Top 4 Draws RG 2020

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TripleATeam

G.O.A.T.
Djokovic:
R128: Ymer
R64: Berankis
R32: Hurkacz
R16: Khachanov
QF: Bautista Agut/Berrettini
SF: Medvedev/Tsitsipas
F: Nadal/Thiem

Nadal:
R128: Gerasimov
R64: McDonald
R32: Evans
R16: Fognini/Isner
QF: Zverev
SF: Thiem
F: Djokovic

Medvedev:
R128: Fucsovics
R64: Ramos-Vinolas
R32: Basilashvili
R16: Lajovic/Rublev
QF: Tsitsipas/Shapo
SF: Djokovic
F: Nadal/Thiem

Thiem:
R128: Cilic
R64: Opelka
R32: Ruud
R16: Wawrinka/Murray/FAA
QF: Schwartzman
SF: Nadal
F: Djokovic

Bonus-
Zverev:
R128: Novak
R64: Herbert
R32: De Minaur
R16: Goffin
QF: Nadal
SF: Thiem
F: Djokovic
 
StrongRule said:
In other words, all players have a tough draw except Djokovic.
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Difficulty of draws in my opinion:

Djokovic - 3/10. Best draw he could have hoped for in the late stages. Unfortunately still got Bautista Agut in the QF, but he's not even a lock to get that far, and Khachanov and Hurkacz are dangerous floaters. That being said, they'll take a set at most. The only one I'm even slightly worried about for Novak is RBA.

Nadal - 8/10. With a couple more dangerous floaters, would be 10/10. As difficult 2nd week as was possible, with Fog/Isner as dangerous R16 opponents. Should crush R128-R32 though.

Medvedev - 5/10. Those are some tough names, but Tsitsipas/Shapo on clay isn't the hardest. However he will need to go through Djokovic/Nadal back to back, and his 1st week isn't super easy with Fucsovics, ARV, and Lajovic/Rublev in it.

Thiem - 8/10. Nadal/Djokovic SF and F, really dangerous R16 and QF, two big servers in R128 and R64, and a clay courter in R32. Generally no breaks in that draw. Maybe R16 might not be so bad.

Zverev - 9/10. Tougher than Nadal's because he has to go through Nadal.
 
StrongRule said:
He deserves a reward because he broke the rules? What kind of logic is that? :rolleyes:

His USO draw was also the easiest possible.
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No deserves easy draw at RG, because he was robbed off an obvious title, because USO officials had an agenda against him and wanted him removed, so they punished him for smallest trivial thing possible!...
 
Goddamn Thiem's draw is a literal hell. But Zverev's might be even harder now that I've looked at it.

Nadal's draw looks fairly tough too.

Med's draw looks decent but not so bad.

Djoker's draw is clearly the easiest of the bunch.
 
Third Serve said:
Goddamn Thiem's draw is a literal hell. But Zverev's might be even harder now that I've looked at it.

Nadal's draw looks fairly tough too.

Med's draw looks decent but not so bad.

Djoker's draw is clearly the easiest of the bunch.
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Nadal's draw is also hell with in-form Zverev and Thiem back to back. Djokovic's half reminds me of a 250 tournament.
 
TripleATeam said:
Wawrinka:
R128: Murray
R64: Koepfer
R32: FAA
R16: Thiem
QF: Schwartzman
SF: Nadal
F: Djokovic

Now that's a hell draw if I've ever seen one. Koepfer has been dangerous in the last weeks, Murray is a multi-GS champ, and FAA is an up-and-coming youngster. Thiem, Schwartz, Nadal, and Djokovic need no explanation.
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Holy, could this get any harder? If Wawrinka pulls it off a 2nd time, it will be probably the most deserved GS win of all time.
 
TripleATeam said:
Wawrinka:
R128: Murray
R64: Koepfer
R32: FAA
R16: Thiem
QF: Schwartzman
SF: Nadal
F: Djokovic

Now that's a hell draw if I've ever seen one. Koepfer has been dangerous in the last weeks, Murray is a multi-GS champ, and FAA is an up-and-coming youngster. Thiem, Schwartz, Nadal, and Djokovic need no explanation.
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Murray is pretty done really. If it will be close, the reason will be Stan sucking.
 
TripleATeam said:
Difficulty of draws in my opinion:

Djokovic - 3/10. Best draw he could have hoped for in the late stages. Unfortunately still got Bautista Agut in the QF, but he's not even a lock to get that far, and Khachanov and Hurkacz are dangerous floaters. That being said, they'll take a set at most. The only one I'm even slightly worried about for Novak is RBA.

Nadal - 8/10. With a couple more dangerous floaters, would be 10/10. As difficult 2nd week as was possible, with Fog/Isner as dangerous R16 opponents. Should crush R128-R32 though.

