Toni Nadal's reason for Nadal's recent bad results: "Tennis is faster"

Toni is correct in the sense that the top guys are taking the ball earlier than ever and in that sense the game is becoming faster. Kyrgios is a good example of this.

It's wishful fanboism to suggest that Toni Nadal is the weak link in team Rafa. Sadly Rafa himself is the weak link.
 
Tio Toni should read Einstein's special theory of relativity to determine why tennis now appears "faster."

Einstein wrote in 1905 that..... "as Uncle Toni and Rafa approach the speed of light in their spaceship "The Non Compos Mentis", it appears to them as though time and reality outside their spaceship has "sped up" and is moving much faster than normal; when in reality it is their own time and reality aboard their ship that has slowed inexorably to a crawl, much like Rafa's movement around the court". *

(*taken from Einsteins "Special Theory of Relativity", chapter 7, verse 3)

Damn, Einstein really knew his tennis!
 
Yet another thread that adds to the mountain of evidence that people just don't know why he declined. I really don't see how objective people can just rule out the possibility that bio passport was one of the reasons.
Or it could be the far more likely and simple nonconspiratorial explanation that age and injuries have predictably caught up to him and reduced his physical gifts.
 
Or it could be the far more likely and simple nonconspiratorial explanation that age and injuries have predictably caught up to him and reduced his physical gifts.
Yes it certainly could. I am leaning toward that bio passport played a bigger role in this specific case, though, by considering the following--
1. 2015-2016 has been injury free. 2014 was injury laden. However the performance was exactly opposite of what the injury status would indicate.
2. The long term trend of physical decline is indisputable. However the endurance aspect is a very slow and gradual for age 29.
3. The ease of doping with EPO and blood transfusions and the complete lack of control in tennis pre bio passport.
4. Tennis used to be a skill and athleticism based sport. That was why people had been less concerned about the use of PEDs which usually boost strength or endurance. However in recent years tennis has turned into a very physical sport. Having fresh legs in best of five is absolutely critical in the slams.
5. Bio passport technology is no smoke screen. It has expose a large number of dopers in cycling for example. Spain's national soccer team is another example of this awkward correlation between the inception of bio passport (FIFA worldcup 2014) and a big decline in performance.
 
Or it could be the far more likely and simple nonconspiratorial explanation that age and injuries have predictably caught up to him and reduced his physical gifts.

He is one year older than Djokovic and has played about 70 matches more than him.

Also, what injuries are you talking about?

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Sources??
Cahill McEnroe brothers gilbert others talk about it several times. It is obvious as well. The rally length has been reduced considerably. It is not easy excepting these things when false memes promoting agendas have created the illusion that we are living in the 50+ rally era still. Today a 30 shot rally is rare. In fact a 25 shot rally is hard to come by.
 
Cahill McEnroe brothers gilbert others talk about it several times. It is obvious as well. The rally length has been reduced considerably. It is not easy excepting these things when false memes promoting agendas have created the illusion that we are living in the 50+ rally era still. Today a 30 shot rally is rare. In fact a 25 shot rally is hard to come by.
There never was a 50+ rally era and 30+ were always rare. Even in AO 2012, I doubt you'll find much more than 10-15 rallies above 30 shots.
I personally haven't noticed it, nor does it seem to be the case for most other posters here. Unfortunately, average rally length is yet another tennis stat, that should be easy to access, but it's not for the general public.
 
Yes it certainly could. I am leaning toward that bio passport played a bigger role in this specific case, though, by considering the following--
1. 2015-2016 has been injury free. 2014 was injury laden. However the performance was exactly opposite of what the injury status would indicate.
2. The long term trend of physical decline is indisputable. However the endurance aspect is a very slow and gradual for age 29.
3. The ease of doping with EPO and blood transfusions and the complete lack of control in tennis pre bio passport.
4. Tennis used to be a skill and athleticism based sport. That was why people had been less concerned about the use of PEDs which usually boost strength or endurance. However in recent years tennis has turned into a very physical sport. Having fresh legs in best of five is absolutely critical in the slams.
5. Bio passport technology is no smoke screen. It has expose a large number of dopers in cycling for example. Spain's national soccer team is another example of this awkward correlation between the inception of bio passport (FIFA worldcup 2014) and a big decline in performance.
Good points. Particularly #4 which was on my mind. Skill and athleticism still rule (particularly outside BO5) but you have a great point about doping assisted recovery times.

I just don't like accusing guys without really strong evidence. Its like a black hole, if Rafa was cheating, were the guys who beat him cheating (Fed/Djoker)? If a guy has an epic 5 set win does that mean he was prob cheating? I don't like it.

