Toni says Nadal will pass Fed in GS tally

Don't know why Toni saying that is considered outrageous. As it currently stands, Nadal is 2 slams behind federer, about 5-6 years younger, and as dogged in the chase as any. It's a possibility that nadal may end with more slams.

Imagine what the reaction would have been had Toni said at the beginning of 2017 that Nadal could win 2 slams.
 
What he's really assuming (and hoping for) is that Roger will stay at 19 slams. They hoped he would stay at 17 and look how that worked out.

Good luck to the Nadals. They should be worrying about Djokovic catching up to Nadal's 16 while Roger goes on to 22. Yes, I said it - Roger will win at least 3 more slams.
You expect 3 more slams from a 36 year old guy who has only won 3 in the past 7 years? 2017 should still be considered an anomaly based off of his age and “lack” of titles this decade. Not saying it can’t happen especially if he has a good 2018 but those are some ridiculous expectations.
 
You expect 3 more slams from a 36 year old guy who has only won 3 in the past 7 years? 2017 should still be considered an anomaly based off of his age and “lack” of titles this decade. Not saying it can’t happen especially if he has a good 2018 but those are some ridiculous expectations.

Fans having ridiculous expectations are normal for this forum. Some have been hoping Federer would just get old and go away for a long time. It would be epic if last year wasn’t an anomaly and he makes up for the “lack” of titles by winning more despite the cries of being too old.
 
Don't know why Toni saying that is considered outrageous. As it currently stands, Nadal is 2 slams behind federer, about 5-6 years younger, and as dogged in the chase as any. It's a possibility that nadal may end with more slams.

Imagine what the reaction would have been had Toni said at the beginning of 2017 that Nadal could win 2 slams.

Uncle Toni and Nadal fans have been counting on that 5-6 year younger for so long. Nice try, Nadal is 3 slams behind Federer. Also Federer is just as dogged in making them eat FAIL.
 
What do you mean true face, I'm a huge Fed fan, but I don't particularly like a lot of his fans that much.

It would be cool to see how they explode.

With Rafa it's the opposite. I like his fans, but really don't like the guy.

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You expect 3 more slams from a 36 year old guy who has only won 3 in the past 7 years? 2017 should still be considered an anomaly based off of his age and “lack” of titles this decade. Not saying it can’t happen especially if he has a good 2018 but those are some ridiculous expectations.
Yeah, we have. Maybe we are totally delusional, time will tell.

The reason why we are confident is because age was never the problem. It was weaker backhand, poor scheduling, mentality and a small racket.

So, Fed fixed it all of those and with reduced schedule he can still be healthy all slams he decides to play. He can just play Halle and W even at age 40 if he wants.

Also, big 3 declined too and have problems, and with Fed's new level, he now doesn't even need his BEST TO WIN. He can win with his B game now, he improved his B game.

And on top of that he sure will have some lucky draws in next few years.

I know logic defies how a guy at age 36-40 can win slams. BUT, we never have seen anyone like Fed. AND, in this era with modern science, you can prolong your best.

Ddn't one Japan guy in ski jumping won even after age 40? Wasn't Jordan in top form at age 38 and that without equipment? Waldner Silver medal at age 38?

And considering Fed has new equipment, why can't he win 3 slams during 36-39?

Logic says, Fed can't do it, but the evidence says he can and his tennis level is great right now. I think it's more likely he wins 2 than 0.

And Fed himself plans to play for next years and he knows his body very well. And he doesn't plan to just make finals.

But, being nr.1, yeah I doubt he can do that. That's probably over, you need 12 weeks of top play vs those young guys. BUT, you can still fluke top form for two weeks and win a major here and there with weak draws.
 
I don't think Nadal will reach Federer's slam count, but if he did it would be nothing short of heroic. After all the injuries and the issues he had in 2015 and 2016 it would be incredible. It would match up well with his combined 18-7 slam H2H against Fed and Djokovic though. Talk about dominance.
 
