Top 5 best male players per country (Open Era)

Moose Malloy

G.O.A.T.
Great Britain :
1 Murray
2 Henman
3 Rusedski
4 Norrie
5 Castle/Petchey
Uh, Castle and Petchey were challenger level players.
These Brits were far more accomplished:
Roger Taylor - 31 titles, SF at Wimbledon '70(beat #1 seed Laver), '73
Kyle Edmund - career high 14, SF at '18 AO
John Lloyd - career high 21 in 1978
Buster Mottram - career high 15 in 1983
 
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Gizo

Hall of Fame
In terms of Spanish legends, and encompassing pre-open era seasons and achievements, I do think that there is a case to argue that Gimeno ranks above Santana, especially given that he was challenging himself against the best in the world, notably Laver, Rosewall and Gonzales on the professional circuit instead of entering amateur majors.

Clearly though Santana was a wonderful and very talented player, and both Gimeno and him had excellent forehands.

It was a shame that there wasn’t an all-Spanish RG final between the ‘old’ Gimeno and young Orantes in 1972. Orantes was the clear favourite to beat Patrick Proisy in his SF, having won 16 matches in a row including the Italian Open and a 6-0 6-3 6-3 demolition of Proisy in the Davis Cup in the same Roland Garros stadium 2 weeks earlier.
 
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Mainad

Bionic Poster
Great Britain :
1 Murray
2 Henman
3 Rusedski
4 Norrie
5 Castle/Petchey

France :
1 Noah
2 Tsonga
3 Leconte
4 Pioline
5 Grosjean/Forget

Spain :
1 Nadal
2 Alcaraz
3 Ferrero
4 Moya
5 Bruguera

Czech Republic :
1 Lendl
2 Kodes
3 Berdych
4 Korda
5 Jiri Novak

Serbia :
1 Djokovic
2 Tipsarevic
3 Troicki
4 Lajovic
5 Djere

Italy :
1 Panatta
2 Sinner
3 Berrettini
4 Fognini
5 Seppi

Switzerland :
1 Federer
2 Wawrinka
3 Rosset
4 Gunthardt
5 Bastl

Argentina :
1 Vilas
2 Del Potro
3 Nalbandian
4 Coria
5 Clerc

Sweden :
1 Borg
2 Edberg
3 Wilander
4 Soderling
5 Enqvist/Norman

Russia :
1 Safin
2 Kafelnikov
3 Medvedev
4 Davydenko
5 Rublev

Germany :
1 Becker
2 Stich
3 Alex Zverev
4 Haas
5 Kiefer/Schuettler

Austria :
1 Muster
2 Thiem
3 Melzer
4 Koubek
5 Feigl

Canada :
1 Raonic
2 Auger-Aliassime
3 Shapovalov
4 Pospisil
5 Belkin

For Great Britain, forget Castle/ Pechey and put Roger Taylor in there.
 

TsitsiBH

Rookie
Uh, Castle and Petchey were challenger level players.
These Brits were far more accomplished:
Roger Taylor - 31 titles, SF at Wimbledon '70(beat #1 seed Laver), '73
Kyle Edmund - career high 14, SF at '18 AO
John Lloyd - career high 21 in 1978
Buster Mottram - career high 15 in 1983
Oh yeah big mistake from myself.
 

