Toroline

[Bxb]

No our lists are ok just different placement. My list begins from softer (top of the list) to stiffer going downwards at the bottom

I still cant decide which is better. Wasabi pro or wasabi. Have you tried those two by yourself? Any thoughts ?

Check the lists again. They're all over the place to one another. E.g. in the list they gave to you Super Toro and Toro Toro are middle of pack (and softer than Wasabi), whereas in the other list they are the stiffest (and stiffer than Wasabi). In your list Caviar is either soft or stiff depending on the gauge (and mostly stiffer than Wasabi and Ether apart from the thinnest gauge). In the other list Caviar is middle of the pack (and softer than Wasabi and Ether). In your list Absolute is the softest. In the other one it's stiffer than Enso Pro, Snapper and Wasabi X.

I've yet to try any. Was just chatting with one guy who's selling a few sets and I'll likely be getting a set of Wasabi X. I may try it as a cross with natural gut.

 

[dl32]

Check the lists again. They're all over the place to one another. E.g. in the list they gave to you Super Toro and Toro Toro are middle of pack (and softer than Wasabi), whereas in the other list they are the stiffest (and stiffer than Wasabi). In your list Caviar is either soft or stiff depending on the gauge (and mostly stiffer than Wasabi and Ether apart from the thinnest gauge). In the other list Caviar is middle of the pack (and softer than Wasabi and Ether). In your list Absolute is the softest. In the other one it's stiffer than Enso Pro, Snapper and Wasabi X.

I've yet to try any. Was just chatting with one guy who's selling a few sets and I'll likely be getting a set of Wasabi X. I may try it as a cross with natural gut.

Wasabi x works with gut pretty well.

 

[Bxb]

Wasabi x works with gut pretty well.

Nice one. Waiting to hear about that set (there was one other person before me asking about the multiple sets the guy was selling; if he doesn't take the Wasabi X then it's mine edit. Just confirmed the Wasabi X was left for me ). It'll then be either that or Poly Tour Pro for the crosses. For Ezone 98. I've gotten the impression Wasabi X might provide for a more lasting setup... Maintaining its tension better.

 

[dl32]

It does have some legs on it.

I used only string gut with Alu or Alu rough.
I tried a bunch of crosses in the past six months including the ISO, MSV, PTP and the other round from Toroline, I believe it’s called absolute.

Wasabi X is my favorite so far and didn’t stiffen up the gut too much. The gut kept more of its characteristics with respect to touch/feel/pocketing. Seems like a good pairing.

 

[faded_lines]

Can anyone compare Wasabi X to Enso Pro? Both are round and super slick.

 

[dl32]

I have both and tried both with gut.

Full bed, I like enso a lot.
As a gut cross, I prefer wasabi x and I have not used it in a full bed and don’t plan on it.

The Enso will stiffen the stringbed more, which some people may like. I preferred the wasabi x as it just let the gut do more of its thing.

Although both are slick and round, wasabi x seems more gentle on the gut. Performance wise, other than feel preference, both did their job well.

 

[soulkeeper]

@dl32 with 1.25mm gut?

 

[nov]

Anyone know toroline strings stiffness rating, for example wasabi and wasabi x?

 

[JFrijhoff]

For anyone interested this is their ranking from softest to stiffest (top to bottom).

ABSOLUTE 1.20
WASABI X 1.23
SNAPPER 1.23
CAVIAR 1.16
ENSO PRO PINK 1.24
ENSO PRO YELLOW 1.25
ENSO PRO CARBON 1.25
TORO TORO 1.23
SUPER TORO 1.23
ETHER 1.20
WASABI GREEN 1.23
WASABI PINK 1.23
WASABI RED 1.23
CAVIAR 1.20
WASABI CARBON 1.23
CAVIAR 1.24

how did you get to that list? I posted a few weeks ago this order. All that according to Toroline CS, they're probably just messing with us and laughing at these posts LOL

From the stiffest to the softer:

-Super Toro (The stiffer and sharpest) | 6 sides | 1.23

-Toro Toro (as sharp as Super Toro) | 6 sides | 1.23

-Wasabi (not too edgy) | 4 sides | 1.23

-*Ether (Wasabi but thinner) | 4 sides | 1.20

-Caviar (not edgy, more pocketing) | 6 sides | 1.24 / 1.20 / 1.16

-Absolute | 6 sides | 1.20

-Enso Pro | Round | 1.24 / 1.25

-Snapper | 8 sides | 1.23

-Wasabi-X (Best for snapback) | Round | 1.23

These were shared not too long ago in this thread. You should note, like others have responded to this, that this rating doesn't necessarily correspond to how people experience the stiffness of the strings while playing.

 

[Bxb]

These were shared not too long ago in this thread. You should note, like others have responded to this, that this rating doesn't necessarily correspond to how people experience the stiffness of the strings while playing.

Not only that, the two ratings have discrepancies. Which one is correct, no one knows (I believe the one given to Jon Bruce seems closer to what people have reported here though).

 

[Nicholas Noker]

I strung up the Caviar last night, as mains, and I put a slick, round poly as crosses (Technifibre Red Code Wax -- just because it's a leftover from a reel that I'm trying to use up). 44 / 42 lbs. I'm playing tonight so I will update again soon.

The string packaging is rectangular because they cut the string into 2 pieces and placed them side by side. Each piece is ~23' or so, pretty generous cuts.

How much code red you got left? Wanna sell it?

 

[PCunique]

Guys, how you compare comfort between Toroline Pro hybrid and Restring zero?

I found pro hybrid more comfortable than zero.

 

[faded_lines]

Agreed there. Pro Hybrid has more pop and feels softer. In comparison, Zero feels lower powered and more dead. I'll have to try Zero again and string it 2 lbs lower than my usual 48lbs and see if that helps bring out more pop and ball pocketing.

 

[JFrijhoff]

I remember back then trying full wasabi on my aeros at the time. I def agree that I was not getting the consistent feeling in the string bed despite trying different tensions.

On my percept 97 I did play a few of my best matches with the kpro strung at 50 but always wanted to try dropping the tension like the strings Im using not just to save my stash.

Hoping you like the caviar in a full set bc I know I enjoyed it back on my aeros back then. My next test will be snapper since my friends did tell me that played a lot like poly tour rev.

Ew, didn't enjoy the full bed of Caviar (21 kg, 46 lbs) so far, with a one hour training session. Not sure how to describe it, just felt not really connected to the ball, and jarring. Granted, it was 9 pm, was very tired, and outdoor with lights is not my favourite setting, so will give it some more time.

 

[faded_lines]

Ew, didn't enjoy the full bed of Caviar (21 kg, 46 lbs) so far, with a one hour training session. Not sure how to describe it, just felt not really connected to the ball, and jarring. Granted, it was 9 pm, was very tired, and outdoor with lights is not my favourite setting, so will give it some more time.

What is your usual string setup?

 

[JFrijhoff]

What is your usual string setup?

Don't have one, so I'm trying to figure it out . Have been playing since I was a kid (natural-gut-times-before-poly-times), have been playing with first gen Pure Strike for a long time, didn't bother too much about which string, which ended up being RPM blast put in by the shop. I now landed fairly well on using a ProKennex Black Ace Pro and Head Gravity MP, after testing many rackets. I've liked Hyper-G in some, really like poly tour fire in the Vcore series, liked the comfort of Velocity or RIP control in the PK. Zero in the PK was Ok, not great.

 

[galapagos]

my tennis identity with Toroline Omakase experience.
i already tried toro toro and k-pop. I hope I will share the reviews soon

 

[faded_lines]

my tennis identity with Toroline Omakase experience.
i already tried toro toro and k-pop. I hope I will share the reviews soon

Awesome! Can't wait to see your review!

