Top 5 peak level on each surface

[SamprasisGOAT]

clay
1. Nadal
2. Borg
3. Federer
4. Djokovic
5. Lendl

Fast Grass
1. Sampras
2. Federer
3. McEnroe
4. Becker
5. Edberg

Slow grass
1. Sampras
2. Federer
3. Borg
4. Nadal
5. Djokovic

Fast hardcourt
1. Sampras
2. Federer
3. McEnroe
4. Lendl
5. Agassi

Slow hardcourt
1. Federer
2. Djokovic
3. Agassi
4. Sampras
5. Nadal

 

[Deleted member 716271]

Lol

 

[Mazz Retic]

Only Open era?
No Connors?

 

[6-3 6-0]

Not another "peak to peak" thread Lol

 

[TripleATeam]

Djokovic had the best peak level on slow hard court. Switch 1 and 2.

 

[TripleATeam]

Made my own.

clay
1. Nadal
2. Borg
3. Sampras
4. Federer
5. Djokovic

Fast Grass
1. Sampras
2. Federer
3. McEnroe
4. Sampras
5. Sampras

Slow grass
1. Sampras
2. Federer
3. Sampras
4. Sampras
5. Djokovic

Fast hardcourt
1. Sampras
2. Federer
3. Sampras
4. Sampras
5. Sampras

Slow hardcourt
1. Sampras
2. Sampras
3. Sampras
4. Sampras
5. Sampras

 

[NEW_BORN]

Fast Hard
Federer
Sampras
Lendl

Slow Hard
Djokovic
Federer
Agassi

Fast Grass
Sampras
Federer
Becker

Slow Grass
Federer
Nadal
Murray

Red Clay
Nadal
Borg
Kuerten

Blue Clay
Federer
Berdych
DelPotro

 

[Poisoned Slice]

Clay

Sergi Bruguera
Pete Sampras
Tim Henman
Alex Corretja
Jay Berger

 

[killerboi2]

Clay

Nadal
Borg
Kuerten
Lendl
Bruguera

Honourable mentions - Courier, Muster, Sampras(yeah that's right!!)

Grass

Sampras
Federer
Borg
Becker
Nadal

Fast hard

Sampras
Agassi
Nadal
Federer
Djokovic

Slow hard

Agassi
Djokovic
Federer
Sampras
Nadal

 

[GabeT]

Not another "peak to peak" thread Lol

Gotta love them!

 

[VexlanderPrime]

Not another "peak to peak" thread Lol

MOAR we need Moar!

 

[Fedeonic]

Okay, let's do this:
Clay: Nadal, Borg, Lendl, Muster, Kuerten.
Slow hard: Djokovic, Federer, Agassi, Sampras, Nadal
Fast hard: Sampras, Federer, McEnroe, Becker, Lendl
Grass: Federer, Sampras, Becker, McEnroe, Connors

 

[Mazz Retic]

No wilander on clay yet..

 

[metsman]

clay: nadal, borg, lendl, kuerten, federer (order of the first 2 and order of the last 3 can be anything)
fast hard: fed, sampras, mac, Lendl, Agassi
Slow Hard: Fed, Djoker, Sampras, Agassi, Nadal, Safin, order can be anything.
Grass: Fed, Sampras, Borg, Mac, Becker

 

[Deleted member 716271]

clay: nadal, borg, lendl, kuerten, federer (order of the first 2 and order of the last 3 can be anything)
fast hard: fed, sampras, mac, Lendl, Agassi
Slow Hard: Fed, Djoker, Sampras, Agassi, Nadal, Safin, order can be anything.
Grass: Fed, Sampras, Borg, Mac, Becker

You think djokovic isn't among the top 5 in peak level on clay?