As a Novak fan I really don't like the no evidence accusations bc he's obv vulnerable to endurance attacks. At the same time he routinely dominates in non endurance contests with skill and has no case to be made against him bio passport wise.

Any, just my thoughts.
 
Cahill McEnroe brothers gilbert others talk about it several times. It is obvious as well. The rally length has been reduced considerably. It is not easy excepting these things when false memes promoting agendas have created the illusion that we are living in the 50+ rally era still. Today a 30 shot rally is rare. In fact a 25 shot rally is hard to come by.

Outside of the top elite maybe; common enough there! Murray and Kei got into many of them in their DC TIE today! ;-)
 
People are focusing on what the Op wrote on the title of this thread but the Op omitted a bunch of things that Uncle Toni talked about when he explained Rafa's struggles. Almost all of what he mentions is about the decline in Rafa's game itself, like his forehand, which has nothing to do with tennis being faster.

Below is what he says about Rafa's forehand.

Toni Nadal Comments On Rafael Nadal's Struggles, Coaching Situation


He also spoke about Rafael’s currently ineffective forehand, saying It's true that this shot has stopped to hurt like before, and everyone sees it.

And the forehand, that is the biggest strength in Rafa's game, does not hurt like it usually did, it does not go like before.
 
Good points. Particularly #4 which was on my mind. Skill and athleticism still rule (particularly outside BO5) but you have a great point about doping assisted recovery times.

I just don't like accusing guys without really strong evidence. Its like a black hole, if Rafa was cheating, were the guys who beat him cheating (Fed/Djoker)? If a guy has an epic 5 set win does that mean he was prob cheating? I don't like it.

As a Novak fan I really don't like the no evidence accusations bc he's obv vulnerable to endurance attacks. At the same time he routinely dominates in non endurance contests with skill and has no case to be made against him bio passport wise.

Any, just my thoughts.
This is a case of a trade off between morality and truth. Our morality standard says we shouldn't accuse someone of wrong doing without proof. Our desire of knowing the truth however tells us not to excluding any probable scenarios. The truth exists; it doesn't care whether it fits morality or not.

I don't believe success should be used as one of the indicators for doping. There are two explanations when someone is really good: A. He is really good, B. He is pretty good but doping helped him. Given someone who is not as good can easily be doping as well, being very good or the best doesn't raise the likelihood of doping. Bio passport is a different story. EPO is a natural substance the body produces, so are red blood cells. So prior to bio passport there was virtually no control of EPO or blood doping. Its introduction is like a controlled experiment. One moment you have no control of this type of doping. Next moment you have control. All you need to see is whose level has dropped precipitously. However the drop of level will also need to be checked against other natural causes, such as injury or loss of motivation (such as in andre agassi's case), or change of the playing condition (such as "the game is faster now"). Without proof one can only pick the most likely one.

As any scientific theory, the bio passport theory is fully capable of being proven wrong. If Nadal comes back to win something big, then I will be happy to say the 2015-2016 episode was just a temporary blip that randomly happened at the same time as the inception of bio passport.
 
People are focusing on what the Op wrote on the title of this thread but the Op omitted a bunch of things that Uncle Toni talked about when he explained Rafa's struggles. Almost all of what he mentions is about the decline in Rafa's game itself, like his forehand, which has nothing to do with tennis being faster.

Below is what he says about Rafa's forehand.

Toni Nadal Comments On Rafael Nadal's Struggles, Coaching Situation


He also spoke about Rafael’s currently ineffective forehand, saying It's true that this shot has stopped to hurt like before, and everyone sees it.

And the forehand, that is the biggest strength in Rafa's game, does not hurt like it usually did, it does not go like before.
But that just says that Rafa's forehand no longer hurts the way it used. It does not say how much is due to decline, and how much is due to change in the game.
 
But that just says that Rafa's forehand no longer hurts the way it used. It does not say how much is due to decline, and how much is due to change in the game.

You didn't read it properly. He said " it does not go like before" . So when he doesn't hit it like before, it is all due to decline. I remembers seeing stats posted around here within the last year or so that showed on average that Rafa was hitting the ball with significantly less RPM's than he used to.
 
'We have not started the year well despite training well. Am I the reason for my nephew's problems? I think they give me too much importance and in the end, I've to thank them. (But) if I am the cause of why he plays bad, I also have to be the reason for the 14 Slams he's won. Everyone can think what they want. Nowadays people speak about things they do not know and I do not think I am the cause of why he does not win like he did before. When (Juan Carlos) Ferrero dropped (his ranking) no one looked,' said Toni, who will not accompany Rafa to Indian Wells. Francis Roig will be there instead.