 

[Roforot]

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[HypnoticLasagna]

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[Tennis And Anime Lover]

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[TheBoom]

Anyone know toroline strings stiffness rating, for example wasabi and wasabi x?

I don’t know any numbers, but wasabi is probably one of the softest polys I’ve used. I have to string with x (similar stiffness to hyper g ish) to make use it. Otherwise I don’t get enough feedback

 

[Roforot]

I find it tough to get a good wave pattern w wasabi x or ether/enso For using racquettune. So other than hype, there is something to the strings/coating. Ive used hyperG and tecnifibre 4s crossing w ghostwire w racquettune so its not just the 4 sided nature. It makes it hard to track tension loss. I cut out the wasabi after 7 hrs / nearly 4 weeks because it seemed dead and was launching a bit. Ether/enso was awesome in first 2 sets of singles. Ill play w it primarily this upcoming week and see how long it feels good. No double faults and mYbe 2-3 groundstrokes that went long. Missed a fair number of volleys but that was my fault not the strings.

 

[nov]

I don’t know any numbers, but wasabi is probably one of the softest polys I’ve used. I have to string with x (similar stiffness to hyper g ish) to make use it. Otherwise I don’t get enough feedback

You mean wasabi pro hybrid?

 

[TheBoom]

You mean wasabi pro hybrid?

Correct. After trying wasabi and wasabi x separately, I use the wasabi pro hybrid now

 

[faded_lines]

I am about 4 hours in playing with Wasabi Pro. It’s definitely livelier and softer than K-Pro at the same tension. I’ll probably go up 1 or 2 lbs when I restring the Wasabi Pro.

 

[superjon027]

It does have some legs on it.

I used only string gut with Alu or Alu rough.
I tried a bunch of crosses in the past six months including the ISO, MSV, PTP and the other round from Toroline, I believe it’s called absolute.

Wasabi X is my favorite so far and didn’t stiffen up the gut too much. The gut kept more of its characteristics with respect to touch/feel/pocketing. Seems like a good pairing.

Was thinking of pairing Wilson gut with Wasabi X. Could you compare how it plays as a cross versus Alu Rough....spin, durability, feel? Thanks!

 

[faded_lines]

Was thinking of pairing Wilson gut with Wasabi X. Could you compare how it plays as a cross versus Alu Rough....spin, durability, feel? Thanks!

Should be pretty good with gut in the mains. Wasabi X is slick and should give snap back for the gut. Only one way to find out!

 

[dl32]

Was thinking of pairing Wilson gut with Wasabi X. Could you compare how it plays as a cross versus Alu Rough....spin, durability, feel? Thanks!

Crosses to me are about letting the mains be free to move/snap without getting in the way. Wasabi X is softer so I think it lets you string the gut tighter without stiffening the stringbed up too much.

The Wasabi x is slick and let the gut snap nicely on it. It was soft to the point that it felt mushy. It’s a good backer and seemed to keep tension well including resisting notching well.

I’m liking it more than Alu or Alu rough. That said, I’m starting to really like a full bed of Toroline.

I’ve been messing with K Pop, Super Toro + Wasabi X and what seems to be my favorite, Wasabi Pro ( Wasabi + Wasabi X). I’m liking this hybrids more than gut/poly and it’s not bothering my elbow whatsoever.

Tested the above in a flexy H22 and the 2024 Speed MP.

 

[superjon027]

Crosses to me are about letting the mains be free to move/snap without getting in the way. Wasabi X is softer so I think it lets you string the gut tighter without stiffening the stringbed up too much.

The Wasabi x is slick and let the gut snap nicely on it. It was soft to the point that it felt mushy. It’s a good backer and seemed to keep tension well including resisting notching well.

I’m liking it more than Alu or Alu rough. That said, I’m starting to really like a full bed of Toroline.

I’ve been messing with K Pop, Super Toro + Wasabi X and what seems to be my favorite, Wasabi Pro ( Wasabi + Wasabi X). I’m liking this hybrids more than gut/poly and it’s not bothering my elbow whatsoever.

