MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
I didn't watch it and it was a major, but I just watched Nadal up breaks & several MP's against Kyrgios in Acapulco this year and lost! It happens even to the greats!
Bruh I had such a crush on Robin in that movie
Top streaks: Nadal nowhere to be seen
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Bruh I had such a crush on Robin in that movie
Lew II
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I expressed myself on Federer in other threads, and no he isn't more consistent than Djokovic judging by the stats in the OP.
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
says who
ChaelAZ
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ForehandRF
Legend
I thought you are not one of those who try to diminish the achievements of a player but it seems that I was wrong.Now theres a surprise, that a lot of these 'steaks' come in 2 of the weakest times in mens tennis . 05-07, and 2015-16.
StrongRule
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I wonder why don't you write the same thing to Lew. This is clearly a troll thread, and so are the responses.
Lew II
G.O.A.T.
Nadal is the ''most consistent over the years, with the biggest longevity blah blah blah'' and never found some weak years to have winning streaks?Now theres a surprise, that a lot of these 'steaks' come in 2 of the weakest times in mens tennis . 05-07, and 2015-16.
ForehandRF
Legend
I am just surprised that kevaninho posted things like these because I had the impression that he is one of the few objective posters.There is always a way to argue without trolling.
kevaninho
Hall of Fame
Do you disagree though? Djokovic's 2015 run was insane, and I take nothing away from what he done. You can only beat whos there, as I always say.
But it was a time when only really Murray or sometimes Fed had a chance of stopping him, with Stan stepping up once in a while.
There is no way any of the big 3 go on these type of streaks if all 3 of them are healthy, on form etc .
kevaninho
Hall of Fame
Im not claiming Nadal is LOL Im simply saying that it usually takes for 1 of the 3 to be posted missing for someone to rack up these wins.
Both Rafa and Rog benefitted in 2017 greatly by this also.
StrongRule
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Federer and Murray were not able to stop him in slams back then. Murray played like an absolute mug in their matches, I don't think he even deserved to be mentioned. All of their slam matches were totally NID, you just knew Murray will eventually collapse and give up. As for Federer, he was usually giving a fight, but was not consistent enough to actually win the matches.
ravenousRublev
New User
Depends on what you value more dominance or consistency a case could be made for either.
Same applies to slam distrubution. Rafa has won the most FO 12(clearly most dominant player at one slam). But Federer/Djokovic slams are more evenly distributed(consistency over 4 slams).
Yet the same people saying Nadal resume is too "clay skewed" due to being by the most dominant at FO clearly diminishing his accomplishments. Are now claiming that Nadal hasnt been dominant compared to Federer/djokovic over the last 15 years which is straight up contradiction.
Same applies to slam distrubution. Rafa has won the most FO 12(clearly most dominant player at one slam). But Federer/Djokovic slams are more evenly distributed(consistency over 4 slams).
Yet the same people saying Nadal resume is too "clay skewed" due to being by the most dominant at FO clearly diminishing his accomplishments. Are now claiming that Nadal hasnt been dominant compared to Federer/djokovic over the last 15 years which is straight up contradiction.
ibbi
G.O.A.T.
Number 1 - Some of these stats you post like the quarter final and semi final one are great and all, but completely irrelevant in isolation. Do you think Djokovic would trade his grand slam quarter finals streak for Nadal's 3 extra major titles?
Number 2 - Neither of those guys has a 3 surface win streak comparable to Nadal's, do they? You want to take about across all surfaces let us know if Roger or Novak ever had a 3 surface win streak in which they beat the worlds 2 and 3 ranked player multiple times en route to 5 titles.
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RaulRamirez
Legend
Speaking of records, let me play my near-broken one, which sounds something like this:
All three GOATs have won a ridiculous amount of majors, and each one has achievements the others can't match, and perhaps, weaknesses/flaws that the others don't...While their careers have largely overlapped, they've each traveled slightly different paths to the top.
I simply don't see how these stats produced by the OP are that meaningful within the above context.
I think that, by consensus, # of majors won is the most important factor, although some will see this as an absolute, with everything else lumped in as a tiebreaker, and others will make more qualitative arguments. I don't think that very many would cite this stat very highly in either their tiebreaker or qualitative arguments.
All three GOATs have won a ridiculous amount of majors, and each one has achievements the others can't match, and perhaps, weaknesses/flaws that the others don't...While their careers have largely overlapped, they've each traveled slightly different paths to the top.