Depends on two factors really.
Does Fed win more slams? I tend to think it's likely that Roger can pull another slam, possibly two more. I think anything over three would be a little surprising. If Roger wins zero, then I would put Nadal's odds of either catching or passing him at about 75%. If Roger wins one, I'd say it's likely they end up tied. If Roger wins two or more , he's the clear favorite.

How long does Rafa's dominance at Roland Garros last? Barring an injury, there is almost certainly one more slam win here. Very likely at least two. I see little reason to think three is unreasonable. I believe I read Kuerten said Nadal could win 15 Roland Garros titles. If true, that already puts Nadal at 21 grand slams.
 
I don't think Nadal will reach Federer's slam count, but if he did it would be nothing short of heroic. After all the injuries and the issues he had in 2015 and 2016 it would be incredible. It would match up well with his combined 18-7 slam H2H against Fed and Djokovic though. Talk about dominance.

Yeah, it would be interesting. It would be hard work beating talent.

Maybe you guys deserve some glory. Fed had the slam count for 8 years now, we had plenty of time to celebrate and get drunk, it's your turn.

Maybe you guys will have the last laugh.

But even if Rafa does it, I already have excuses lined up. Competition on HC was much tougher than competiton on grass and clay. So, Fed's titles have more value on HC. Not unreasonable to say.

And Nadal can't defend title on HC, this proves how tough competition is there. And the fact that Rafa didn't win a HC title for years till USO. And he had really weak draw there, to be honest.
 
Yeah, it would be interesting. It would be hard work beating talent.

Maybe you guys deserve some glory. Fed had the slam count for 8 years now, we had plenty of time to celebrate and get drunk, it's your turn.

Maybe you guys will have the last laugh.

But even if Rafa does it, I already have excuses lined up. Competition on HC was much tougher than competiton on grass and clay. So, Fed's titles have more value on HC. Not unreasonable to say.

And Nadal can't defend title on HC, this proves how tough competition is there. And the fact that Rafa didn't win a HC title for years till USO. And he had really weak draw there, to be honest.

The others are right.

You are just another vamosalaplayan.

8-)
 
Yeah, it would be interesting. It would be hard work beating talent.

Maybe you guys deserve some glory. Fed had the slam count for 8 years now, we had plenty of time to celebrate and get drunk, it's your turn.

Maybe you guys will have the last laugh.

But even if Rafa does it, I already have excuses lined up. Competition on HC was much tougher than competiton on grass and clay. So, Fed's titles have more value on HC. Not unreasonable to say.

And Nadal can't defend title on HC, this proves how tough competition is there. And the fact that Rafa didn't win a HC title for years till USO. And he had really weak draw there, to be honest.
Federer has 2 HC slams and 1 grass slam every year to 1 clay slam for Nadal, and still the slam count is very close. Not to mention Nadal has 4 HC slams and has beaten both Fed and Djokovic in HC slam finals. Then you add the injuries, and it's nothing short of amazing.
 
He says “I trust he will endure enough to break Federer's record of 19 Grand Slams."


https://www.express.co.uk/sport/ten...nd-Slams-Roger-Federer-Toni-Nadal-Tennis-News

I am hoping it's a bad translation from Spanish. Toni should know better.

He also implies that Fed won because Djok and Murray were not around.

Now that some serious BS
“This year, there have been circumstances,” he added.

“Djokovic has not been at his best, [Andy] Murray either, Wawrinka has had more problems and also [Kei] Nishikori and Raonic.
“I do not want to take away from what Federer and Rafa have done last season, but when Djokovic won everything he also said that he was lucky he had not come up against the best Rafa and Federer.

“That helped him and Rafa has also been helped by these circumstances.”
now that's some serious misrepresentation, when you left out he said the same for Rafa
 
Well his nephew is reasonably close in slam count, there are no young prospects in sight (certainly not on clay, what is new) and Fed is bound to lose steam and stop defying age at some point so I wouldn't say it's outlandish.