dking68

Legend
United States :
1 Sampras
2 Connors
3 Agassi
4 McEnroe
5 Courier/Ashe

Australia :
1 Laver
2 Rosewall
3 Newcombe
4 Hewitt
5 Rafter

Great Britain :
1 Murray
2 Henman
3 Rusedski
4 Norrie
5 Castle/Petchey

France :
1 Noah
2 Tsonga
3 Leconte
4 Pioline
5 Grosjean/Forget

Spain :
1 Nadal
2 Alcaraz
3 Ferrero
4 Moya
5 Bruguera

Czech Republic :
1 Lendl
2 Kodes
3 Berdych
4 Korda
5 Jiri Novak

Serbia :
1 Djokovic
2 Tipsarevic
3 Troicki
4 Lajovic
5 Djere

Italy :
1 Panatta
2 Sinner
3 Berrettini
4 Fognini
5 Seppi

Switzerland :
1 Federer
2 Wawrinka
3 Rosset
4 Gunthardt
5 Bastl

Argentina :
1 Vilas
2 Del Potro
3 Nalbandian
4 Coria
5 Clerc

Sweden :
1 Borg
2 Edberg
3 Wilander
4 Soderling
5 Enqvist/Norman

Russia :
1 Safin
2 Kafelnikov
3 Medvedev
4 Davydenko
5 Rublev

Germany :
1 Becker
2 Stich
3 Alex Zverev
4 Haas
5 Kiefer/Schuettler

Austria :
1 Muster
2 Thiem
3 Melzer
4 Koubek
5 Feigl

Canada :
1 Raonic
2 Auger-Aliassime
3 Shapovalov
4 Pospisil
5 Belkin
Italy #1 is Sinner. He is top three
 

BorgTheGOAT

Legend
United States :
1 Sampras
2 Connors
3 Agassi
4 McEnroe
5 Courier/Ashe

Australia :
1 Laver
2 Rosewall
3 Newcombe
4 Hewitt
5 Rafter

Great Britain :
1 Murray
2 Henman
3 Rusedski
4 Norrie
5 Castle/Petchey

France :
1 Noah
2 Tsonga
3 Leconte
4 Pioline
5 Grosjean/Forget

Spain :
1 Nadal
2 Alcaraz
3 Ferrero
4 Moya
5 Bruguera

Czech Republic :
1 Lendl
2 Kodes
3 Berdych
4 Korda
5 Jiri Novak

Serbia :
1 Djokovic
2 Tipsarevic
3 Troicki
4 Lajovic
5 Djere

Italy :
1 Panatta
2 Sinner
3 Berrettini
4 Fognini
5 Seppi

Switzerland :
1 Federer
2 Wawrinka
3 Rosset
4 Gunthardt
5 Bastl

Argentina :
1 Vilas
2 Del Potro
3 Nalbandian
4 Coria
5 Clerc

Sweden :
1 Borg
2 Edberg
3 Wilander
4 Soderling
5 Enqvist/Norman

Russia :
1 Safin
2 Kafelnikov
3 Medvedev
4 Davydenko
5 Rublev

Germany :
1 Becker
2 Stich
3 Alex Zverev
4 Haas
5 Kiefer/Schuettler

Austria :
1 Muster
2 Thiem
3 Melzer
4 Koubek
5 Feigl

Canada :
1 Raonic
2 Auger-Aliassime
3 Shapovalov
4 Pospisil
5 Belkin
Good list, but Korda is definitely ahead of Berdych. Slam winner and also won the GSC, beating Pete and Stich.
 

BorgTheGOAT

Legend
Mac barely played the AO, had much better success indoors at the de facto fourth biggest tournament of his day and was number one much longer. It's Mac and it's not really close.
You can make a case for Mac, but it is definitely close.
 
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RS

Bionic Poster
I agree. I also tend to put Agassi a shade below the other three, although I can see the case for him. I'm also not totally decided on the order of Lendl, Jimbo and Mac - maybe as I have them here?
Pretty good debates to be had there.
 

travlerajm

Talk Tennis Guru
No worries. I rank Mac #2. But I'm clearly biased, to be fair. The vast majority of fans would put Connors over Mac with his 109 titles, 3-slam year in 1974(won all 3 he played), along with his 268 weeks at #1. So I recognize that I'm basically on my own witih putting Mac over Connors. I do think that Mac has a strong case over Agassi, due to extreme his extreme dominance. But it's completely reasonable to put Agassi over Mac as well.

Anyway, this is a great thread and I like your list. I look forward to seeing some more of your work.
I would put Mac over Jimbo too.

But I value peak level over longevity.
 

BorgTheGOAT

Legend
I would put Mac over Jimbo too.