Medvedev - 5/10. Those are some tough names, but Tsitsipas/Shapo on clay isn't the hardest. However he will need to go through Djokovic/Nadal back to back, and his 1st week isn't super easy with Fucsovics, ARV, and Lajovic/Rublev in it.

Thiem - 8/10. Nadal/Djokovic SF and F, really dangerous R16 and QF, two big servers in R128 and R64, and a clay courter in R32. Generally no breaks in that draw. Maybe R16 might not be so bad.

Zverev - 9/10. Tougher than Nadal's because he has to go through Nadal.
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I disagree regarding Nadal’s draw. Up until the semis, I don’t see it as any more difficult than Joker’s. Fognini is not playing well/Isner can’t hurt him on clay. Zverev in the QF is about = Joker’s potential QF vs. Berrettini.

IMO Medvedev has the hardest draw-Fucsovics & Ramos-Vinolas are not easy opponents on clay.
 
Djokovic:
R128: Ymer
R64: Berankis
R32: Hurkacz
R16: Khachanov
QF: Bautista Agut/Berrettini
SF: Medvedev/Tsitsipas
F: Nadal/Thiem

^This is a joke draw. On a hard court the potential Hubert, Hatch, QF trio could be pretty cool, but on clay? I also have a hard time believing either of those two guys will even make it to the semi final. If Nadal had this draw there would literally be 50 threads about what a joke it was already. Between the draw, the balls, the time of year, roof and night matches, this guy has to be heavy, heavy favourite in a way almost as overwhelming as 2016. Hoping Carreno comes though that section and gives us the rematch of the century in the quarter final.

Nadal:
R128: Gerasimov
R64: McDonald
R32: Evans
R16: Fognini/Isner
QF: Zverev
SF: Thiem
F: Djokovic

^I'd imagine/hope it'll be Nishikori in round 3 rather than the disgruntled hobbit, surely? First two rounds are the walk in the park he'll probably be glad for given his lack of time on court so far, but after that (including Fognini, not the first man to ever take him 5 at Roland Garros) I'd say it's about as hard a draw as you could put together on a clay court that doesn't include Nadal himself (give or take Schwartzman)

Medvedev:
R128: Fucsovics
R64: Ramos-Vinolas
R32: Basilashvili
R16: Lajovic/Rublev
QF: Tsitsipas/Shapo
SF: Djokovic
F: Nadal/Thiem

^This guy has never won a match at Roland Garros. If he gets his first this year I will be surprised if he goes too much further. I could see him losing any of those matches, and even if he strings together a few with his experience I can't see him making it past Rublev if that mad ******* holds it together long enough to make it to the 4th round to begin with.

Thiem:
R128: Cilic
R64: Opelka
R32: Ruud
R16: Wawrinka/Murray/FAA
QF: Schwartzman
SF: Nadal
F: Djokovic

^Cilic is a shell of the player he was a few years ago, but still, this is definitely the toughest out of all of these from top to bottom. Wouldn't be surprised to see maybe Koepfer in round 4, though the prospect of Stan and Thiem at Roland Garros could be pretty tasty if they're both healthy. Still, what a draw :-D when your easiest (only easy, really) opponent is the guy who will probably knock down double digit aces and could take you to a couple of breakers you're definitely going to have to earn that Prince of Clay tag.

Bonus-
Zverev:
R128: Novak
R64: Herbert
R32: De Minaur
R16: Goffin
QF: Nadal
SF: Thiem
F: Djokovic

^Imagine starting with Novak and ending with Djokovic!:eek: Seriously though, another pretty tough draw that could definitely test him. I could easily see him losing to Herbert, and I'd have him as second favourite to Goffin, tbh. Could easily seeing that going five and Nadal (assuming he doesn't run into Fabio on one of the days he decides to care) feasting on the winner.
 
TopspintheTerrible said:
I disagree regarding Nadal’s draw. Up until the semis, I don’t see it as any more difficult than Joker’s. Fognini is not playing well/Isner can’t hurt him on clay. Zverev in the QF is about = Joker’s potential QF vs. Berrettini.

IMO Medvedev has the hardest draw-Fucsovics & Ramos-Vinolas are not easy opponents on clay.
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First off I don't see how you put ARV > McDonald when ARV lost R1 in the USO, Kitzbuhel, Rome, and Hamburg.

Second, how is Zverev = Berrettini especially on clay? Best result on clay was a masters QF for Berrettini, 2nd best was a masters R3. Zverev, on the other hand, has won 2 clay masters and made a slam final, making 2 RG QFs. Zverev is clearly better, and he just made his first slam final so he's probably pretty confident. Sure, Nadal's draw isn't particularly difficult until R16, but Fognini and Isner have pushed Rafa on clay before. QFs on Rafa's is clearly more difficult.

