the world no.



He's implying the wrong show court for his nephew wasn't a help (read sour grapes).




 
No, the meaning of not being on CC at Wimb is even more significant because of the roof. You know you're going to play for certain, so much better than maybe being interrupted to delayed a whole day for rain.
But seriously, he's 8-5 there since 2011. Andy and Fed will get cc most of the time. But had it been Fed-Mueller and rafa-dimi I do think the latter could have gotten the spot. Mueller was juat not considered cc material given the other choices
 

From the article :


A very honest Toni Nadal spoke about it: 'Wimbledon wants to be the best tournament in the world, but sometimes they do things like a small event, helping other players,' the world no.



He's implying the wrong show court for his nephew wasn't a help (read sour grapes).



you all are either reading way too much or not comprehending at all what Toni said.

clearly its about the unfair use of CC.

we all know its true, just because it benefitted your guy doesn't mean you are allowed to ignore or flagrantly excuse it.
 
you all are either reading way too much or not comprehending at all what Toni said.

clearly its about the unfair use of CC.

we all know its true, just because it benefitted your guy doesn't mean you are allowed to ignore or flagrantly excuse it.

It's clearly an excuse. "Helping some players" but he forgot to say "except my nephew". He implied it. Muller played on the same court as Nadal with the same crowd, same balls, same net, and won.
 
you all are either reading way too much or not comprehending at all what Toni said.

clearly its about the unfair use of CC.

we all know its true, just because it benefitted your guy doesn't mean you are allowed to ignore or flagrantly excuse it.
This is like the worst place to discuss this topic because of the heavy load of a certain fan group. A more general tennis interested kind of people are better. So it is in no way we can expect some view on this that is not colored.
All the other slams more fair. They put even Rafa, a then 9 slam winner in that tournament on another court in RG. Its normal. To promote young up and coming players are common too...in the other slams.
But what makes this worse is because of the roof and the predictability. What they did to Novak is very suspect. They move matches over to CC all the time, its a common thing to do. They just took it too far this time.
 
This is like the worst place to discuss this topic because of the heavy load of a certain fan group. A more general tennis interested kind of people are better. So it is in no way we can expect some view on this that is not colored.
All the other slams more fair. They put even Rafa, a then 9 slam winner in that tournament on another court in RG. Its normal. To promote young up and coming players are common too...in the other slams.
But what makes this worse is because of the roof and the predictability. What they did to Novak is very suspect. They move matches over to CC all the time, its a common thing to do. They just took it too far this time.

I don't see how. From what I can tell, the Wimbledon and RG courts tend to play similarly enough at least but the HC Slams have quite a big discrepancy between the playing conditions of the show courts and the other courts, which creates huge in-built bias in the system.
 
BREAKING: Wimbledon to replace its venerated Lorina-Barcrown grass mixture with new cultivar called Clay Death.

It's not very often that the world stands still. 9/11, the moon landing, the Oscar winning speech of the Great Kit Duncan -- all these magnificent events pale in comparison to the one true tennis god.

They pale in comparison to Rafael Nadal.

The world has heard Rafa's grunts; they have heard them loud and clear. To not hear them would be to be deaf. To not be moved to climax by them would to be inhuman.

And while the world has heard, Wimbledon has taken action.

Wimbledon has responded.

"We've taken Rafa's very reasonable, frequent requests into consideration," says Duke Grandmaster Sterling von Seamus, ESQ, begrudgingly. "Frankly, it would be hard not to."

Nadal's sentiments have been echoed by literally dozens of fans on social media.

"After his thrashing of former Del Ray Beach finalist Donald Young, who wouldn't think that Rafa deserved to be on Centre Court? Certainly not a woman?" says John McEnroe, who recently took home the ESPY for the most horrible fashion sense in sports broadcasting.

"Federer -- come on. Why does he deserve to play on Center Court? Who does he think he is? Kevin Anderson!"

"This is Rafael Nadal, we're talking about!" exclaims Yoko Ono supporter Judy Murray. "Certainly the sexiest male tennis player since Radek Stepanek."

Certainly.

We've reached out to Wimbledon for a response, but they've been busy with philosophizing about witches and ducks and have yet to get back.

However, an inside source reports that Roland Garros and Wimbledon have conspired to covertly swap surfaces. The red clay of Roland Garros will actually be grass with a clay paint job. The reverse will occur at SW19.

"This way Rafa can even out his resume, no?" proposed a Spanish coach who asked to go nameless. Es simple math, claro?"
 
It's clearly an excuse. "Helping some players" but he forgot to say "except my nephew". He implied it. Muller played on the same court as Nadal with the same crowd, same balls, same net, and won.
it did help some players! namely Federer and Murray!
playing all your matches on CC is definitely a benefit.
 