But I value peak level over longevity.
Jimbo > Mac. One more slam and I think it is clear he would have benefitted more if the AO had been a real slam back in the days. Almost 100 more weeks, more tournaments, Mac with H2H and better indoors, but not quite enough to make up for the slam deficit.
 

Vincent-C

Legend
The AO was not really a major in McEnroe's prime, the fact you're trying to hold it over him is really revealing the extent of your historical understanding. The lack of FO is the thing Agassi has over Mac but it's not enough to outweigh everything else. The Hewitt vs Mac comparison is trash as there's a 4 slam gap and they're like two tiers apart as players, where as Mac and Agassi are in the same tier. If time at #1 doesn't mean much in different era's then why does slam count or anything else matter in that case?

Again Mac dominated indoors at a time when it was much more important than the AO, he was #1 a lot longer, he won a lot more tournaments etc...The FO and I guess longevity are where you could say Agassi wins but Mac was just the more dominant player and won more in a tougher and more competitive era.
Gotta go with Mac easily, from my POV. Mac's indoor and WCT wins *alone* put him ahead, setting aside for the moment his two more Wimbledons and how he won them.
 

travlerajm

Talk Tennis Guru
Jimbo > Mac. One more slam and I think it is clear he would have benefitted more if the AO had been a real slam back in the days. Almost 100 more weeks, more tournaments, Mac with H2H and better indoors, but not quite enough to make up for the slam deficit.
No argument that Jimmy has a more accomplished playing resume.

But 40 years later, it’s hard to argue against Mac’s legacy on the history of game being unrivaled aside from the Big3.

Consider that most tennis-playing kids today born 20 years after McEnroe retired could easily recognize him from just a silhouetted snapshot of his iconic service motion.
 

BorgTheGOAT

Legend
No argument that Jimmy has a more accomplished playing resume.

But 40 years later, it’s hard to argue against Mac’s legacy on the history of game being unrivaled aside from the Big3.

Consider that most tennis-playing kids today born 20 years after McEnroe retired could easily recognize him from just a silhouetted snapshot of his iconic service motion.
This is because Mac stayed in touch with tennis and the public, doing commentating, playing on the senior tour, the movie about the 1980 Wimbly final. Likely he is way more famous nowadays than even Sampras even though he only has half the slams.
 

Gizo

Hall of Fame
Gotta go with Mac easily, from my POV. Mac's indoor and WCT wins *alone* put him ahead, setting aside for the moment his two more Wimbledons and how he won them.

Yes I think it’s a comfortable lead for Mac over Agassi. Agassi IMO is by far the easiest open era legend to rank - he was clearly not as great as any of Connors, Lendl and Mac, and was clearly greater than any of Becker, Edberg and Wilander.

Mac’s second best season in 1981 during which he dethroned Borg, won the big Wimbledon-US Open double and led the USA to Davis Cup glory (the Davis Cup was no less important than Roland Garros was then), was more impressive than any season that Agassi had IMO.

Throw in the fact that he clearly beat better players to win his majors than Agassi did, was dominant at both of the 2 majors that US players clearly care about the most while Agassi was dominant at neither, had the best record in 3 different seasons (1981, 1983 and 1984) compared to 1 for Agassi (1999), was a greater Davis Cup legend, was a much greater indoor player, won more titles overall etc, and it’s a definite win for Mac there.

Weeks as world no. 1 was not a serious metric before the formation of the ATP tour in 1990, but Mac was clearly the best player in the world, and a top 2 and top 3 player, for longer than Agassi was. Agassi finished as the year end no. 2 behind Sampras in 1994 and 1995, but Mac was the second best player in the world behind Borg (more dominant than Sampras was) in 1979 and 1980, so ‘Agassi being denied by Sampras’ is not a serious factor here.

I would put Mac over Jimbo too.

But I value peak level over longevity.

I think that Mac has some big advantages over Connors, and I’m inclined to agree.

