Top streaks: Nadal nowhere to be seen

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
I didn't watch it and it was a major, but I just watched Nadal up breaks & several MP's against Kyrgios in Acapulco this year and lost! It happens even to the greats! :sneaky:

Bruh I had such a crush on Robin in that movie :love:

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kevaninho

Hall of Fame
Now theres a surprise, that a lot of these 'streaks' come in 2 of the weakest times in mens tennis . 05-07, and 2015-16.

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ChaelAZ

G.O.A.T.
Longest winning streak

Djokovic 43 (Davis 2010 - RG 2011)
Federer 41 (UO 2006 - Dubai 2007)
Federer 35 (Halle 2005 - YEC 2005)

Big Tournaments

Djokovic 43 (Paris 2014 - RG 2015)
Djokovic 33 (AO 2011 - RG 2011)

Grand Slam

Djokovic 30 (WI 2015 - WI 2016)
Federer 27 (WI 2005 - RG 2006)
Federer 27 (WI 2006 - RG 2007)
Djokovic 27 (WI 2011 - RG 2012)
Djokovic 26 (WI 2018 - RG 2019)

Against top-10

Federer 24 (YEC 2003 - AO 2005)
Federer 17 (WI 2006 - Dubai 2007)
Djokovic 17 (YEC 2015 - Rome 2016)

Titles won

Federer 7 (UO 2006 - Dubai 2007)
Djokovic 7 (AO 2011 - Rome 2011)
Djokovic 7 (UO 2015 - AO 2016)

GS Titles

Djokovic 4 (WI 2015 - RG 2016)

Big Titles

Djokovic 7 (Paris 2014 - Rome 2015)
Djokovic 7 (UO 2015 - Miami 2016)

Finals reached

Federer 17 (2005 Halle - 2006 Canada)
Djokovic 17 (2015 AO - 2016 AO)

Slam finals

Federer 10 (2005 WI - 2007 UO)
Federer 8 (2008 RG - 2010 AO)
Djokovic 6 (2015 AO - 2016 RG)

Big finals


Djokovic 18 (Paris 2014 - Miami 2016)
Federer 12 (WI 2005 - Canada 2006)

Slam semifinals

Federer 23 (Wimbledon 2004 - Australian Open 2010)
Djokovic 14 (Wimbledon 2010 - US Open 2013)
Djokovic 9 (RG 2014 - RG 2016)

Slam quarterfinals

Federer 36 (Wimbledon 2004 - RG 2013)
Djokovic 28 (Wimbledon 2009 - RG 2016)

Better PEDs.


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Lew II

G.O.A.T.
Now theres a surprise, that a lot of these 'steaks' come in 2 of the weakest times in mens tennis . 05-07, and 2015-16.

;)
Nadal is the ''most consistent over the years, with the biggest longevity blah blah blah'' and never found some weak years to have winning streaks?
 

ForehandRF

Legend
I wonder why don't you write the same thing to Lew. This is clearly a troll thread, and so are the responses.
I am just surprised that kevaninho posted things like these because I had the impression that he is one of the few objective posters.There is always a way to argue without trolling.
 

kevaninho

Hall of Fame
I am just surprised that kevaninho posted things like these because I had the impression that he is one of the few objective posters.There is always a way to argue without trolling.

Do you disagree though? Djokovic's 2015 run was insane, and I take nothing away from what he done. You can only beat whos there, as I always say.
But it was a time when only really Murray or sometimes Fed had a chance of stopping him, with Stan stepping up once in a while.

There is no way any of the big 3 go on these type of streaks if all 3 of them are healthy, on form etc .
 

kevaninho

Hall of Fame
Nadal is the ''most consistent over the years, with the biggest longevity blah blah blah'' and never found some weak years to have winning streaks?

Im not claiming Nadal is LOL Im simply saying that it usually takes for 1 of the 3 to be posted missing for someone to rack up these wins.
Both Rafa and Rog benefitted in 2017 greatly by this also.
 

StrongRule

Talk Tennis Guru
Do you disagree though? Djokovic's 2015 run was insane, and I take nothing away from what he done. You can only beat whos there, as I always say.
But it was a time when only really Murray or sometimes Fed had a chance of stopping him, with Stan stepping up once in a while.

