Top 10 Players of All time(Men)

Beckerserve

Legend
Federer was in decline because of age since he was 28?
Back before 2010 28 was post peak. Over the past decade science in sport has improved massively allowing players to play much longer in all sports. Lockdown enabled me to watch old matches. I had forgotten how amazing peak Federer was. I had forgotten how unreal Nadal was as well. Both shadows of of what they were. It is why i do not rate Medvedev. Last year he should have taken Nadal to the cleaners in 5th set. Fact he ran out of gas is tragic at his age.
 

Street

Semi-Pro
Back before 2010 28 was post peak. Over the past decade science in sport has improved massively allowing players to play much longer in all sports. Lockdown enabled me to watch old matches. I had forgotten how amazing peak Federer was. I had forgotten how unreal Nadal was as well. Both shadows of of what they were. It is why i do not rate Medvedev. Last year he should have taken Nadal to the cleaners in 5th set. Fact he ran out of gas is tragic at his age.
Of course but medicine hasn't magically helped nadal and djokovic but not federer. He is still playing and reaching grand slam finals at 39.
 

Beckerserve

Legend
I still have Laver ahead of Djokovic.
How are people doing this? Australian Open was not a big Major until the 21st Century really so the past generations are at a disadvantage Major wise as they only really cared about 3 Majors as opposed to 4. I would be interested what the Major count is for all players across the oldest 3 Majors.
 

Beckerserve

Legend
Of course but medicine hasn't magically helped nadal and djokovic but not federer. He is still playing and reaching grand slam finals at 39.
I do not think Nadal and Djokovic are anywhere near their best days. Djokovic 2011 would not have struggled like yesterday physically.
 

King No1e

G.O.A.T.
1. Laver
2. Federer
3. Rosewall
4. Djokovic
5. Nadal
6. Sampras
7. Borg
7. Connors (tie)
9. Lendl
10. Agassi
Followed by Mac, Wilander, Edberg, and Newk.
 

Street

Semi-Pro
I do not think Nadal and Djokovic are anywhere near their best days. Djokovic 2011 would not have struggled like yesterday physically.
Of course they aren't but you can't delete somebody's losses because they're old, i'm still refering to that win loss ratio in the finals of slams, of course. Also, your list seems a bit biased, with becker better than agassi, connors, lendl and mcenroe. I don't think anyone here would agree with that. But as i said, it is all subjective so let's agree to disagree. :)
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
How are people doing this? Australian Open was not a big Major until the 21st Century really so the past generations are at a disadvantage Major wise as they only really cared about 3 Majors as opposed to 4. I would be interested what the Major count is for all players across the oldest 3 Majors.
I don't judge the player's placement in all-time-great base on only about the major count. Major is the #1 criteria, but there are other criteria that are also important too. Laver has accomplished much more than just his performances & results at the majors.
 

clout

Hall of Fame
1. Federer
2. Nadal
3. Djokovic
4. Laver
5. Sampras
6. Borg
7. Connors
8. Lendl
9. Agassi
10. McEnroe

I don’t really know where to put guys like Gonzales and Rosewall
 

Beckerserve

Legend
Becker somewhere in the mix with Edberg and Newcombe, I suppose. Beyond that I don't consider them ATG's. (Even though we can debate between Murray, Courier, and Vilas for days)
Really? I have Becker and Courier as ATGs for sure. Both unlucky to have Sampras at his peak to deal with
 

Beckerserve

Legend
Of course they aren't but you can't delete somebody's losses because they're old, i'm still refering to that win loss ratio in the finals of slams, of course. Also, your list seems a bit biased, with becker better than agassi, connors, lendl and mcenroe. I don't think anyone here would agree with that. But as i said, it is all subjective so let's agree to disagree. :)
Becker remember had an awful lot of pressure off court to deal with . People forget that. He was one of only a select few to transcend the sport.
 

Street

Semi-Pro
Becker remember had an awful lot of pressure off court to deal with . People forget that. He was one of only a select few to transcend the sport.
Well, a lot of players have had a lot of pressure off court. I, personally, wouldn't put it as a meaningful fact for an all time great list placing. Also, i'm not sure what you mean when you say he "transcended" the sport because you can say that for any ATG. Still, i respect your opinion.
 

Beckerserve

Legend
Well, a lot of players have had a lot of pressure off court. I, personally, wouldn't put it as a meaningful fact for an all time great list placing. Also, i'm not sure what you mean when you say he "transcended" the sport because you can say that for any ATG. Still, i respect your opinion.
Becker was big in every country. Only Borg, Nadal and Federer and Agassi have had that kind of adulation, and perhaps Mcenroe. Connors for me was better than Mcenroe but he did not transcend the sport like Mcenroe did.
 

Beckerserve

Legend
I think I've answered both ways before on TTW. It's virtually a tie but I'd go with Murray by a hair. The Olympic record sets him slightly above.
Yeah think id agree plus he got Wimbledon the biggest Major. Preferred courier though as a player. Loved that off FH. Funnily enough Djokovic seems to have developed that shot more in his armoury this year.
 

Street

Semi-Pro
Becker was big in every country. Only Borg, Nadal and Federer and Agassi have had that kind of adulation, and perhaps Mcenroe. Connors for me was better than Mcenroe but he did not transcend the sport like Mcenroe did.
Oh, so you're taking popularity as an important factor on how good a tennis player is?

Well, i couldn't disagree more with that and i think the vast majority of this board doesn't take popularity in consideration since it doesn't have much to do with a player's tennis skills.
 

Third Serve

Talk Tennis Guru
1. Fed
2. Rafa
3. Novak

If Novak wins this USO, he's 2. in front of Rafa.