Mac unlike Connors was dominant at Wimbledon, so therefore was dominant at both of the big 2 majors at the time (there’s a Legends of Wimbledon episode / film on Mac but not on Connors - Wimbledon was clearly the undisputed no. 1 major for a while), was a Davis Cup legend while Connors is the only open era great not to properly win the competition (to repeat the Davis Cup was hugely important then and no less important than RG IMO), was a greater indoor player (indoor tennis was hugely important and made up a large % of the circuit during their respective primes), and his 1984 season is greater than any season than Connors ever had (including his 1974 season - it is usually, rightly ranked ahead there). And Connors winning 8 majors to Mac’s 7 is not a serious factor, given that they both won 7 Wimbledon / USO titles, with the difference Connors’ lightweight AO title in 1974 (both players won numerous other titles that were more noteworthy than that). That’s without even considering doubles.

I’ve always rejected any notion that Connors and Lendl are far greater than Mac, and there is no case for Mac vs. either of them. If we actually compare them based on the conditions when they were in their primes, and not on conditions from the 90s or 21st century, there are clear arguments for Mac. If we go back 30 years to 1994 for example, it was a widely held view that Mac was greater than Lendl. Since then the majors have become more equal to each other, the major count has become the be all and end all, weeks as world no. 1 previously not so important has become more of a big deal etc., so opinions have shifted there, but largely based on conditions from later periods.
 
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Vincent-C

Legend
8 Slams and CYGS > 7 Slams and 0 Roland-Garros.

John has way more weeks at #1 though (70 more) and a higher ceiling on grass, but I'd still sligthly favor my boy Agassi.
I'm pretty sure Agassi did not win a CYGS (the only kind of Grand Slam that existed until grade-inflation
hit tennis, along with everything else). Agassi did win all four Majors during the course of his career, and that's
not to be sneezed at.
 
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ollinger

G.O.A.T.
I didn't get very far down the OP's list as I discovered that;
1) the top 5 can be 6 guys
2) Hoad and Emerson are eclipsed by Rafter and Hewitt
3) "What has he won" Norrie and Rusedsky push Fred Perry off the team
 

austintennis2005

Professional
If you consider singles,doubles and Davis cup play Mac may be the greatest tennis player of all time. His 77 singles and 77 doubles will never be matched. All this accomplished by the age of 26. Then there was the 84-3 record in 1984. When Mac was at his peak he was on another level then everyone else. Andre was always in the Shadow of Pete
 

Vincent-C

Legend
If you consider singles,doubles and Davis cup play Mac may be the greatest tennis player of all time. His 77 singles and 77 doubles will never be matched. All this accomplished by the age of 26. Then there was the 84-3 record in 1984. When Mac was at his peak he was on another level then everyone else. Andre was always in the Shadow of Pete
I remember the loss to Amitraj just before the USO, and certainly the earlier painful loss (damn!) to Lendl. What was Mac's other '84 loss?
 

BorgTheGOAT

Legend
Berdych's Wimbledon 2010 final > Korda's Australian 1998 win I'd say. He beat better players.
Korda has an additional final at the FO 92. While he did not have the toughest draw there I find it tough to put one slam final > a slam win and an additional final and, as I said, winning the GSC in 93 beating Sampras and Stich in succession on carpet is also very impressive. He also has a doubles slam for what it is worth. As for Berd, kudos to beating Fed and Djo at Wimbly 2010 but let's be fair, none of the two was at their best.
 

BorgTheGOAT

Legend
If you consider singles,doubles and Davis cup play Mac may be the greatest tennis player of all time. His 77 singles and 77 doubles will never be matched. All this accomplished by the age of 26. Then there was the 84-3 record in 1984. When Mac was at his peak he was on another level then everyone else. Andre was always in the Shadow of Pete
It was "only" 82-3, but yeah very impressive.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Orantes should be #3, won a lot more than Ferrero or Moya(36 titles in Open Era)
And Mecir was much better than Novak, made 2 major finals, won more titles, higher career high ranking.

Obviously agree about Mecir.

But Orantes vs Ferrero/Moya? maybe, maybe not.
Ferrero/Moya clearly better and more accomplished outside of clay (open era). Both reached #1 (Orantes highest was #2). Ferrero could be argued to be YE #1 for 2003 in fact. Ferrero also had 2 more slam finals than Orantes.
 