There is no way any of the big 3 go on these type of streaks if all 3 of them are healthy, on form etc .
Federer and Murray were not able to stop him in slams back then. Murray played like an absolute mug in their matches, I don't think he even deserved to be mentioned. All of their slam matches were totally NID, you just knew Murray will eventually collapse and give up. As for Federer, he was usually giving a fight, but was not consistent enough to actually win the matches.
 

ravenousRublev

New User
Depends on what you value more dominance or consistency a case could be made for either.

Same applies to slam distrubution. Rafa has won the most FO 12(clearly most dominant player at one slam). But Federer/Djokovic slams are more evenly distributed(consistency over 4 slams).

Yet the same people saying Nadal resume is too "clay skewed" due to being by the most dominant at FO clearly diminishing his accomplishments. Are now claiming that Nadal hasnt been dominant compared to Federer/djokovic over the last 15 years which is straight up contradiction.
 

ibbi

G.O.A.T.
Nadal cannot be the GOAT without dominating the whole season like his two contemporaries Djokovic and Federer did.

Only if he wins a ridicolous number of Slams we could forget about this big flaw.
Number 1 - Some of these stats you post like the quarter final and semi final one are great and all, but completely irrelevant in isolation. Do you think Djokovic would trade his grand slam quarter finals streak for Nadal's 3 extra major titles?

Number 2 - Neither of those guys has a 3 surface win streak comparable to Nadal's, do they? You want to take about across all surfaces let us know if Roger or Novak ever had a 3 surface win streak in which they beat the worlds 2 and 3 ranked player multiple times en route to 5 titles.
 
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RaulRamirez

Legend
Speaking of records, let me play my near-broken one, which sounds something like this:
All three GOATs have won a ridiculous amount of majors, and each one has achievements the others can't match, and perhaps, weaknesses/flaws that the others don't...While their careers have largely overlapped, they've each traveled slightly different paths to the top.

I simply don't see how these stats produced by the OP are that meaningful within the above context.
I think that, by consensus, # of majors won is the most important factor, although some will see this as an absolute, with everything else lumped in as a tiebreaker, and others will make more qualitative arguments. I don't think that very many would cite this stat very highly in either their tiebreaker or qualitative arguments.
 

ForehandRF

Legend
Do you disagree though? Djokovic's 2015 run was insane, and I take nothing away from what he done. You can only beat whos there, as I always say.
But it was a time when only really Murray or sometimes Fed had a chance of stopping him, with Stan stepping up once in a while.

There is no way any of the big 3 go on these type of streaks if all 3 of them are healthy, on form etc .
Yeah, but that doesn't mean those years were weak.We don't need all the BIG 3/4 in peak form to 'validate' an achievement otherwise we can put down Nadal's 2010 too and so on.These guys put an enormous amount of effort to reach these milestones/records.
 
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Lew II

G.O.A.T.
Number 1 - Some of these stats you post like the quarter final and semi final one are great and all, but completely irrelevant in isolation. Do you think Djokovic would trade his grand slam quarter finals streak for Nadal's 3 extra major titles?

Number 2 - Neither of those guys has a 3 surface win streak comparable to Nadal's, do they? You want to take about across all surfaces let us know if Roger or Novak ever had a 3 surface win streak in which they beat the worlds 2 and 3 ranked player multiple times en route to 6 titles, 2 on each surface, 2 grand slams, 2 1000s, and an Olympic gold medal
1) all stats count.

2) great but not enough to contradict everything I posted in the OP.
 
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Tiki-Taka

Guest
If only Fed or Novak dominated on any surface like Rafa dominated on clay... Even with twice as many chances on hard courts, they haven't won 12 Majors on that surface yet. Nothing that should be held against them obviously, it's just another thing that puts into perspective how scary Nadal has been on his favorite surface consistently for a decade and a half now. But for some reason, some like to hold it against him when ranking him among the greatest players.