Tested the above in a flexy H22 and the 2024 Speed MP.

Thanks for the response. My current string setup is actually the Wasabi Pro (pink/blue) in my RF97. It’s the only full poly setup I like in the RF. Provides good spin and is soft enough for a stiffer racquet. Was looking to try gut mains for a little more pop and feel though.

 

[dl32]

It’s worth trying gut mains in the RF. I used it for a few years and liked it for the most part but wanted a softer frame with more modern attributes.

I only used gut/poly with Alu. I’m obviously a Fed fan, but the gut definitely tamed some of the harshness especially off center.

It’s worth going gut + Wasabi X, it will just soften things up and keep the good attributes.

 

[faded_lines]

Had a great two hour hitting session tonight with my customized PA98s. One has K-Pro and the other has Wasabi Pro. The K-Pro felt very crisp compared to the Wasabi Pro. The Wasabi Pro was definitely my favorite tonight as it provided a softer feel and great pocketing.

Think I will try 16g Wilson Natural Gut + Enso Pro next for fun, since I have the sets on hand. Any recommendations on tension? Thinking about going 56/52.

 

[Bxb]

Crosses to me are about letting the mains be free to move/snap without getting in the way. Wasabi X is softer so I think it lets you string the gut tighter without stiffening the stringbed up too much.

The Wasabi x is slick and let the gut snap nicely on it. It was soft to the point that it felt mushy. It’s a good backer and seemed to keep tension well including resisting notching well.

I’m liking it more than Alu or Alu rough. That said, I’m starting to really like a full bed of Toroline.

I’ve been messing with K Pop, Super Toro + Wasabi X and what seems to be my favorite, Wasabi Pro ( Wasabi + Wasabi X). I’m liking this hybrids more than gut/poly and it’s not bothering my elbow whatsoever.

Tested the above in a flexy H22 and the 2024 Speed MP.

What tensions did you go with with the nat gut Wasabi X hybrid (and which racket was this)?

 

[jguttentag]

Played with K Pro last night. Had a practice match then a 90 minute clinic hit. I requested my shop to string it at 48/46, which is around my normal tension and this was my first time playing with any hybrids. Well, I do not know what happened, but it was easily in the mid to high 50s. The coach of the clinic laughed when I told him what I asked for the tension to be. That being said I was blown away. Even at the high tension the pocketing and feel felt great. It was one of the best matches I ever played. Balls that I thought were going out just kept landing in. Once I realized that I really started to up my aggression and I was crushing forehand returns and going for shots that I normally would not go for in a match. As long as I completed my stroke the ball was going in. Volleys were crisp. Backhand slices felt great. The only shot I could not get dialed in was my forehand slice. It kept floating on me, but that could have been down to poor technique that day. I was blown away.

For the 90 minute clinic the club only buys new cases after every 8 week session. So the dead balls combined with the higher than normal tension killed the great feeling I was getting from the strings during the match. I was getting comments on my balls still being heavier than usual, but the feel was definitely not the same.

I still have a set of K Pop, but I am going to have to order a new set of K Pro to try again because I have no idea what tension my racket was strung at. I will be interested to see the playability differences at the tension I prefer.

I have now played with K Pop for 12 hours at 50/48 and K Pro again for a few hours at 50/48. I definitely enjoy K Pro more than K Pop. K Pop is definitely softer. The pocketing is great, but I was getting that soft mushy feeling on off center balls a lot which I did not like feed back wise. They play very similar with the slight edge on control to K Pro and I prefer the more firm feel. I really like K Pro, but on the second go around I noticed my racket feeling heavier with both K Pop and K Pro in it. I play with tour sniper which I would say is a heavier than average string, so maybe it has to do with the thicker gauge, but after months with the 97D it's never felt heavy till now. Maybe I was just tired the past two days. Does anyone have any details on the strings being heavier than average?