BorgTheGOAT

Legend
Orantes should be #3, won a lot more than Ferrero or Moya(36 titles in Open Era)
And Mecir was much better than Novak, made 2 major finals, won more titles, higher career high ranking.
Mecir was also better than Berdych. An additional slam final, Olymlic Gold, WCT finals, and one can argue his Miami 87 with seven rounds best of five is as close to a slam as it can get. One could maybe even make a case for Mecir > Korda.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Mecir was also better than Berdych. An additional slam final, Olymlic Gold, WCT finals, and one can argue his Miami 87 with seven rounds best of five is as close to a slam as it can get. One could maybe even make a case for Mecir > Korda.

not with Mecir's mediocre slam final performances.
 

BorgTheGOAT

Legend
not with Mecir's mediocre slam final performances.
Definitely better than Berd, it is not that Berd's W2010 final was much to write home about and the additional final, WCT finals, OG and Miami 87 seals the deal. As for Korda, I agree it is probably Petr, as I give the nod to a slam winner over a non-slam winner normally and the GSC and the 92 FO final makes it tough to argue against him. Pretty close though nevertheless. The question remains how we value the Miami 1987. Seven rounds best of five means it was basically slam format (while for instance Borg's 74 FO had Bo3 in the early rounds). Of course the prestige was still not slam level and players likely didn't get as fully all out as they would have for an actual slam, but it is definitely on par with some AO editions of the 70s or even early 80s.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Definitely better than Berd, it is not that Berd's W2010 final was much to write home about and the additional final, WCT finals, OG and Miami 87 seals the deal. As for Korda, I agree it is probably Petr, as I give the nod to a slam winner over a non-slam winner normally and the GSC and the 92 FO final makes it tough to argue against him. Pretty close though nevertheless. The question remains how we value the Miami 1987. Seven rounds best of five means it was basically slam format (while for instance Borg's 74 FO had Bo3 in the early rounds). Of course the prestige was still not slam level and players likely didn't get as fully all out as they would have for an actual slam, but it is definitely on par with some AO editions of the 70s or even early 80s.

was speaking about Korda AO 98 winning vs Mecir's poor slam final performances.

Berdych's WIm 10 final, he faltered at the big points like clockwork, but still better than Mecir's poor ones. Berdych vs Mecir overall can be argued either way tbh.
 

BorgTheGOAT

Legend
was speaking about Korda AO 98 winning vs Mecir's poor slam final performances.

Berdych's WIm 10 final, he faltered at the big points like clockwork, but still better than Mecir's poor ones. Berdych vs Mecir overall can be argued either way tbh.
Disagree here. Two slam finals vs one, three masters vs one (including Miami 87) with Mecir playing way fewer, WCT finals, OG. Both with highest ranking at #4 and both with roughly the same number of tournament wins. Both reached semis in all four slams and both had tough competition for most of their career. I don't see much which could be argued for Berd here.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Disagree here. Two slam finals vs one, three masters vs one (including Miami 87) with Mecir playing way fewer, WCT finals, OG. Both with highest ranking at #4 and both with roughly the same number of tournament wins. Both reached semis in all four slams and both had tough competition for most of their career. I don't see much which could be argued for Berd here.

Berdych with 7 years in YE top 10 to only 3 for Mecir

7 SFs or better (including 1 slam final) for berdych to 4 for mecir (including 2 slam finals)

mecir had a child's play route to his 2nd slam final in AO 89. I don't rate his extra slam final as worth much when compared with Berdych.
 

BorgTheGOAT

Legend
Berdych with 7 years in YE top 10 to only 3 for Mecir

7 SFs or better (including 1 slam final) for berdych to 4 for mecir (including 2 slam finals)

mecir had a child's play route to his 2nd slam final in AO 89. I don't rate his extra slam final as worth much when compared with Berdych.
Well we can call it a wash at slams, what would still remain is that Mecir performed better at other big tournaments. Guess we have to agree to disagree on that one.
 
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