 

[r2473]

Made my own.

clay
1. Nadal
2. Borg
3. Sampras
4. Federer
5. Djokovic

Fast Grass
1. Sampras
2. Federer
3. McEnroe
4. Sampras
5. Sampras

Slow grass
1. Sampras
2. Federer
3. Sampras
4. Sampras
5. Djokovic

Fast hardcourt
1. Sampras
2. Federer
3. Sampras
4. Sampras
5. Sampras

Slow hardcourt
1. Sampras
2. Sampras
3. Sampras
4. Sampras
5. Sampras

Agree, but I'd switch 2&3 on slow hard court

 

[PMChambers]

Why fast grass / slow grass? And no wood era / graphite era ; Nat gut / poly. These change play more than seed type and artificially grown grass. Comparing era's is really silly. Even the misc variance would effect players, for example Nadal in 70s, his bulk would be problematic most points played in 20s no towl down no MTO, no knee reconstructions. Djokovic in 70s, no family on tour, no physio, generally no coach on tour. Federer in 80s, he'd be a S&V and chip and charge, could he really handle the coke?

 

[Russeljones]

It is surreal.

 

[Meles]

Lol

Perfect til that last #1, but then 2017 happened.

 

[Meles]

Made my own.

clay
1. Nadal
2. Borg
3. Sampras
4. Federer
5. Djokovic

Fast Grass
1. Sampras
2. Federer
3. McEnroe
4. Sampras
5. Sampras

Slow grass
1. Sampras
2. Federer
3. Sampras
4. Sampras
5. Djokovic

Fast hardcourt
1. Sampras
2. Federer
3. Sampras
4. Sampras
5. Sampras

Slow hardcourt
1. Sampras
2. Sampras
3. Sampras
4. Sampras
5. Sampras

I didn't mind OP's list at all, but you've got it perfect here with Sampras ahead of Fred on every surface.

 

[Meles]

No wilander on clay yet..

Worthy of honorable mention. The whole 90's Clay thing is quite shady. Basically all the best players were Australian and American who really had no business on clay. This allowed some weaker Euros to mop up a bit. I'd put Wilander ahead of all save Kuerten with ease. LOL someone gave Sampras honorable mention over Federer and Djokovic who are easily as good as Lendl and Wilander. Go 80's Clay; Noah was bad to the bone for a year or so.

 

[LETitBE]

is this pre or post bio passport?

 

[1477aces]

clay: nadal, borg, lendl, kuerten, federer (order of the first 2 and order of the last 3 can be anything)
fast hard: fed, sampras, mac, Lendl, Agassi
Slow Hard: Fed, Djoker, Sampras, Agassi, Nadal, Safin, order can be anything.
Grass: Fed, Sampras, Borg, Mac, Becker

You think djokovic isn't among the top 5 in peak level on clay?

I don't think either Federer or Djokovic belong. Wilander should be there instead, and imo courier and brugera are ahead of Djokovic and Federer, maybe even muster.

 

[1477aces]

Clay:

Nadal
Borg
Wilander
Lendl
Guga

Grass
Sampras
Federer
Borg
McEnroe
Becker

Fast Hard-courts

Federer
Sampras
Connors
Lendl
Nadal


Slow hardcourts
Djokovic
Federer
Agassi
Lendl
Sampras

 

[vanioMan]

Clay:
1. Nadal
2. Nadal
3. Nadal
4. Nadal
5. Nadal

 

[timnz]

clay
1. Nadal
2. Borg
3. Federer
4. Djokovic
5. Lendl

Fast Grass
1. Sampras
2. Federer
3. McEnroe
4. Becker
5. Edberg

Slow grass
1. Sampras
2. Federer
3. Borg
4. Nadal
5. Djokovic

Fast hardcourt
1. Sampras
2. Federer
3. McEnroe
4. Lendl
5. Agassi

Slow hardcourt
1. Federer
2. Djokovic
3. Agassi
4. Sampras
5. Nadal

Slow grass - Sampras ahead of Federer? Why? A Wimbledon semi, a quarter, a fourth round aren't better than 3 Wimbledon runner-ups

 

[Deleted member 716271]

I don't think either Federer or Djokovic belong. Wilander should be there instead, and imo courier and brugera are ahead of Djokovic and Federer, maybe even muster.

its debatable in terms of clay accomplishments over a career. But for peak level? I think he's up there, only obviously below Nadal and Borg.