 

[TheBoom]

Just hit with super toro. It’s probably the closest thing to Hyper G that toroline has (IMO). Imagine hyper g soft, make it a bit softer and boom, you have super toro.

I still think Wasabi Pro hybrid still is better across the board though

 

[faded_lines]

Just hit with super toro. It’s probably the closest thing to Hyper G that toroline has (IMO). Imagine hyper g soft, make it a bit softer and boom, you have super toro.

I still think Wasabi Pro hybrid still is better across the board though

I haven't tried super toro, but I have tried Wasabi Pro. Compared to K-Pro, Wasabi pro is very soft and plush, with more power. I think if I restring Wasabi Pro I will have to bump up the tension 2 lbs or so, but it's a great setup! Do you find super toro more crisp than Wasabi Pro?

 

[TheBoom]

Definitely more crisp than wasabi pro (which I like). I think they’re fairly comparable, but I do think I get maybe a bit more spin on wasabi pro, and slightly better predictability. Going to have to hit a bit more to compare the two

 

[The Big Kahuna]

For anyone interested to spend money and time (because I will) these are all the hybrid suggestions from Toroline. I choose brighter color combos as they play more lively. Please correct me if i forgot sth

My plan is first to try all their strings in full bed and those who i don’t like at all I won’t try them at hybrid. So i am thinking to first compare k pop with a full bed of wasabi or caviar.

1)k pro

2)wasabi pro

3)wasabi pink / enso pro pink

4)wasabi pink / toro toro

5)toro toro/ enso pro pink tighter

6)toro toro / wasabi x tighter

7)k pop

8)super toro / enso pro pink tighter the cross

9)super toro / wasabi x tighter

I have hit with both TORO TORO hybrids (Enso Pro and Wasabi X) mentioned above.

Although the Wasabi X is stated by Toroline to be a softer string, I found the Enzo pro plays a little more open and softer in my Ballot Pure Aero. Both have wonderful bite and control but both hybrids lack much pocketing or feel. Both play fairly crisp and firm - a bit too form for my taste. I am going to try the Absolute as a cross string next and see if that helps open up the string better give me a bit more pocketing and feel.

If not, I'm gonna try mixing the Toro Toro with T1 Ghostwire, which is my secret weapon for adding a bit more pocketing and dwell time. I may do the same with a set of SNAPPER in the mains to compare, as well.

 

[The Big Kahuna]

Has anyone tried the Toroline experimental blend?

Yes. That is TORO TORO + Wasabi X. See above.

 

[The Big Kahuna]

Got 1.5 hours with the full bed of snapper in the diadem elevate v3. It felt pretty nice, had pretty good pop, pocketing, and low launch angle. It felt like a cheap version of grapplesnake tour M8, little plasticy but still kind of had the same buttery feel that M8 does. I prefer M8 to snapper, but still like to have less edges on my main string. Maybe it would work well for me as a cross, but not for me at the moment, I have a sneaky suspicion it is going to get launchy sooner than I want it to.

Personally, the Grapplesnake line of strings feel to me you be superior formulations to almost anything out there - especially Toroline. Where Toroline excels is with one really good string (Toro Toro) and super sales and marketing IMO. Nothing in the Toroline roaster feels anything close to Tour Sniper, Tour M8, or Alpha. I wish it did.

 

[The Big Kahuna]

Enso isn't a cross string like Wasabi x is

Anything is a cross string is you want it to be. Ideally you're looking for something that is slick and slippery for the main strings to slide over that doesn't facilitate notching in the mains. Some of the best are: Yonex Pro Tour FIRE 1.20; Weiss CANNON Silverstring 17; MSV Co-Focus 17L (1.18); T1 Ghost Wire (1.18); RPM Blast; Lux 4G and ALU Power Soft, and Grapplesnake Tour M8.

Of the round polys out there under $15. a set, I have found these most often cited as favorites on the TW Discussion Board as ideal poly cross strings: Tier 1 Ghostwire ($10.); Isospeed Cream ($9.); Kirschbaum Max Power 18 ($7.); Signum Pro Poly Plasma ($14.); and Wilson Revolve ($12).