That said, Fed will remain the better player for me regardless of the slam count.
agree on everything here
All it is going to take is for Djokovic to snap back into gear, and then watch how everyone changes their tune.
do you expect that to happen? I've honestly got no clue as to whether he will or not. I do expect him to get back to a higher level than Muzz though
You are right, a fan is a strong word. I prefer his style. I'm not into hero worship, it has always been strange to me. Ok, so those guys can hit a ball , big deal.

I would school them at table tennis and I'm a newb there. Talking about skills, they should try table tennis. You don't have time to react and you have very small rackets.
good one!
 
The others are right.

You are just another vamosalaplayan.

:cool:
Ok, so if Rafa beats the count, it's not hard work beating talent? So, you think Nadal is more talented than Federer if he beats the slam count?

Now we see who the real vamosplayan is haha. You aren't fooling anybody amigo.

True Fed fan would never say Rafa is more talented.
 
Ok, so if Rafa beats the count, it's not hard work beating talent? So, you think Nadal is more talented than Federer if he beats the slam count?

Now we see who the real vamosplayan is haha. You aren't fooling anybody amigo.

True Fed fan would never say Rafa is more talented.
Exactly.
 
Ok, so if Rafa beats the count, it's not hard work beating talent? So, you think Nadal is more talented than Federer if he beats the slam count?

Now we see who the real vamosplayan is haha. You aren't fooling anybody amigo.

True Fed fan would never say Rafa is more talented.
You can argue with intellects,ignorant people ,but don't try to argue with people who never accept their flawed logic and whose hero worship is foolishly insane, it's just waste of time.
 
Of course competition will be tougher if 75% of tennis is played on HC.

So, yeah for this reason alone I think Fed has higher quality titles.

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and corollary is competition would be easiest on grass as only 5% tennis is played on Grass. Lets strip FED of all these 8 easy gets.
 
You can argue with intellects,ignorant people ,but don't try to argue with people who never accept their flawed logic and whose hero worship is foolishly insane, it's just waste of time.

Well, I consider this more like friendly banter, and not really a debate, it's just an online forum and tennis is not a game, so it's for fun.

Also, even if I was debating, it's not a waste of time. Because you can convince others who are reading and are more neutral.

Why do scientists debate crazy people? They won't win, but it's for the people who watch so those people won't get mislead.
 
and corollary is competition would be easiest on grass as only 5% tennis is played on Grass. Lets strip FED of all these 8 easy gets.
Yeah, I said competition is also easier on grass, did you miss that part?

Yeah, technically grass would be weaker than clay since it's only 5%, but due to faster surface and more prestige, the competition there is a bit tougher than you would expect for surface that is only 5% represented there.
 
You expect 3 more slams from a 36 year old guy who has only won 3 in the past 7 years? 2017 should still be considered an anomaly based off of his age and “lack” of titles this decade. Not saying it can’t happen especially if he has a good 2018 but those are some ridiculous expectations.

First of all I hope they teach you the difference between ‘prediction’ and ‘expectation’ in college. The latter implies an investment in an outcome, which you are inferring, incorrectly of course, whereas the first is simply stating one’s version of the statistical odds.

Now, back to the crux of your argument.

> ...anomaly based off his age

The guy’s entire career is an anomaly!

When he was 29 everyone said, “it’s hard to win slams after 30”

When he was expecting their first child they said “no one’s won after becoming a dad”

When he took 2016 off they said “no one has come back from surgery at his age to win anything but exos and 250s”

Now you’re saying he’s too old to win more slams. Have you seen the competition? Have you seen how he’s playing? Has anyone seen a guy more happy, relaxed and playing at this level at his age?

I’ll borrow Agassi’s words on Roger : “Roger’s proven me wrong so many times. Nothing he does surprises me, he just continually impresses me”. He predicts Roger can play 4,5 years easy. If he does, there is no way he sticking around without being a threat at slams.