Toni also gave another reason for Rafa getting bad results. 'It's not that you win or lose because of only one reason. I've clear in my mind the reasons why Nadal stopped to win like he did before. Tennis is faster. We try to be more tactical. Now, first two shots are much more important in men's tennis. Without serving very well, before, Nadal played more aggressive easily. It's not an excuse, but confidence is lacking in the important moments (now). In sports like tennis or golf, you miss two shots and your confidence slips. It's happened to Woods and Ballesteros,' said Toni, before adding, 'Other sports change to suit new players and equipments, but in tennis, leaders are reluctant to do so. For players, who have a a strategy game it's tougher. For the crowd, this tennis is better because the best points in a season are the ones that come after long rallies. It's not an excuse. Changes have not been made to favour Nadal, but so that the next generation does not play similar tennis. I do not know if Rafa can adapt to this new tennis, but we are there. Our goal is to play at a good level in the clay season.'

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I think this has been going on last 4-5 years, gradually, IMHO. But not by much, just little quicker, IMHO.
Djokovic adjusted it and part of the reason he hired Becker, IMHO.
In fact, Djokovic's arrival as a top dog somehow coincide with this little bit quicker ATP games..

Nadal was also developing quick game on hard courts. In 2013 hard court seasons, he was going thru his serving games almost Federer like quick fashion.
Only to be derailed in 2014, derailed big time. Nadal is back to square 1 so to speak.....
 
'We have not started the year well despite training well. Am I the reason for my nephew's problems? I think they give me too much importance and in the end, I've to thank them. (But) if I am the cause of why he plays bad, I also have to be the reason for the 14 Slams he's won. Everyone can think what they want. Nowadays people speak about things they do not know and I do not think I am the cause of why he does not win like he did before. When (Juan Carlos) Ferrero dropped (his ranking) no one looked,' said Toni, who will not accompany Rafa to Indian Wells. Francis Roig will be there instead.

Toni also gave another reason for Rafa getting bad results. 'It's not that you win or lose because of only one reason. I've clear in my mind the reasons why Nadal stopped to win like he did before. Tennis is faster. We try to be more tactical. Now, first two shots are much more important in men's tennis. Without serving very well, before, Nadal played more aggressive easily. It's not an excuse, but confidence is lacking in the important moments (now). In sports like tennis or golf, you miss two shots and your confidence slips. It's happened to Woods and Ballesteros,' said Toni, before adding, 'Other sports change to suit new players and equipments, but in tennis, leaders are reluctant to do so. For players, who have a a strategy game it's tougher. For the crowd, this tennis is better because the best points in a season are the ones that come after long rallies. It's not an excuse. Changes have not been made to favour Nadal, but so that the next generation does not play similar tennis. I do not know if Rafa can adapt to this new tennis, but we are there. Our goal is to play at a good level in the clay season.'
The man has totally lost it.

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Sad, sad......

:(
 
Cahill McEnroe brothers gilbert others talk about it several times. It is obvious as well. The rally length has been reduced considerably. It is not easy excepting these things when false memes promoting agendas have created the illusion that we are living in the 50+ rally era still. Today a 30 shot rally is rare. In fact a 25 shot rally is hard to come by.

Thank God. They're OK maybe once a game at most, but to aim for that every point produces tennis that is mindnumbingly repetitive and DULL.
 
Simple fact is the game has just changed. Now its just normal for players to handle shoulder high balls on the rise, so one of Nadal's biggest weapons - topspin - isn't that potent anymore. Club that with his loss in speed and in turn, loss in confidence with his FH, things start going downhill a little. Rafa hasn't adapted yet to playing closer to the baseline that well, not against the top guns anyway.
Taking time away however, never goes out of fashion. Novak and Fed do that very well from close to the baseline, because of which they're still on top.
 
Simple fact is the game has just changed. Now its just normal for players to handle shoulder high balls on the rise, so one of Nadal's biggest weapons - topspin - isn't that potent anymore. Club that with his loss in speed and in turn, loss in confidence with his FH, things start going downhill a little. Rafa hasn't adapted yet to playing closer to the baseline that well, not against the top guns anyway.
Taking time away however, never goes out of fashion. Novak and Fed do that very well from close to the baseline, because of which they're still on top.

Thank you for a sane balanced post. Decline is just a part of what is going on out there. Uncle Toni for all his "stuff" knows tennis far more than some TTW Thugs.
 
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