Topspin Forehand - Should you tilt the torso/shoulders upwards?

Hey guys,

On the modern forehand should you consciously try to tilt your torso (the torso pointing slightly upwards instead of directly at the opponent) and shoulder angle so that your hitting shoulder is lower than your non-hitting shoulder? I can see how that might promote more topspin, but at the same time I'm not entirely convinced that it's a good thing.

This seems to be what Jeff Salzenstein is advocating in this video:

 

Hmgraphite1

Hall of Fame
So he shows h o w people arm the ball. If you lift up hitting shoulder probably tough to keep eye on t h e ball. So makes sense. The Fed pic of him doing hip hop step flat down the line prob not really Apple's to Apple's though.
 

Pete Player

Hall of Fame
Shoulder tilt is allways relative to the ball, not the shot itself. High ball, more horizontal, low ball, more tilted, but still it does not tell you, who is the better player.


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So should we consciously try to make this shoulder tilt/angle steeper? Or is it just a side effect of "patting the dog" to get the racket beneath the level of the ball?
 

ChaelAZ

Legend
I tend to drop the shoulder to help get under a ball. Probably should use more legs though at that point.
 

Pete Player

Hall of Fame
I think, instead of the tilt, one should concentrate to have relaxed levators. ”High shoulder” up at your ears as if you’d be cold, would tell that the shot was forced.


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5263

G.O.A.T.
I think, instead of the tilt, one should concentrate to have relaxed levators. ”High shoulder” up at your ears as if you’d be cold, would tell that the shot was forced.


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What about this Pete?

More tilt when swinging to a falling ball, putting the shoulders more congruent with the path of the incoming ball...then shoulders more horizontal for the flatter incoming balls that are more horizontal in how they come at you. Matching the shoulder plane more to the incoming ball path plane...
 

Pete Player

Hall of Fame
What about this Pete?

More tilt when swinging to a falling ball, putting the shoulders more congruent with the path of the incoming ball...then shoulders more horizontal for the flatter incoming balls that are more horizontal in how they come at you. Matching the shoulder plane more to the incoming ball path plane...
Yes, I think I covered that in one of them previous posts.


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Kevo

Legend
I think instruction like in that video is pretty silly. He basically says in the video if the ball is out of the strike zone then the shoulders will change. In other words the location of the incoming ball will determine the tilt or not of the shoulders. So what's the point of instructing people to tilt their shoulders a certain way.

How about fixing the chicken wing elbow that he demonstrates earlier in the video. That seems like something that would indicate a true stroke deficiency.

So short answer to your question. No, you should not consciously be tilting your shoulders. The tilt should be a consequence of addressing the ball with a proper swing path for the stroke you are trying to hit.
 

NuBas

Legend
Hey guys,

On the modern forehand should you consciously try to tilt your torso (the torso pointing slightly upwards instead of directly at the opponent) and shoulder angle so that your hitting shoulder is lower than your non-hitting shoulder? I can see how that might promote more topspin, but at the same time I'm not entirely convinced that it's a good thing.

This seems to be what Jeff Salzenstein is advocating in this video:
What Jeff was trying to demonstrate was the difference between players who arm the ball versus players who utilize proper body alignment and mechanics. Don't think about it too much, you do it naturally once you turn sideways and bend low to strike the ball. There are a lot of things you can think about in tennis but if you can identify that ONE thing that connects everything else, then you only need to focus on that one thing and not a dozen things.

The way you are thinking about it is like saying, do you tilt your shoulders upward or downward to pick up an item on the floor or one on the shelf and its neither, you just pick up the item whether its on the table or on a shelf, your shoulders are naturally gonna be tiled/diagonal.
 

FiReFTW

Legend
What Jeff was trying to demonstrate was the difference between players who arm the ball versus players who utilize proper body alignment and mechanics. Don't think about it too much, you do it naturally once you turn sideways and bend low to strike the ball. There are a lot of things you can think about in tennis but if you can identify that ONE thing that connects everything else, then you only need to focus on that one thing and not a dozen things.

The way you are thinking about it is like saying, do you tilt your shoulders upward or downward to pick up an item on the floor or one on the shelf and its neither, you just pick up the item whether its on the table or on a shelf, your shoulders are naturally gonna be tiled/diagonal.
Awesome post!
 

Pete Player

Hall of Fame
What Jeff was trying to demonstrate was the difference between players who arm the ball versus players who utilize proper body alignment and mechanics. Don't think about it too much, you do it naturally once you turn sideways and bend low to strike the ball. There are a lot of things you can think about in tennis but if you can identify that ONE thing that connects everything else, then you only need to focus on that one thing and not a dozen things.

The way you are thinking about it is like saying, do you tilt your shoulders upward or downward to pick up an item on the floor or one on the shelf and its neither, you just pick up the item whether its on the table or on a shelf, your shoulders are naturally gonna be tiled/diagonal.
+1

Excellently articulated.

Just a thought, say you tilt hitting side shoulder down on a high ball and lift the hand to make contact. How easy would that be?

High balls are kind of problematic, cause gravity will not help in swinging the racket freely. You need to adjust the path by tilting the other way and try not to lift, but let the racket fly up.


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NuBas

Legend
+1

Excellently articulated.

Just a thought, say you tilt hitting side shoulder down on a high ball and lift the hand to make contact. How easy would that be?

High balls are kind of problematic, cause gravity will not help in swinging the racket freely. You need to adjust the path by tilting the other way and try not to lift, but let the racket fly up.


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Sorry, I'm not sure I understand what you are saying :confused:
 
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