 

[Noelan]

clay: nadal, borg, lendl, kuerten, federer (order of the first 2 and order of the last 3 can be anything)
fast hard: fed, sampras, mac, Lendl, Agassi
Slow Hard: Fed, Djoker, Sampras, Agassi, Nadal, Safin, order can be anything.
Grass: Fed, Sampras, Borg, Mac, Becker

To generous
clay: federer, federer, federer, federer, federer(order if the first 2 and order of the last 3 can be anything) Honorable mention to Mirka and Safin -close call
fast hard: fed, fed, fed, fed, fed
Slow Hard: Fed, Fed, Fed, Fed,Fed (order can be anything)
Grass: Fed, Fed, Fed, Fed,Fed

 

[AiRFederer]

Peak to peak: Federer>Sampras.

 

[metsman]

You think djokovic isn't among the top 5 in peak level on clay?

At clay masters, possible, but not at RG, which I give the most weight to.

 

[Noelan]

So ,among other things to be in top 5 clay court "peak" players one has to eat bagel in Roland Garros Final. Good to know ,TheCult has new rules

 

[ZiggyStardust]

Open era only

Grass:
-Federer
-Sampras
-McEnroe
-Borg
-Becker/Nadal/Djokovic (can't choose)

Fast Hards:
-Federer
-Sampras
-McEnroe
-Djokovic
-Lendl

Slow Hards:
-Djokovic
-Federer
-Agassi
-Lendl
-Sampras

Clay:
-Nadal
-Borg
-Kuerten
-Federer
-Djokovic

 

[roysid]

I think it's quite useless unless you mention the tournament and year where the peak level was achieved. If there are multiple tournaments where the player achieved it, lets mention Here's I'm trying one
Clay:
1) Nadal, 2008 French Open and clay season: Absolutely the best. Nobody could even forward a challenge..he was so good, particularly at the French.
2) Thomas Muster, 1995 French Open and clay season
3) Rafael Nadal: 2005-2007 French Open and clay season. Won 81 straight clay matches
4) Ivan Lendl: 1986-87 French Open
5) Bjorn Borg 1978-81 French Open

Grass (no such crap like slow grass/fast grass)
1) Sampras 1994, 1998, 1999 Wimbledon
2) Federer 2005-2006 Wimbledon
3) John Mcenroe 1984 wimbledon
4) Becker 1989, 1986 wimbledon
5) Nadal 2008 wimbledon

Hardcourt
1) Novak Djokovic(2011 AO)
2) Roger Federer (2007 AO, 2004 USO)
3) Andre Agassi (1995 AO)
4) Pete Sampras (1995 USO)
5) Rafael Nadal (2009 AO, 2010, 2013 USO)

Indoor Hard court
1) Roger Federer 2011 Indoor Season
2) Novak Djokovic 2013, 2015 Indoor season
3) Boris Becker 1992, 1995 WTF
4) Pete Sampras 1995 WTF
5) Andy Murray 2016 WTF

 

[KINGROGER]

Clay:
1. Nadal
2. Borg
3. Federer
4. Djokovic
5. Kuerten/Lendl/Wilander

Grass:
1. Federer
2. Sampras
3. Borg
4. Becker
5. McEnroe/Edberg

Slow HC:
1. Federer=Djokovic (AO 05, 07, 10 vs 11)
2. Nadal
3. Agassi
4. Sampras
5. Safin

Fast HC:
1. Federer
2. Sampras
3. Lendl
4. Agassi
5. McEnroe/Edberg/Becker

 

[pringles]

Sampras showed us what kind of slow grass specialist he was in 2002.