I have tried most, but not them all. At this point I like the Tier 1 Ghostwire 19 the best. That said, I thought I would ask you for your opinion given your vast knowledge of string and what is out there. What are your three favorites?

 

[Blade_X]

So i found a string that i didn’t like it from toroline. And that is snapper. No byte at all. Zero spin potential. Medium to low power and way too muted. Maybe it’s better suited for a slick cross. I found no benefits for my game with this string…..ball could launch too.

Caviar on the other hand was decent but nothing special too. It bytes through the ball but with a soft way like wasabi not aggressive. It produces a heavy ball but its muted nature doesn’t give you the confidence when going flat. It’s also very soft and has a launchy behaviour too. The more spin you apply the better it gets.

I don’t know if anyone has noticed sth similar but caviar felt to me very heavy…. SW went way too up like lynx tour. It’s just my feeling i didn’t measure it.

 

[soulkeeper]

@Blade_X caviar 1.20 or 1,24?

 

[JOSHL]

So i found a string that i didn’t like it from toroline. And that is snapper. No byte at all. Zero spin potential. Medium to low power and way too muted. Maybe it’s better suited for a slick cross. I found no benefits for my game with this string…..ball could launch too.

Caviar on the other hand was decent but nothing special too. It bytes through the ball but with a soft way like wasabi not aggressive. It produces a heavy ball but its muted nature doesn’t give you the confidence when going flat. It’s also very soft and has a launchy behaviour too. The more spin you apply the better it gets.

I don’t know if anyone has noticed sth similar but caviar felt to me very heavy…. SW went way too up like lynx tour. It’s just my feeling i didn’t measure it.

Nice Bladez!

 

[Blade_X]

@Blade_X caviar 1.20 or 1,24?

1.24. Nothing special. Those strings are best for hybrid use in crosses. None of them wowed me like wasabi or wasabi pro.

 

[Alex7778]

What have people found to be the best set up of any toroline strings in an ezone 98 racket? Looking at changing from pro because it drops far too quickly. Would be looking for something that’s similar to the initial few hours of using ptp. Ideally has good feel/ touch, great control and can also offer spin and some power. Any help or advice would be hugely welcome cheers

 

[ulunxtns]

What have people found to be the best set up of any toroline strings in an ezone 98 racket? Looking at changing from pro because it drops far too quickly. Would be looking for something that’s similar to the initial few hours of using ptp. Ideally has good feel/ touch, great control and can also offer spin and some power. Any help or advice would be hugely welcome cheers

So far, my favorite hybrid is Toro toro/Caviar 120. Will try Super toro/Caviar next, should be similar but more control and a deader feel.

 

[TwinCinema]

What have people found to be the best set up of any toroline strings in an ezone 98 racket? Looking at changing from pro because it drops far too quickly. Would be looking for something that’s similar to the initial few hours of using ptp. Ideally has good feel/ touch, great control and can also offer spin and some power. Any help or advice would be hugely welcome cheers

You might want to try the wasabi pro hybrid (wasabi mains, wasabi x crosses). Nice blend of power and control, enough spin and good feel. Don’t string it too low because it’s lively; maybe 49 or 50

 

[Alex7778]

So far, my favorite hybrid is Toro toro/Caviar 120. Will try Super toro/Caviar next, should be similar but more control and a deader feel.

What’s the tension maintenance like with toro toro and caviar and isn’t caviar stiffer compared to ptp?

 

[Alex7778]

You might want to try the wasabi pro hybrid (wasabi mains, wasabi x crosses). Nice blend of power and control, enough spin and good feel. Don’t string it too low because it’s lively; maybe 49 or 50

Wasabi pro good for you on serve? Can it produce a heavy ball as well as offer good touch and feel with volleys? Tbf I do prefer livelier strings compared to more muted or deader strings but of course too much liveliness is an issue. Have you tried kpop by any chance?