Finally, as for ‘anything can happen, he can get injured’. Of course anything can happen in tennis! Nobody thought Djokovic would hit a brick wall the way he was going. But **** always happens.

Until then enjoy the Roger show! :)

Tagging you too @fedtennisphan
 
I don't care what those pros say, they just want to get rid of the press and are board of goat questions, they don't care, it shows.

Anyway, if Rafa ends up with the slam count, I can't wait to see how this forum will explode.

After all this brilliance and consistency and avoiding injuries and longevity Fed ending up without the slam count. That would be quite a blow for his fans.
Not really. Rafa will load up on clay slams in order to get the slam count. Impressive, but kind of hollow.
 
Depends on two factors really.
Does Fed win more slams? I tend to think it's likely that Roger can pull another slam, possibly two more. I think anything over three would be a little surprising. If Roger wins zero, then I would put Nadal's odds of either catching or passing him at about 75%. If Roger wins one, I'd say it's likely they end up tied. If Roger wins two or more , he's the clear favorite.

How long does Rafa's dominance at Roland Garros last? Barring an injury, there is almost certainly one more slam win here. Very likely at least two. I see little reason to think three is unreasonable. I believe I read Kuerten said Nadal could win 15 Roland Garros titles. If true, that already puts Nadal at 21 grand slams.
Two certainly seems reasonable.Five? Even winning one every year that means winning the last one at 37 or nearly so(haven't looked up his birthday).That seems a lot to ask,even for him.
 
5 more FO don't seem possible. Unless Nadal gets lucky with a 4th mug USO draw.

Federer will add to his tally.
 
Two certainly seems reasonable.Five? Even winning one every year that means winning the last one at 37 or nearly so(haven't looked up his birthday).That seems a lot to ask,even for him.

Agreed. That was Kuerten's view, not mine. I tend to think anything beyond 13 would be extremely difficult because decline is inevitable and eventually there will be some new player(s) who is too much.
 
"I will not coach Nadal any more".

"Federer is the greatest of all time/better than Nadal".

"Nadal has utmost respect for Federer".

"I will not be actively involved with Nadal's career any more".

"Winning at any price was never important".

Just a couple of uncle Phony's many statements.

Oh, and, as though even if that come to pass anything will change about who Federer and who Nadal really is.

:cool:

Hmm. I didn't find this quotes in the article linked to OP.
 
This has been going on for more than ten years, but the top of it was last year when Rafito appeared in the final with his knee taped.

The tape was not seen before or after this in any other near matches.

That development is rivaled only by his sabbaticals due to family problems ( are they also no more? I don’t follow as closely as I perhaps should for the full experience, lol).

:cool:

@TMF
Your comrade is making fun of Rafa's injuries.
 
Ok, so if Rafa beats the count, it's not hard work beating talent? So, you think Nadal is more talented than Federer if he beats the slam count?

Now we see who the real vamosplayan is haha. You aren't fooling anybody amigo.

True Fed fan would never say Rafa is more talented.

You put forward an argument that many vamosalaplayans did before and made the same mistake, which is twofold.

One, none of the said group had ever managed to provide a proof that Nadal works harder than Federer.

It is a speculation that for the vamosalaplayans just "is".

Two, you are quick to award Nadal ("beats"), when except for the scenario I already outlined, it would still mean that Nadal is better than Federer only on clay.

Again, a conclusion typical for a brainless Nadal drone.

Have fun with yet another "personality".

Too bad that so much work went down the drain, but you have nothing better to do anyway.

:cool:
 
I don't think Nadal can break 26 slams. And Federer of course may win even more Cincy Majors.

Also, I heard that when comparing with Laver people count WTF titles as major titles also.

So, no way Rafa breaks Fed's major count. Fed is safe.
 