I simply don't see how these stats produced by the OP are that meaningful within the above context.
I think that, by consensus, # of majors won is the most important factor, although some will see this as an absolute, with everything else lumped in as a tiebreaker, and others will make more qualitative arguments. I don't think that very many would cite this stat very highly in either their tiebreaker or qualitative arguments.
ForehandRF
Legend
Yeah, but that doesn't mean those years were weak.We don't need all the BIG 3/4 in peak form to 'validate' an achievement otherwise we can put down Nadal's 2010 too and so on.These guys put an enormous amount of effort to reach these milestones/records.
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Lew II
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vive le beau jeu !
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of course they are.You would think
So McEnroe, Sampras, Connors all better than Nadal yeah?
... and still no 'top-streaking' (please perdon the expression) despite that ?
ADuck
Legend
What about Artem Bahmet?
vive le beau jeu !
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'for sure is a muy tuff opponent, no? i will need to play my best to have a chance to win against this unstoppable berretinning force in motion... that the truth.'
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Tiki-Taka
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If only Fed or Novak dominated on any surface like Rafa dominated on clay... Even with twice as many chances on hard courts, they haven't won 12 Majors on that surface yet. Nothing that should be held against them obviously, it's just another thing that puts into perspective how scary Nadal has been on his favorite surface consistently for a decade and a half now. But for some reason, some like to hold it against him when ranking him among the greatest players.
And like I said many times before, Nadal has proven himself elsewhere. He ended Federer's Wimbledon streak in that epic final, his lone Australian Open win was earned after two back to back brutal all time great matches, and he beat Djokovic for half of his US Open titles. Not so bad for a one dimensional clay specialist, no?
From spring 2008 to spring 2009 he was a force on all surfaces, in 2010 he became the only man to win Slams on three surfaces in one season, in 2013 he won all the biggest NA hard court events, in the last three seasons he's been easily the most consistent performer despite being in that age when many thought he wouldn't even be playing anymore.
From becoming Federer's problem as a teenager, to establishing a brutal rivalry with Djokovic and managing to recover from a couple of bad streaks against him, all the way to being the most dominant veteran against the Next Generation... There has been plenty of quality tennis and quantity in titles on display from Nadal over the years. More than enough for him to be considered the greatest if he ever manages to win the most Slams.
And like I said many times before, Nadal has proven himself elsewhere. He ended Federer's Wimbledon streak in that epic final, his lone Australian Open win was earned after two back to back brutal all time great matches, and he beat Djokovic for half of his US Open titles. Not so bad for a one dimensional clay specialist, no?
From spring 2008 to spring 2009 he was a force on all surfaces, in 2010 he became the only man to win Slams on three surfaces in one season, in 2013 he won all the biggest NA hard court events, in the last three seasons he's been easily the most consistent performer despite being in that age when many thought he wouldn't even be playing anymore.
From becoming Federer's problem as a teenager, to establishing a brutal rivalry with Djokovic and managing to recover from a couple of bad streaks against him, all the way to being the most dominant veteran against the Next Generation... There has been plenty of quality tennis and quantity in titles on display from Nadal over the years. More than enough for him to be considered the greatest if he ever manages to win the most Slams.
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Deleted member 763691
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The biggest streak of all:
2010 = Rafa won THREE SLAMS in a row, and they were on 3 completely different surfaces - clay, grass and hardcourt
Oh, and Rafa won at least one slam per year for TEN years in a row!
Masters too, 10 years in a row!
Rafa does the big things, while Djokovic and Federer can fight over the trivial things....
2010 = Rafa won THREE SLAMS in a row, and they were on 3 completely different surfaces - clay, grass and hardcourt
Oh, and Rafa won at least one slam per year for TEN years in a row!
Masters too, 10 years in a row!
Rafa does the big things, while Djokovic and Federer can fight over the trivial things....
Third Serve
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tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
What does it say about Nadal that he sucked so much in the weakest times in men's tennis?Now theres a surprise, that a lot of these 'streaks' come in 2 of the weakest times in mens tennis . 05-07, and 2015-16.
The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
Joker can't be GOAT because he's
Gary Duane
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When weakness in English is part of your signature, stay away from slang, "bro".
Yugram
Legend
Hey! Leave Federer’s medal alone, you thief.Joker can't be GOAT because he's
Lew II
G.O.A.T.