I don't see how. From what I can tell, the Wimbledon and RG courts tend to play similarly enough at least but the HC Slams have quite a big discrepancy between the playing conditions of the show courts and the other courts, which creates huge in-built bias in the system.
Rafa played on other court than Chatrier this year ;) And they do put up and coming players on great courts not from France. France got so many players they could fill Chatrier every day first week if they want to, but they dont do it.
It is some bias, but when things happen like it did to Novak... it was taken way too far. He has won it 3 times. Very disrespectful. The whole "wimbledon is so classy" is not really true. It looks like that w the white and the grass.. but uts very sneaky stuff.
 
Rafa played on other court than Chatrier this year ;) And they do put up and coming players on great courts not from France. France got so many players they could fill Chatrier every day first week if they want to, but they dont do it.
It is some bias, but when things happen like it did to Novak... it was taken way too far. He has won it 3 times. Very disrespectful. The whole "wimbledon is so classy" is not really true. It looks like that w the white and the grass.. but uts very sneaky stuff.

I'm not being biased and thinking about Rafa but am taking a worldly and objective view where I look out for all the lovely players who enter the draw. But I'm basically massively displeased with all the Slams. Wimbledon are probably the worst for the sort of thing being described in this thread but the HC Slams seem more guilty of building in that conditions bias from the get-go of a tournament. I've complained on this forum maaaaany times about this and I'm not even convinced every draw made for the Slams was honest.

So yeah, I'm pissed.
 
it did help some players! namely Federer and Murray!
playing all your matches on CC is definitely a benefit.

Murray has been put on Court 1 many times as well, despite of being top 4 player for a long time.

You are misinformed.

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EDIT: And Nadal was put on CC at the same time, despite of not participating the previous year (2nd day 2010).
 
it did help some players! namely Federer and Murray!
playing all your matches on CC is definitely a benefit.

So Nadal would have won if they played on a different court namely Centre court? That's an excuse. He lost fair and square.
 
I'm not being biased and thinking about Rafa but am taking a worldly and objective view where I look out for all the lovely players who enter the draw. But I'm basically massively displeased with all the Slams. Wimbledon are probably the worst for the sort of thing being described in this thread but the HC Slams seem more guilty of building in that conditions bias from the get-go of a tournament. I've complained on this forum maaaaany times about this and I'm not even convinced every draw made for the Slams was honest.

So yeah, I'm pissed.

What do you mean w this?
I have become more and more sceptical too, specially now when I am not a youth anymore and see this from my young sons perspective. Its not about who is the best player, but about money and politics. You have to be good in the networking aspect too, to reach the top. And tournaments are trying to push the outcome they want.
Next year I want to go to 500 tournaments in Europe. The bigger the worst they get it seems. I lived in Wimbledon and sensed some of the ewwww aspects of it. Many doesnt know that teams, umpires, journalists and ATP, and tournament officials all hang together in different groups, and specially Wimbledon seem to be most like this as The Village small.
 
What do you mean w this?
I have become more and more sceptical too, specially now when I am not a youth anymore and see this from my young sons perspective. Its not about who is the best player, but about money and politics. You have to be good in the networking aspect too, to reach the top. And tournaments are trying to push the outcome they want.
Next year I want to go to 500 tournaments in Europe. The bigger the worst they get it seems. I lived in Wimbledon and sensed some of the ewwww aspects of it. Many doesnt know that teams, umpires, journalists and ATP, and tournament officials all hang together in different groups, and specially Wimbledon seem to be most like this as The Village small.

What I mean is that I don't look past the idea of draw rigging. Money talks -- look at the first ever NBA draft lottery from 1985. Interesting further comments from yourself -- you're well lived and know your stuff.
 
Tony is probably right. However, what he forgets is that ATP has pushed their Nadal agenda quite a bit, more then any other player except Fed...
 
Tony is probably right. However, what he forgets is that ATP has pushed their Nadal agenda quite a bit, more then any other player except Fed...

Nadal has been enjoying the same privileged treatment as the other top players compared to all the other players from the pro tour, so really he is complaining that his nephew is not as recognized as Federer or Murray right now.

Tio is right but in regard to the lower ranked players, as the privileged treatment of his nephew is essentially equally unfair to them.

He has been long enough in the business to know that, so in reality his statements aim to give the Nadal yet again the consolation that he is the victim and in other circumstances the things might have been different.

I cannot believe that Nadal is such a puppet to still fall for that kind of psychological treatment.

:cool:
 
What I mean is that I don't look past the idea of draw rigging. Money talks -- look at the first ever NBA draft lottery from 1985. Interesting further comments from yourself -- you're well lived and know your stuff.
I dont trust the draw either. How can we trust that? In draws there should be a police or an official like that there, and when its done electronically its even easier fix it. When you see how Wimbledon has been fixing this year w players and schedule, its hard to believe the draw is not fixed too,,,
People are way too naive and think things are done the right way.
 
It's all what organisers think. And at Wimbledon, Roger is king and most popular

Yep, what most people forget is Professional tennis (any professional sport) is a business first and foremost. Is it fair that some are treated "better" than others? No, but fairness has nothing to do with profits, and if being Federer's personal PR firm, is a way for these tournaments to capitalize and make the most money, then so be it. Some would say, then people are going to stop going to these tournaments; and you'd be correct. Then and only then would they change their model of doing things. Until then it's all about the Benjamin's. It's all about the Benjamin's too for the players, or they wouldn't complain.
 