You can make the claim that R128-R16 is pretty close, because it is, but past that Nadal's draw is harder every step of the way.
 
good to see pcb lurking in djokovic's quarter again.........seems a reasonable draw to me........i don't think djokovic will have it easy........thiem was always going to have a difficult one basically because of his ranking........he would also like to play rafa in a semis than in final........
 
TripleATeam said:
First off I don't see how you put ARV > McDonald when ARV lost R1 in the USO, Kitzbuhel, Rome, and Hamburg.

Second, how is Zverev = Berrettini especially on clay? Best result on clay was a masters QF for Berrettini, 2nd best was a masters R3. Zverev, on the other hand, has won 2 clay masters and made a slam final, making 2 RG QFs. Zverev is clearly better, and he just made his first slam final so he's probably pretty confident. Sure, Nadal's draw isn't particularly difficult until R16, but Fognini and Isner have pushed Rafa on clay before. QFs on Rafa's is clearly more difficult.

You can make the claim that R128-R16 is pretty close, because it is, but past that Nadal's draw is harder every step of the way.
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Sasha is not the same player he was when he won those titles, plus the US Open loss is prob lingering. Unless he has an excellent serving day & is playing extremely aggressive he has no shot. Berrettini can hit his 1st serve as hard as Sasha & has a better 2nd serve. He can also crush forehand winners and has a better slice.

ARV has had poor results lately but he’s still a better clay courter than Medvedev. Mackie isn’t in the same universe as Nadal on clay.
 
TopspintheTerrible said:
Sasha is not the same player he was when he won those titles, plus the US Open loss is prob lingering. Unless he has an excellent serving day & is playing extremely aggressive he has no shot. Berrettini can hit his 1st serve as hard as Sasha & has a better 2nd serve. He can also crush forehand winners and has a better slice.

ARV has had poor results lately but he’s still a better clay courter than Medvedev. Mackie isn’t in the same universe as Nadal on clay.
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In context of the player, maybe ARV is a dangerous opponent, but put Ruud in Med's place and ARV wouldn't be a challenge.

I'd also argue Zverev was playing quite well at some points and terribly at others. He may not be as consistent as he was in 2017/18, but he did make back-to-back RG QFs and Berrettini has never shown any competency on clay. I don't see how you place someone with no clay resume above a guy that has the 6th or 7th (or at least top 10) best clay resume of active players?
 
Start da Game said:
op could eliminate medv who will lose to ramos-vinolas and cry about best of 5 sets........
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Could. But my threads are always the top 4 and an extra when I want it, and Med is top 4 right now.

As for losing to ARV, I think ARV isn't in the right form to beat Med right now. Lajovic/Rublev more likely or the R1 against Fucs.
 
TripleATeam said:
Difficulty of draws in my opinion:

Djokovic - 3/10. Best draw he could have hoped for in the late stages. Unfortunately still got Bautista Agut in the QF, but he's not even a lock to get that far, and Khachanov and Hurkacz are dangerous floaters. That being said, they'll take a set at most. The only one I'm even slightly worried about for Novak is RBA.
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RBA could be worrisome on hard court, but on slow clay in cool conditions his flat shots won't penetrate as well.
 
StrongRule said:
He deserves a reward because he broke the rules? What kind of logic is that? :rolleyes:

His USO draw was also the easiest possible.
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Rubbish. Djokovic has a harder draw than Nadal. Bar Thiem there is literally not one player in Nadals half who will trouble him bar Fogini if he went into God mode or Wawrinka possibly but even that hard to see over 5 sets.
There are guys in Djokovic half who have troubled him. Definitely a soft draw for Rafa. Even if he gets Thiem looking at Thiems draw he will be a sactrificial lamb anyway.
Stop with the reverse psychology. We Nadal fans should be honest. Its a good draw
 
TripleATeam said:
In context of the player, maybe ARV is a dangerous opponent, but put Ruud in Med's place and ARV wouldn't be a challenge.

I'd also argue Zverev was playing quite well at some points and terribly at others. He may not be as consistent as he was in 2017/18, but he did make back-to-back RG QFs and Berrettini has never shown any competency on clay. I don't see how you place someone with no clay resume above a guy that has the 6th or 7th (or at least top 10) best clay resume of active players?
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I don’t place him above Sasha. Frankly, I don’t think either have much of a chance. But Zverev cannot beat Nadal playing defensively. Berrettini will swing freely & if he racks up winner & after winner, Joker could lose his cool. Again, neither is likely. I just see Berrettini as a more dangerous underdog in this context.
 