I don't see them posting a picture of Nadal in agony on court, do you?
What you posted a picture of Wawrinka in severe pain is not funny, but rather heartless.

You don't understand the poster you are talking to.

That thing neither cares about Nadal, nor whether he is healthy or not.

The whole story is just a vehicle for incessant trolling and having something to do.

That it why it is here 24/7.

8-)
 
You put forward an argument that many vamosalaplayans did before and made the same mistake, which is twofold.

One, none of the said group had ever managed to provide a proof that Nadal works harder than Federer.

It is a speculation that for the vamosalaplayans just "is".

Two, you are quick to award Nadal ("beats"), when except for the scenario I already outlined, it would still mean that Nadal is better than Federer only on clay.

Again, a conclusion typical for a brainless Nadal drone.

Have fun with yet another "personality".

Too bad that so much work went down the drain, but you have nothing better to do anyway.

:cool:
Of course it is proven Rafa needs to work harder. Do you see his matches? He needs to run more. And using that topspin takes so much effort.

How about needing more time to finish his matches?

Well at least I'm not a probe or an scv.
 
Nadal is 2 slams behind federer

He's three slams behind Fed and even one slam at his age will be enormous. I have no worry that Nadal will pass or tie Fed in the slam count. If people bothered to look at tennis history in the Open era, the men who have won slams after 30 are a tiny number. Even more delusional are people thinking Novak will pass Fed. Yeah...8 more slams after 31. :rolleyes:
 
Of course it is proven Rafa needs to work harder. Do you see his matches? He needs to run more. And using that topspin takes so much effort.

How about needing more time to finish his matches?

Well at least I'm not a probe or an scv.

"Runs more"

"Needing more time to finish his matches".

Yep, that is what defines hard work.

Good riddance.

8-)
 
Well, it's pretty obvious for anyone that hard work means that you need to expand more energy and time.

What the hell do you think it means ?

You are talking about tennis, so the hard work should be related to the development of tennis skills, efficiency, etc.

You think that Federer is able to play tennis the way he does just by "feeling"?

Federer needed years to develop that style.

His scheduling, work ethic, commitment and training are legendary.

That is hard work when it comes to tennis.

But let's switch to more trivial measure.

Federer has around 330 matches more than Nadal on the tour.

He has massive advantage when his wins against the top 10 players are compared to Nadal's.

He has sustained dominance.

That is hard work.

Now, back to your cave.

:cool:
 
You are talking about tennis, so the hard work should be related to the development of tennis skills, efficiency, etc.

You think that Federer is able to play tennis the way he does just by "feeling"?

Federer needed years to develop that style.

His scheduling, work ethic, commitment and training are legendary.

That is hard work when it comes to tennis.

But let's switch to more trivial measure.

Federer has around 330 matches more than Nadal on the tour.

He has massive advantage when his wins against the top 10 players are compared to Nadal's.

He has sustained dominance.

That is hard work.

Now, back to your cave.

:cool:
Before we go on, who are you and what do you want? Are you Rafa or Nole or Fed fan?
Also, what are you even arguing? That Rafa is more talented than Federer, becuse Federer works more?

So, what is your main point? What would be the implications of Rafa being more talented? How does this relate to what Toni is saying?
 
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He's three slams behind Fed and even one slam at his age will be enormous. I have no worry that Nadal will pass or tie Fed in the slam count. If people bothered to look at tennis history in the Open era, the men who have won slams after 30 are a tiny number. Even more delusional are people thinking Novak will pass Fed. Yeah...8 more slams after 31. :rolleyes:
That's why I said it's one of the possibilities, not a certainty. Other possibilities being Fed winning more or Nadal having injury issues and that would settle the count in Fed's favor. I just didn't think I needed to list them all.
And like I said, any prediction of Nadal winning two more last year after turning 30 would have been considered even more incredulous, but that's what happened. It's even more recent history. It's hard to predict, and even harder with exceptional athletes like the top players.
 
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