Discussion in 'Odds & Ends' started by mcpon, Jan 3, 2008.
The Donald's reaction to the list:
The noun, rigor mortis.
There is no argumentation for that. This sort of lists simply tends to reveal the prejudice of those who make them. Just from a logical standpoint, the World has been moving towards (and molded into) the shape of Western Europe, and Western Europe has been shaped by the values of Christianity. Whether you like them or not, facts are facts.
I didn't have Jesus on my list at all. The only reason why Muhammed is on my list so high is because he is responsible for bringing about a brand new world power. And Cyrus II was largely responsible for the emergence of Second Temple Judaism when he let the Jews go back to Judea and Christianity started off as a sect of it. Jewish exclusive monotheism came about through Second temple Judaism and both Christianity and Islam are monotheisms.
I don’t get the ”Jewish exclusive monotheism came about through second temple Judaism...”?
Are you saying Jews were polytheists before that?
Essentially, yes. That is why the Old Testament prophets were so angry because most of the Jews worshiped other gods, such as Baal, etc. maybe or maybe not, along with Yahweh, lol.
Lol, sorry. You wrote jewish, not judaism. I understand your point. Because if you adhere to Judaism as religion, there is only one God. You are referring to heretic jews from a Judaism perspective.
Burr has issues with 17 and 66
Oh, I don't buy into that list anymore, lol. That was my old list, so I'm not going to defend it, lol. Sorry. As for Nietzsche, I don't know about him at all, lol.
Why 100? Why not 99 or 101?
Was the 100th guy just there to round up the list, or was he really one place less important than the 99th...and how do you determine the placement...human, their fascination with list and grading is really a bizarre condition.
What a peculiar list, for example what did the Marquis of Shen or Francis Russell do to make the list?
Lol, they were just haphazardly ranked. I just went with my feeling but I feel that everybody there were more influential than the people ranked below him or her.
The number 100 just seemed like a nice number to end it. I had to pick a number, so I picked that one even though numbers like 101 or 99 don't get much love when it comes to lists, lol.
I was going for diversity with the list, lol. That's why people like Rousseau, Hume, Confucius, Al-Ghazali, Descartes, etc. were left out because I didn't want to over-inflate the amount of philosophers on the list. Same thing with Copernicus, Faraday, William Gilbert, Galileo, Fritz Haber, etc., with their respective fields, lol.
For example, William the Conqueror beats out Matthew Prior any day because all Prior is essentially on my list is because he is credited with helping to popularize the name Emma, a very common name during many periods of time in the 20th century and William the Conqueror was a major reason for why the name William became so common besides being largely responsible for the emergence of the Westminster model of government, the rivalry between England and France, how subsequent English surnames came about, a huge contributor to the English language through the French loanwords, etc. But I already have too many British/UK people on my list, so I left him out just like how I left out Washington for the same reason. If you already have too many people on my list, then I usually leave out top political figures, lol.
Marquess of Shen, according to a highly regarded Han historian wrote that he was the one that with some others killed the Zhou king, which ushered in the Eastern Zhou period of Chinese history, and that the new Zhou king moved his capital and his power began to drastically dwindle in the new capital until he basically had no power and the officials in his court lost their jobs and had to hire themselves out as advisers, which led to all of these different schools of thought to emerge such as Confucianism, Daoism, Legalism, etc. And because the Zhou king lost most of his authority, the power of aristocrats rose and rose which led to the Warring States period. One of these aristocrats conquered the other major states and ushered in the imperial series of dyansties of China.
Francis Russell was supposedly largely responsible for males having short hair as hairstyles in Western influenced parts of the world.
This is a very interesting (and fringe) interpretation of facts. The impact of Christianity on the world is huge. More than any other religion in the past 2000 years, for sure. Europe (and America) have histories that are intrinsically tied to Christianity, and the World has been Europeized (if you will) for the most part, if in no other way than in customs at the very least.
I do have Christianity on my list, at the very top (top 3) but my guy is Cyrus II, lol.
And the Bible has him as a Messiah, lol.
Exactly! Would there be tourism if there weren't all those cathedrals to visit?
Christianity and Islam, fighting, lol. What with terrorism, and previously with the Crusades, lol. Abraham must be so proud, lol.
It doesn't say the most corrupt capitalists.
Founder of modern Turkish Republic, Mustafa Kemal Ataturk.
“The most valuable and interesting statesman in all of Europe does not live in Europe today, but beyond the Bosphorus, he lives in Ankara.”
— Franklin Delano Roosevelt
“Ataturk’s death is not only a loss for the country, but for Europe is the greatest loss, he who saved Turkey in the war and who revived a new the Turkish nation after the war. The sincere tears shed after him by all classes of people is nothing other than an appropriate manifestation to this great hero and modern Turkey’s Ata.”
— Winston Churchill
FDR and Churchill in those quotes were not so much as praising Ataturk, as they were about keeping on putting on a positive light on the office of the statesman, as people's perceptions is very important when it comes to profession in the spotlight. The entertainment business does this all of the time, lol.
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