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My thoughts too. Aside from the Slams, he leads Nadal in most other categories. But a two-Slam deficit is a little much. A one-Slam deficit, on the other hand...
 

ptennisb

Rookie
No offense, but you must be about 13 years old. McEnroe with 7 slams and a season like 1984 is placed below Becker and Edberg with 6 slams? No Jimbo? No Andre? It's laughably bad.

No words for this hot mess of a list. And the sheer idiocy of placing Djokovic above Federer speaks volumes about the level of your idolatry and complete lack of objectivity or tennis knowledge. Try better next time.
Not going to lie, there is some recency bias, but I feel like becker and edberg just took the game to new heights.
 

Beckerserve

Legend
Oh, so you're taking popularity as an important factor on how good a tennis player is?

Well, i couldn't disagree more with that and i think the vast majority of this board doesn't take popularity in consideration since it doesn't have much to do with a player's tennis skills.
Not popularity as such but putting the sport to a wider audience. I do feel its important. Personal opinion though. I suppose though by that logic Federer needs to replace Nadal at the top of my list. They are interchangeable anyway i suppose depending on mood.
 

Dan Lobb

G.O.A.T.
I watched Laver, Borg etc. many times when I was a boy. What players can do today, they could not imagine. They are on the list for historical reasons. If you send Dzumhur by time machine to 1968 (each playe with own equipment), he would beat Laver easily. Play that is common today was impossible then; players over 6ft could not walk etc.
Of course, the players have to use the same equipment. You don't compare the jumbo racquets of today with the wood racquets of pre-2000.
 

Dan Lobb

G.O.A.T.
1. Nadal ( most Majors at 34 most m1000s and Olympic Gold and has won at least two Majors on each surface which is unique out of Big 3. The FO record itself automatically would have him top 3. )
2. Federer ( took the game to new heights, amazing longevity and unlucky no m1000s on grass. But for Federer unlikely we would have had the joys of Nadal)
3. Borg (the guy who made tennis big time and ushered in professionalism. But for Borg the sport may have been still relatively obscure rather than the billion pound industry it is now)
4. Sampras (hardest era ever which he totally dominated)
5. Djokovic ( arguably should be top of the pile but has a comparatively average win loss ratio in Major finals compared to the above 4 and has dominated the 4th Major, a Major the likes of Borg and Sampras were not that interested in)
6. Becker (revolutionised European tennis and took the power from America and the youngest ever winner at Wimbledon will be remembered arguably longer than anything else and at his best was the complete player)
7. Agassi (the Golden Slam, one of only two to manage it)
8. Connors (awesome player and unlucky to be same era as Borg otherwise would have won many more Majors)
9. Mcenroe ( defined Borg in some ways and was the bridesmaid to Borg but was part of the duo who made tennis big time. Plus a great player who had he won FO may have been top of pile)
10. Edberg (beckers great rival and traded Majors with him. Best serve volleyer of all time)
11. Lendl (should be much higher but no Wimbledon, the biggest pot in the game means he has to be below the above)

I have not included Laver as the game was different plus i have never seen him play but of course he is a legend in his own right.
You have Borg and Connors, who used wood...no reason not to include Laver.
 

Beckerserve

Legend
Actually, I give no credibility to a ranking where the person choosing has not played against the listed players.
Yes the players are best judges. Agassi Sharapova have openly stated Nadal as GOAT which does colour ones opinion, especially agassi view as he played all of big three i think
 

StannisTheMannis

Hall of Fame
My goodness you can just feel the palpable rage in this thread when Novak surpasses Federer’s major achievements and is undeniably the greatest ever. Most slams, most key titles, YE number 1s, weeks at number 1. Everything Federer’s legacy was built upon will be surpassed. Not by some mythical beast a 100 years later but by one of his own contemporaries. I can not wait.
 

Tennisfan339

Professional
I found this top-20 on a canadian website (made a few months ago) but I mostly agree with these choices, so I thought I could share it here.

Here is the list.
1) Federer
2) Nadal
3) Djokovic
4) Laver
5) Sampras
6) Borg
7) Connors
8) Lendl
9) McEnroe
10 Agassi

11) Rosewall
12) Willander
13) Becker
14) Edberg
15) Vilas
16) Ashe
17) Newcombe
18) Courier
19) Nastase
20) Kuerten
 

James P

G.O.A.T.
I found this top-20 on a canadian website (made a few months ago) but I mostly agree with these choices, so I thought I could share it here.

Here is the list.
1) Federer
2) Nadal
3) Djokovic
4) Laver
5) Sampras
6) Borg
7) Connors
8) Lendl
9) McEnroe
10 Agassi

11) Rosewall
12) Willander
13) Becker
14) Edberg
15) Vilas
16) Ashe
17) Newcombe
18) Courier
19) Nastase
20) Kuerten
Murray doesn't even make a top 20 list? Oof!
 

tudwell

Legend
1. Djokovic - BOAT, GOAT, MOAT, etc.
2. Murray - Second best player during the deepest era of all time.
3. Nadal - One of peak Djokovic’s toughest rivals.
4. Borg - Second-best peak Elo of all time, though played in an era with much reduced prize money.
5. McEnroe - Another massive peak Elo rating.
6. Lendl - Great consistency and domination in a deep era. Really racked up the wins against top-ten players.
7. Sampras - A little inconsistent but you can’t deny 6 straight YE#1s. No losing H2Hs against his biggest rivals.
8. Connors - Great consistency and longevity, though not as good as Djokovic’s of course.
9. Agassi - Won all four slams, plus the WTF and Olympics. Best Masters player until Djokovic/Nadal.
10. Laver - Honorary nod to the best of the wool pants era.

Federer would probably be somewhere in the 11-20 range. Great player, but there’s no denying he got the vast majority of his achievements in the weakest era of all time. Would easily put him up there with the likes of William Renshaw and H.L. Doherty.
 
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