Yeah, all those grass Masters and fast indoor hards. The Tour is virtually tailored to suit Federer's strengths.
Its no grass masters though.
But that every WTF for years have been indoors suits some players. If it was another surface the outcome would have been different. WTF should have been named Indoor HC master instead. Been converted to a master indoors. WTF is such a joke.
 
I dont trust the draw either. How can we trust that? In draws there should be a police or an official like that there, and when its done electronically its even easier fix it. When you see how Wimbledon has been fixing this year w players and schedule, its hard to believe the draw is not fixed too,,,
People are way too naive and think things are done the right way.

I consider Royal Rumble number picks to be more legit.

Oh yeah. I'm a cynic, sugar.
 
Isn't that the connotation though? Would they be making these comments if he had won? Doesn't it sound like sour grapes?
if you want to interpret it as sour grapes, then fine.

people don't usually complain until there is a problem.

however, I do not think Tony is trying to make up an excuse for Nadal barely losing to Muller.

he's talking about preferential treatment (among preferential treatment, which makes it even crazier) regarding the use of CC.
 
The Nadal camp whining? :eek:

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So, you are not arguing on principle that it should be "fair"?

Let me ask you something.

How many times would Nadal have been scheduled on CC this year should everybody have gotten the same treatment to be at least one time on CC?

:cool:
Federer and Murray should have at least played once on another court besides CC.

that would have been more equitable.

delaying Djokovic's match till the next day was derelict! they should have let him play on CC once it became clear that the Nadal-Muller thriller was going to be a long time.
 
"people don't usually complain until there is a problem."

....wut
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whats hard to understand?

If Nadal had won the Muller match, Toni's critique would still be just as valid.

However, if Nadal had won, I doubt he would have said anything about it because he wouldn't have the time or inclination to do so (there would be more important things to do).

everyone started to notice that Federer and Murray were playing all their matches on CC, not just Uncle Toni...
 
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whats hard to understand?

If Nadal had won the Muller match, Toni's critique would still be just as valid.

However, if Nadal had won, I doubt he would have said anything about it because he wouldn't have the time or inclination to do so (there would be more important things to do).

everyone started to notice that Federer and Murray were playing all their matches on CC, not just Uncle Toni...

People you know don't complain for the sake of complaining? Are you a Buddhist monk?
 
this is similar to what happened in Miami when the organizers allowed Federer not to play any night matches in the beginning because he doesn't like Miami's lighting all that much.

even though the most popular players usually play more night matches because that when most of the people show up at the beginning of the event.
 
:confused:

whats hard to understand?

If Nadal had won the Muller match, Toni's critique would still be just as valid.

However, if Nadal had won, I doubt he would have said anything about it because he wouldn't have the time or inclination to do so (there would be more important things to do).

everyone started to notice that Federer and Murray were playing all their matches on CC, not just Uncle Toni...
It was in press all over the world. Its not like we are a few people in here stating this.

I really hope if Nadal and Novak next year feel a tiny bit of injury, drop Wimbledon. Let the Wimbledon oldies go on for themself. Bet more players think the same. Do Queens and Halle. Heck, even Eastbourne was nice compared. Then get prepared for the HC over the Atlantic. These players are just too good to be treated like this. And the way they are towards the younger too... RG gives Sasha and co good courts. Wimbledon? No way. Thiem got C1 once, but that was probably just because Venus and the other not available that time.
 
People you know don't complain for the sake of complaining? Are you a Buddhist monk?
no. who is going to complain if there's nothing to complain about (excluding mother-in-laws)?

I personally like to debate and discuss and therefore will play devil's advocate or ask questions, but that's only when I have enough time on my hands to participate on forums like this one.

trust me, Toni and the rest of Nadal's camp don't have that 'luxury'. they got things to do and money to make, LOL.
 
this is similar to what happened in Miami when the organizers allowed Federer not to play any night matches in the beginning because he doesn't like Miami's lighting all that much.

even though the most popular players usually play more night matches because that when most of the people show up at the beginning of the event.

Good point.
 
Imagine Nadal won Wimbledon. Would he bring up the fact that the scheduling was iffy, or would he laud the event for a job well done?

It's grasping at straws
 
Uncle Toni,

You person did not get center court because he was probably going to win based on his game style on the fast grass. He had a chance during his peak. Therefore we could not justify putting him on center court when the the most popular player was playing and our guy was playing. That said you have the finest clay court player in the history of tennis. He is just not the finest or most popular grass court player. I hope you understand.

The LTA
 
LOL

nice try. you obviously realize how your original interpretation was quite horrible.

I obviously realised that Toni was basically peeved that Rafa hadn't been given all CC attention. I doubt he would have commented otherwise.
 
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