Top Ten players of the Open Era (Since Laver)

abmk said:
We know he's the most accomplished on a surface out of any players, but even Nadal on clay at #1 is very debatable if we're strictly talking about highest level of play on a surface ...
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Borg has a more dominant RG performance than Nadal has ever had in terms of % games won. Maybe Borg was the best on a single surface. Maybe there are other candidates.
 
tennisaddict said:
Becker didnt win much on clay.

Wilander on clay, hard and grass.

On top of that, Wilander has 1 more major and hence he rightly took spot No. 10 for me.

Borg, even with 11 majors , is No. 2 for me. There were only 3 majors during his time and he was good on all surfaces and dominated field. Sampras was weak on clay. Rafa was not as dominant as Borg.
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wilander's grass slam was a joke...
 
abmk said:
We know he's the most accomplished on a surface out of any players, but even Nadal on clay at #1 is very debatable if we're strictly talking about highest level of play on a surface ...
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Yes, but I think that's very strict. 3 extra RG over Borg essentially removes all debate IMO. Even in regards to peak play because it shows that Nadal is great enough on the surface anyway to win 3 more RG because his general level is so great. I don't think there can be a complete separation of peak level and "regular" level. At least certainly not in this case. He also has completely dominated MC and Rome and won Hamburg, Madrid twice, and Barcelona a bunch of times. Of course, Borg retired early, but that can't be held against Nadal or seen as a plus for Borg either.
 
Steve0904 said:
Yes, but I think that's very strict. 3 extra RG over Borg essentially removes all debate IMO. Even in regards to peak play because it shows that Nadal is great enough on the surface anyway to win 3 more RG because his general level is so great. I don't think there can be a complete separation of peak level and "regular" level. At least certainly not in this case. He also has completely dominated MC and Rome and won Hamburg, Madrid twice, and Barcelona a bunch of times. Of course, Borg retired early, but that can't be held against Nadal or seen as a plus for Borg either.
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The only real argument is the ease with which Borg won RG in some years.
http://tennis28.com/slams/games_winpct_tournament.html
 
1.Federer
2.Borg
3.Sampras
4.Nadal
5.Connors
6.Lendl
7.McEnroe
8.Djokovc
9.Agassi
10.Edberg
 
What would Federer and Djokovic need to do to get into your top 10?
 
Cesc Fabregas said:
Not have TMF and Chico as fans.
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Completely reasonable. Chico is at least banned so perhaps you can drop Djoker in the list somewhere. I'm not sure how Sampras makes it to top spot though with that fetid 90's Clay around though.
 
i expect Vanioman and Natf and the rest of the ************* to question and quote Cescgastly list as a good joke... and Mods to delete it

i mean... no double standards right?
 
According to my "best-ever" criteria
1) Sampras
2) Federer
3) Borg
4) Djokovic
5) Connors
6) McEnroe
7) Lendl
8 ) Nadal
9) Edberg
10) Hewitt

According to the criteria: If my life depended on my pick winning one match against anyone on any surface in their prime, who would I want to play for me?

1) Nadal
2) Federer
3) Borg
4) Sampras
5) Connors
6) Djokovic
7) McEnroe
8 ) Lendl
9) Hewitt
10) Edberg
 
Gorecki said:
i expect Vanioman and Natf and the rest of the ************* to question and quote Cescgastly list as a good joke... and Mods to delete it

i mean... no double standards right?
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You probably think Ronaldo > Messi so your opinions should not be taken seriously!
 
mightyrick said:
According to my "best-ever" criteria
1) Sampras
2) Federer
3) Borg
4) Djokovic
5) Connors
6) McEnroe
7) Lendl
8 ) Nadal
9) Edberg
10) Hewitt

According to the criteria: If my life depended on my pick winning one match against anyone on any surface in their prime, who would I want to play for me?

1) Nadal
2) Federer
3) Borg
4) Sampras
5) Connors
6) Djokovic
7) McEnroe
8 ) Lendl
9) Hewitt
10) Edberg
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I'd like to know more about your "best ever" criteria—quite the gap there between Djokovic and Nadal, with Djokovic having the better rank.
 
Shbeals said:
There were four majors when Borg was playing.
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And the Australian Open wasn't one of them, if you read articles at the time. Borg in an Interview said the important tournaments were FO, Wimb, USO and Masters. From the fact that he played the WCT finals so much - that obviously was also an important tournament. The AO from 1972 to 1982 was an afterthought.
 
Nathaniel_Near said:
I'd like to know more about your "best ever" criteria—quite the gap there between Djokovic and Nadal, with Djokovic having the better rank.
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The criteria is pretty simple.

At the end of the tennis season (year), the player who has been the best in the world in the eyes of the ATP and ITF... the most times... is the best.

It's not overloaded. It doesn't double count. It takes all accomplishments into account. It respects all eras. It's the best criteria that I've found.
 
mightyrick said:
The criteria is pretty simple.

At the end of the tennis season (year), the player who has been the best in the world in the eyes of the ATP and ITF... the most times... is the best.

It's not overloaded. It doesn't double count. It takes all accomplishments into account. It respects all eras. It's the best criteria that I've found.
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Ah right, so the extra ITF accolade that Nole garnered does the biz.

I expect he'll end this year as the best player in the world, yet again.
 
Gorecki said:
i expect Vanioman and Natf and the rest of the ************* to question and quote Cescgastly list as a good joke... and Mods to delete it

i mean... no double standards right?
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I've slunk from my lair in the Nadal News thread to tell you the Vamos Bridage and I agree with Cesc Fabregas's list.

...

In other news any top 10 list not including Federer, Nadal and Djokovic is bogus.
 
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