Joker can't be GOAT because he's
In Slam titles? Yes, that's the flaw of his career, for now.
Fiero425
Legend
I'm a lot older, so not only was a fortunate enough to see Chris playing Robin looking so hot, I fell in love with the "original" back in '66, Burt Wart! This scene stirred me before I turned 10 years old! Notice the walk as he leaves the room:Bruh I had such a crush on Robin in that movie
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kevaninho
Hall of Fame
Baby Nadal when Fed was racking up most of his titles and weeks at number 1.
And injured Nadal when Djokovic had his 2015-16 run.
These guys need Nadal to not be in the picture to have this type of success.
The same is said of the other 2, when 1 is out, the rest pile up more success than they would've, had all 3 been healthy/in form.
Fiero425
Legend
The same could be said of Nadal! He was obviously younger and fitter than Federer way back when, but still lost early on! Rafa still owned Roger and was successful enough to beat him on his fave surface on grass in '08! Rafa was fortunate enough to have a 2nd or 3rd life with Nole being out 2017-early '18, racking up majors and Masters events! All 3 have had their time and it's as fair as can be except for the age disparity!
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
I'm a lot older, so not only was a fortunate enough to see Chris playing Robin looking so hot, I fell in love with the "original" back in '66, Burt Wart! This scene stirred me before I turned 10 years old! Notice the walk as he leaves the room:
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Serving 60's realness
DSH
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Newballsplease872
Rookie
Great thread
Fedovic and Djokerer >>> Vulturedal
Fedovic and Djokerer >>> Vulturedal
DSH
Talk Tennis Guru
This thread is cherry picking on a level not seen since George Washington
Only player who won a Slam in 10 consecutive years
Only player who won a MS in 10 consecutive years
Highest surface match streak with 81 consecutive clay wins
etc
We get it, Fed and especially Djokovic are more dominant on hard courts, which are 2/3 of the tour.
That's what most of your statistics boil down to, for the very transparent reason that it suits your personal bias
Only player in the Open Era to win Slams on clay: Roland Garros, on grass: Wimbledon and on hardcourts: US Open in the same season.
Incognito
Legend
Lol..
In 2008 Nadal won 32 straight matches spanning 3 surfaces, from Hamburg to Cincy. Beat that!!! (Hamburg, FO, Queens, Wimbledon & Canada).
Those streaks of Djokovic are all HCs or maximum 2 surfaces.
Can you imagine what Nadal streaks would have been If all tournaments post wimbledon were on clay.
In 2008 Nadal won 32 straight matches spanning 3 surfaces, from Hamburg to Cincy. Beat that!!! (Hamburg, FO, Queens, Wimbledon & Canada).
Those streaks of Djokovic are all HCs or maximum 2 surfaces.
Can you imagine what Nadal streaks would have been If all tournaments post wimbledon were on clay.
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
War is over. Fedovic twin goats united.
JaoSousa
Hall of Fame
Notice how he wrote finals made but not finals won!!
JaoSousa
Hall of Fame
noIf Djokovic and Federer are more suited than Nadal for 2/3 surfaces aren't they more suited for tennis?
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
As far as the slam race goes, it is not fear anymore, it is acceptance. If it happens I am okay with it. Fear was like half a decade ago, now (at least for me), I am enjoying Fed and Rafa's careers and can live with Fed losing the slam record.
Not fear, but acceptance.
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Deleted member 758560
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let's say he could've won 15 FO and just 2 slams on other surfaces, in this case he would be ahead of djok as well
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Phoenix1983
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Lew knows Nadal is a fair amount greater than Novak Djokovic at present.
More slams, more Masters, higher winning percentage, same no of years as world No 1.
In most key metrics, Nadal is ahead.
victorcruz
Hall of Fame
Lew is done taking on the Federer fam. He comin for us
Hide yo kids, hide yo wives, hide yo sidepieces, he comin for blood
Hide yo kids, hide yo wives, hide yo sidepieces, he comin for blood
Lew II
G.O.A.T.
RaulRamirez
Legend
If tennis didn't exist, none of us would be on TTW.
Lew II
G.O.A.T.
I just couldn't find it.
BringBackSV
Hall of Fame
There are no established requirements for "goathood" nor is there such thing as a goat.
Why make up such nonsense?
Lew II
G.O.A.T.
I agree goats don't exist. I meant greatest of this era.
Then we should debate whether this is the greatest era.