Beckerserve said:
Rubbish. Djokovic has a harder draw than Nadal. Bar Thiem there is literally not one player in Nadals half who will trouble him bar Fogini if he went into God mode or Wawrinka possibly but even that hard to see over 5 sets.
There are guys in Djokovic half who have troubled him. Definitely a soft draw for Rafa. Even if he gets Thiem looking at Thiems draw he will be a sactrificial lamb anyway.
Stop with the reverse psychology. We Nadal fans should be honest. Its a good draw
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What the hell? Nadal probably has to face Zverev, Thiem and Djokovic back to back in order to win the title. Who does Djokovic have in his half? RBA is the strongest player there, and he will probably not even reach Djokovic. Saying Djokovic has a harder draw than Nadal is absolutely ridiculous. Djokovic doesn't have even one strong opponent in his half.
 
StrongRule said:
What the hell? Nadal probably has to face Zverev, Thiem and Djokovic back to back in order to win the title. Who does Djokovic have in his half? RBA is the strongest player there, and he will probably not even reach Djokovic. Saying Djokovic has a harder draw than Nadal is absolutely ridiculous. Djokovic doesn't have even one strong opponent in his half.
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Have you seen Thiems draw? If me makes it to SF he will be gassed.
As for Zverev Nadal starts each set with a two game head start as will everyone else given the amount of double faults Zverev hits.
Unless there is an unknown youngster in there Nadal is in the final. Djokovic is as well although Tsitsipas if he got to SF would be hard as clay perhaps his best surface.
 
Beckerserve said:
Have you seen Thiems draw? If me makes it to SF he will be gassed.
As for Zverev Nadal starts each set with a two game head start as will everyone else given the amount of double faults Zverev hits.
Unless there is an unknown youngster in there Nadal is in the final. Djokovic is as well although Tsitsipas if he got to SF would be hard as clay perhaps his best surface.
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When was the last time Tsitsipas even reached a fourth round at a slam? 99.9% he goes out early, and even if he somehow reaches Djokovic he wins 7 games at most. Zverev is the much better player and he troubled Nadal a few times, including on clay. Djokovic's draw couldn't be any easier, even most of his fans admit it. Saying it is harder than Nadal's is probably joke of the year.
 
Tennis_Hands said:
It was brutal also last year. I even made a prediction thread: guessed 3 of his 7 opponents, and the profiles of another 2. I didn't expect this year RG to repeat that, especially since he just spent himself at the USO. I guess they want that Nadal-Djokovic match. Oh, well, they are not going to get it, so there will be partial justice.

:cool:
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I think they will. Nadal has a practical bye unless he gets Covid and Novak has only marginally a tougher section. But he cannot get Covid so the lines judges his biggest obstacle.
 
Thiem will never win RG with that draw :oops:

Nadal's draw looks fairly easy. Nothing until QF, really.

Novak's is the fluffiest draw in years. Only Nadal (and lines personell) can stop him.
 
junior74 said:
Thiem will never win RG with that draw :oops:

Nadal's draw looks fairly easy. Nothing until QF, really.

Novak's is the fluffiest draw in years. Only Nadal (and lines personell) can stop him.
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If the draw starting from the 1/4 final is tough then it can't be an easy draw. Zverev is an infinitely many times better player than RBA.
 
StrongRule said:
If the draw starting from the 1/4 final is tough then it can't be an easy draw. Zverev is an infinitely many times better player than RBA.
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Three tough-ish matches are usually required to win a slam. Sometimes four or five.

Nadal's draw is softened by Thiem's tough draw. He will most likely be quite fatigued if he reaches a SF.
 
Nadal thiem semi match will be played in afternoon if it happens of course and not evening that is because I am 100% sure nadal half starts first which will directly mean his semi will be first as will be his quarter a day earlier
 
junior74 said:
Thiem will never win RG with that draw :oops:

Nadal's draw looks fairly easy. Nothing until QF, really.

Novak's is the fluffiest draw in years. Only Nadal (and lines personell) can stop him.
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It depends who he plays in the 4th round. Wawrinka could be a challenge but he just beat down FAA & I don’t see Murray putting up much of a fight. Schwartzman is always tricky on clay but Thiem knows his game well. If he can get through the first 3 rounds without spending too much time on court, I’d say his chances look brighter.
 
TopspintheTerrible said:
It depends who he plays in the 4th round. Wawrinka could be a challenge but he just beat down FAA & I don’t see Murray putting up much of a fight. Schwartzman is always tricky on clay but Thiem knows his game well. If he can get through the first 3 rounds without spending too much time on court, I’d say his chances look brighter.
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Thiem just spent himself winning USO. The last thing he wants or needs is going through 4 rounds of attrition with different styles of tennis, ending up with a queue of 3 monster matches. Unquestionably, the RG organisers set him up for a fail. I hope they get what they deserve for that.

8-)
 
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