And like I said many times before, Nadal has proven himself elsewhere. He ended Federer's Wimbledon streak in that epic final, his lone Australian Open win was earned after two back to back brutal all time great matches, and he beat Djokovic for half of his US Open titles. Not so bad for a one dimensional clay specialist, no?

From spring 2008 to spring 2009 he was a force on all surfaces, in 2010 he became the only man to win Slams on three surfaces in one season, in 2013 he won all the biggest NA hard court events, in the last three seasons he's been easily the most consistent performer despite being in that age when many thought he wouldn't even be playing anymore.

From becoming Federer's problem as a teenager, to establishing a brutal rivalry with Djokovic and managing to recover from a couple of bad streaks against him, all the way to being the most dominant veteran against the Next Generation... There has been plenty of quality tennis and quantity in titles on display from Nadal over the years. More than enough for him to be considered the greatest if he ever manages to win the most Slams.
 
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Deleted member 763691

Guest
The biggest streak of all:
2010 = Rafa won THREE SLAMS in a row, and they were on 3 completely different surfaces - clay, grass and hardcourt :)
Oh, and Rafa won at least one slam per year for TEN years in a row!
Masters too, 10 years in a row!
Rafa does the big things, while Djokovic and Federer can fight over the trivial things....
 

Fiero425

Legend
Bruh I had such a crush on Robin in that movie :love:

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I'm a lot older, so not only was a fortunate enough to see Chris playing Robin looking so hot, I fell in love with the "original" back in '66, Burt Wart! This scene stirred me before I turned 10 years old! Notice the walk as he leaves the room:

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kevaninho

Hall of Fame
What does it say about Nadal that he sucked so much in the weakest times in men's tennis?

Baby Nadal when Fed was racking up most of his titles and weeks at number 1.
And injured Nadal when Djokovic had his 2015-16 run.

These guys need Nadal to not be in the picture to have this type of success.
The same is said of the other 2, when 1 is out, the rest pile up more success than they would've, had all 3 been healthy/in form.
 

Fiero425

Legend
Baby Nadal when Fed was racking up most of his titles and weeks at number 1.
And injured Nadal when Djokovic had his 2015-16 run.

These guys need Nadal to not be in the picture to have this type of success.
The same is said of the other 2, when 1 is out, the rest pile up more success than they would've, had all 3 been healthy/in form.

The same could be said of Nadal! He was obviously younger and fitter than Federer way back when, but still lost early on! Rafa still owned Roger and was successful enough to beat him on his fave surface on grass in '08! Rafa was fortunate enough to have a 2nd or 3rd life with Nole being out 2017-early '18, racking up majors and Masters events! All 3 have had their time and it's as fair as can be except for the age disparity! :unsure:
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
I'm a lot older, so not only was a fortunate enough to see Chris playing Robin looking so hot, I fell in love with the "original" back in '66, Burt Wart! This scene stirred me before I turned 10 years old! Notice the walk as he leaves the room:

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Serving 60's realness :D
 

DSH

Talk Tennis Guru
Nadal cannot be the GOAT without dominating the whole season like his two contemporaries Djokovic and Federer did.

Only if he wins a ridicolous number of Slams we could forget about this big flaw.

 

DSH

Talk Tennis Guru
This thread is cherry picking on a level not seen since George Washington :-D:-D:-D

Only player who won a Slam in 10 consecutive years
Only player who won a MS in 10 consecutive years
Highest surface match streak with 81 consecutive clay wins
etc

We get it, Fed and especially Djokovic are more dominant on hard courts, which are 2/3 of the tour.

That's what most of your statistics boil down to, for the very transparent reason that it suits your personal bias :X3:

Only player in the Open Era to win Slams on clay: Roland Garros, on grass: Wimbledon and on hardcourts: US Open in the same season.
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Incognito

Legend
Lol..

In 2008 Nadal won 32 straight matches spanning 3 surfaces, from Hamburg to Cincy. Beat that!!! (Hamburg, FO, Queens, Wimbledon & Canada).

Those streaks of Djokovic are all HCs or maximum 2 surfaces.

Can you imagine what Nadal streaks would have been If all tournaments post wimbledon were on clay.
 

