Top 10 American clay court players in the open era?

SamprasisGOAT

Professional
1. Jim Courier
2. Jimmy Connors
3. Andre Agassi
4. John McEnroe
5. Michael chang
6. Pete Sampras
7.Harold soloman
8. Eddie Dibbs
9. Jack sock
10. John isner


anyone I’m missing here?

and do you agree with my order?
 

bluetrain4

G.O.A.T.
Sock and Isner?

Vitas Gerulaitis needs to be there somewhere. Arthur Ashe too. Ashe's career straddled pre-Open and Open era, but he did enough on clay in the Open Era to certainly be ahead of Sock and Isner
 
Arias needs to be on there. Won the Italian Open, US Claycourts, finalist at Monte Carlo, QF at the French

Krickstein was a finalist at Rome and Monte Carlo, guess that’s better than Sock and Isner

Gottfried was a finalist at the 77 French

Todd Martin won Barcelona in ‘98
 
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Xavier G

Hall of Fame
Clay court rankings, ok, so I'd say:

Courier
Agassi
Connors
Chang
McEnroe
Gerulaitis
Arias
Dibbs
Solomon
Ashe
 
Ranking Connors 2nd is absurd. He did well at the U.S Open on green clay, but that is not traditional European clay. He mostly avoided European clay, even when his ban at RG ended, and contrary to what some believe he was never likely to win RG even if he played it from 74-78. He never reached a RG final despite playing it many years while still in his prime.

Chang should be over both Connors and McEnroe. He reached the finals of RG twice. The 84 French was close to McEnroe's only ever really good tournament on clay, and that was during his god mode of tennis period.

1. Courier
2. Agassi
3. Chang
------big gap-------
4. Connors
5. Gerulaitis
6. McEnroe
7. Gottfried
8. Arias
9. Sampras
10. Dibbs

Wow American men are weak on clay.
 

KG1965

Legend
Ranking Connors 2nd is absurd. He did well at the U.S Open on green clay, but that is not traditional European clay. He mostly avoided European clay, even when his ban at RG ended, and contrary to what some believe he was never likely to win RG even if he played it from 74-78. He never reached a RG final despite playing it many years while still in his prime.

Chang should be over both Connors and McEnroe. He reached the finals of RG twice. The 84 French was close to McEnroe's only ever really good tournament on clay, and that was during his god mode of tennis period.

1. Courier
2. Agassi
3. Chang
------big gap-------
4. Connors
5. Gerulaitis
6. McEnroe
7. Gottfried
8. Arias
9. Sampras
10. Dibbs

Wow American men are weak on clay.
If tennis on clay is only the French ..ok.

If tennis is something else, there are some considerations to make:
1) the clearly best american player on red clay was McEnroe in 1984, although he didn't win in Paris,
2) Chang has only reached 2 finals in the RG but in the other clay tournaments it has not been seen,
3) Agassi a little better but nothing striking
4) reduce Connors to red clay only (and by the way he did not participate in 5 RG, I don't think he would have won but he would have 100% participated in 4 quarterfinals without counting har tru is a bit ... shameful) if you decide to remove the performance on har tru it is necessary to make another list only har tru and Connors would be the "Har tru GOAT"...
5) if we also consider the tournaments on har tru Connors, Jimmy is at least 2nd behind Courier.
6) Jim Courier can be number one even if he has dominated only two years (Rome + Paris).

Final thoughts on all red clay + har tru tournaments (not just slam):
- number 1 Courier.
- the best player seen is McEnroe (1984 peak).
- if we think even just 5 minutes, the clearly better player was Connors (1 slam, 2 slam finals, a flood of semifinals, many Masters 1000 comparable, and if he participated every year in 2 tournaments on red clay many other hypothetical placements).

In other words, the question I try to ask is the following: who is the best?
- the player who has achieved the best achievements?
- the player who gave the sensation of reaching a level of play that nobody has ever reached?
- the player who in 10-15 years gave the feeling of being the best?
 
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BTURNER

Legend
1. Jim Courier
2. Jimmy Connors
3. Andre Agassi
4. John McEnroe
5. Michael chang
6. Pete Sampras
7.Harold soloman
8. Eddie Dibbs
9. Jack sock
10. John isner


anyone I’m missing here?

and do you agree with my order?
1. Jim Courier
2. Jimmy Connors
3. Andre Agassi
4. John McEnroe
5. Michael chang
6. Pete Sampras
7.Harold soloman
8. Eddie Dibbs
9. Jack sock
10. John isner


anyone I’m missing here?

and do you agree with my order?
"the top ten American clay players of the open era" anyone missing here was the question

Any women, that is what is missing. It would not be hard to find one if you dig real deep in the record books. How does one forget an entire tour full of women played tennis in the Open era? Sometimes people on this board just slay me.
 
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jrepac

Hall of Fame
Ranking Connors 2nd is absurd. He did well at the U.S Open on green clay, but that is not traditional European clay. He mostly avoided European clay, even when his ban at RG ended, and contrary to what some believe he was never likely to win RG even if he played it from 74-78. He never reached a RG final despite playing it many years while still in his prime.

Chang should be over both Connors and McEnroe. He reached the finals of RG twice. The 84 French was close to McEnroe's only ever really good tournament on clay, and that was during his god mode of tennis period.

1. Courier
2. Agassi
3. Chang
------big gap-------
4. Connors
5. Gerulaitis
6. McEnroe
7. Gottfried
8. Arias
9. Sampras
10. Dibbs

Wow American men are weak on clay.
Many would disagree with you....while I can see putting Chang ahead of Connors, since he won RG, 'big gap' is an overstatement. Did you see Chang v. Connors in '91? No big gap existed that day. And, while folks like to go on about how different 'european clay' is, it's still clay, just a bit faster. Connors won many events on Har Tru, beating top clay players of the time. I also might put Mac in front of Gueralitis, but it's close. At his best, Mac could play on any surface and smoked Connors and Lendl on Har Tru.
 

PDJ

G.O.A.T.
"the top ten American clay players of the open era" anyone missing here was the question

Any women, that is what is missing. It would not be hard to find one if you dig real deep in the record books. How does one forget an entire tour full of women played tennis in the Open era? Sometimes people on this board just slay me.
The OP wasn't gender specific. There is only one answer
 

jrepac

Hall of Fame
If tennis is only the French ..ok.


4) reduce Connors to red clay only (and by the way he did not participate in 5 RG, I don't think he would have won but he would have 100% participated in 4 quarterfinals without counting har tru is a bit ... shameful) if you decide to remove the performance on har tru it is necessary to make another list only har tru and Connors would be the "Har tru GOAT"...
5) if we also consider the tournaments on har tru Connors, Jimmy is at least 2nd behind Courier.


Final thoughts on all red clay + har tru tournaments (not just slam):
- number 1 Courier.
- the best player seen is McEnroe (1984 peak).
- if we think even just 5 minutes, the clearly better player was Connors (1 slam, 2 slam finals, a flood of semifinals, many Masters 1000 comparable, and if he participated every year in 2 tournaments on red clay many other hypothetical placements).

I
I agree w/you....should be overall and on both forms of clay
 
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