 

[Xavier G]

Something like this imo, taking into account different era's, competition, peak play, how players seemed comfortable on the surfaces (all subjective and not just based on Majors)

Clay
1. Nadal
2. Borg
3. Lendl
4. Wilander
5. Djokovic

Grass
1. Federer
2. Sampras
3. McEnroe
4. Borg
5. Becker

Faster Hardcourt
1. Federer
2. Sampras
3. McEnroe
4. Lendl
5. Connors

Slower Hardcourt
1. Djokovic
2. Federer
3. Agassi
4. Sampras
5. Nadal

 

[Druss]

clay: nadal, borg, lendl, kuerten, federer (order of the first 2 and order of the last 3 can be anything)
fast hard: fed, sampras, mac, Lendl, Agassi
Slow Hard: Fed, Djoker, Sampras, Agassi, Nadal, Safin, order can be anything.
Grass: Fed, Sampras, Borg, Mac, Becker

Good list, except I'm baffled on how you rate Fed in top 5 on clay!? Ahead of Vilas, Muster, Brugera, Wilander, Nastase?

 

[KINGROGER]

Good list, except I'm baffled on how you rate Fed in top 5 on clay!? Ahead of Vilas, Muster, Brugera, Wilander, Nastase?

Accomplishments he's top 10 but going off peak level he's definitely top 5.

How many players could beat 06 or 11erer on clay except peak Nadal? Not many I'd bet.

 

[Incognito]

Clay:

Nadal

Federer



Borg
Kuerten


Wilander

 

[Incognito]

Fast Grass:

Sampras


Krajicek
Becker
Stich
McEnroe

 

[Feather]

So ,among other things to be in top 5 clay court "peak" players one has to eat bagel in Roland Garros Final. Good to know ,TheCult has new rules

Hamburg 2007, Roger gave a bagel to Rafa on clay, just saying

 

[Noelan]

Hamburg 2007, Roger gave a bagel to Rafa on clay, just saying

But but met(h)sman said he is valuing only RG

 

[Mr Feeny]

At clay masters, possible, but not at RG, which I give the most weight to.

Agree. Got to love the djokovic fans here. There's absolutely no way Djokovic at his best is a better clay player than peak Federer. It's beyond preposterous.

 

[Mr Feeny]

Hamburg 2007, Roger gave a bagel to Rafa on clay, just saying

Don't expect logic from a kid.

 

[Mr Feeny]

Clay:
1. Nadal
2. Borg
3. Federer
4. Djokovic
5. Kuerten/Lendl/Wilander

Grass:
1. Federer
2. Sampras
3. Borg
4. Becker
5. McEnroe/Edberg

Slow HC:
1. Federer=Djokovic (AO 05, 07, 10 vs 11)
2. Nadal
3. Agassi
4. Sampras
5. Safin

Fast HC:
1. Federer
2. Sampras
3. Lendl
4. Agassi
5. McEnroe/Edberg/Becker

You didn't want to break down the grass between slow and hard grass courts?

 

[SinjinCooper]

Borg belongs well above Nadal on clay, peak to peak. Nadal's relative greatness has to do with longevity. He NEVER dominated RG the way Borg did at his peak, nor even close.

 

[Mr Feeny]

Borg belongs well above Nadal on clay, peak to peak. Nadal's relative greatness has to do with longevity. He NEVER dominated RG the way Borg did at his peak, nor even close.

Who do you think would win on clay?

 

[Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil]

Agree. Got to love the djokovic fans here. There's absolutely no way Djokovic at his best is a better clay player than peak Federer. It's beyond preposterous.

It really isn't. Faster surfaces it's not debatable, but Djoker is up there among the very best on slower ones.

 

[Mr Feeny]

It really isn't. Faster surfaces it's not debatable, but Djoker is up there among the very best on slower ones.

On slow hard courts I'd agree. I just don't agree that he's close to being as good as peak Federer was, on clay. But no problem if we disagree here. Djokovic is no scrub on clay.

 

[Druss]

Clay

Nadal
Borg
Lendl
Kuerten
Muster

Grass

Federer
Sampras
McEnroe
Becker
Borg

Fast HC

Federer
Sampras
Lendl
McEnroe
Connors

Slow HC

Djokovic
Agassi
Federer
Nadal
Safin