JaoSousa

Hall of Fame
Longest winning streak

Djokovic 43 (Davis 2010 - RG 2011)
Federer 41 (UO 2006 - Dubai 2007)
Federer 35 (Halle 2005 - YEC 2005)

Big Tournaments

Djokovic 43 (Paris 2014 - RG 2015)
Djokovic 33 (AO 2011 - RG 2011)

Grand Slam

Djokovic 30 (WI 2015 - WI 2016)
Federer 27 (WI 2005 - RG 2006)
Federer 27 (WI 2006 - RG 2007)
Djokovic 27 (WI 2011 - RG 2012)
Djokovic 26 (WI 2018 - RG 2019)

Against top-10

Federer 24 (YEC 2003 - AO 2005)
Federer 17 (WI 2006 - Dubai 2007)
Djokovic 17 (YEC 2015 - Rome 2016)

Titles won

Federer 7 (UO 2006 - Dubai 2007)
Djokovic 7 (AO 2011 - Rome 2011)
Djokovic 7 (UO 2015 - AO 2016)

GS Titles

Djokovic 4 (WI 2015 - RG 2016)

Big Titles

Djokovic 7 (Paris 2014 - Rome 2015)
Djokovic 7 (UO 2015 - Miami 2016)

Finals reached

Federer 17 (2005 Halle - 2006 Canada)
Djokovic 17 (2015 AO - 2016 AO)

Slam finals

Federer 10 (2005 WI - 2007 UO)
Federer 8 (2008 RG - 2010 AO)
Djokovic 6 (2015 AO - 2016 RG)

Big finals

Djokovic 18 (Paris 2014 - Miami 2016)
Federer 12 (WI 2005 - Canada 2006)

Slam semifinals

Federer 23 (Wimbledon 2004 - Australian Open 2010)
Djokovic 14 (Wimbledon 2010 - US Open 2013)
Djokovic 9 (RG 2014 - RG 2016)

Slam quarterfinals

Federer 36 (Wimbledon 2004 - RG 2013)
Djokovic 28 (Wimbledon 2009 - RG 2016)
Notice how he wrote finals made but not finals won!!
 

Lleytonstation

Talk Tennis Guru
If Nadal wins AO (a tourney he has made the F in 4 of his last 7 participations) he will make it 6 out of the last 12 slams with Roland Garros on deck. The fear is palpable.
As far as the slam race goes, it is not fear anymore, it is acceptance. If it happens I am okay with it. Fear was like half a decade ago, now (at least for me), I am enjoying Fed and Rafa's careers and can live with Fed losing the slam record.

Not fear, but acceptance.
 

alexio

G.O.A.T.
If he's not good enough on other surfaces then why does he have 3 slams more than Djokovic?
let's say he could've won 15 FO and just 2 slams on other surfaces, in this case he would be ahead of djok as well
 
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Phoenix1983

G.O.A.T.
Are you flipping high?
Nadal is a 5 time Year End #1. He's been the best player on the tour in not 1 but 5 seasons. Highest career winning percentage in tennis history, record 35 Masters 1000s and also 19 Slams, three more than Djokovic. The numbers don't lie. 20 > 19 >>> 16.

Lew knows Nadal is a fair amount greater than Novak Djokovic at present.

More slams, more Masters, higher winning percentage, same no of years as world No 1.

In most key metrics, Nadal is ahead.
 

Lew II

G.O.A.T.
Lol..

In 2008 Nadal won 32 straight matches spanning 3 surfaces, from Hamburg to Cincy. Beat that!!! (Hamburg, FO, Queens, Wimbledon & Canada).

Those streaks of Djokovic are all HCs or maximum 2 surfaces.

Can you imagine what Nadal streaks would have been If all tournaments post wimbledon were on clay.
We're all good with ifs.

IF clay didn't exist Nadal wouldn't be a GOAT contender.
 

BringBackSV

Hall of Fame
Nadal cannot be the GOAT without dominating the whole season like his two contemporaries Djokovic and Federer did.

Only if he wins a ridicolous number of Slams we could forget about this big flaw.

There are no established requirements for "goathood" nor is there such thing as a goat.

Why make up such nonsense?
 
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