Toroline

ulunxtns

Semi-Pro
What’s the tension maintenance like with toro toro and caviar and isn’t caviar stiffer compared to ptp?
Tension maintenance is above average, I cut off my polys after 8 hours anyway, so can't speak for the longevity. But at the 8-hour mark, the tension was still really good.

I don't find caviar much stiffer than ptp, I use 120 gauge and Caviar plays a little crsiper than ptp.
 

Alex7778

Rookie
Tension maintenance is above average, I cut off my polys after 8 hours anyway, so can't speak for the longevity. But at the 8-hour mark, the tension was still really good.

I don't find caviar much stiffer than ptp, I use 120 gauge and Caviar plays a little crsiper than ptp.
That’s the annoyance with polys. They have to be changed after 6-10 hours most of them. Did you prefer this set up compared to confidential or hyper g if you have tried those strings out? Never used toroline strings so I no real idea as to how they play, hence the amount of questions. Did you find it to produce good spin on serves and allow you to hit a heavy ball with groundstrokes or was it a more penetrating shot through the court?
 

ulunxtns

Semi-Pro
Did you find it to produce good spin on serves and allow you to hit a heavy ball with groundstrokes or was it a more penetrating shot through the court?
It has medium launch angle, controllable trajectory, not lacking spin on Serve and has a good pop. Regarding the heavy ball or penetrating shot, they are more related to technique and racquets. I don't think any strings will give you a heavy ball automatically.

I'm not too fond of confidential or hyper g feel, so I prefer this over them. Toroline strings are not expensive, you can buy a few sets to test it out. They are for sure more suited for hybrids than full bed. Strings are highly personal, you might find a good hybrid yourself through experimenting.
 

Alex7778

Rookie
It has medium launch angle, controllable trajectory, not lacking spin on Serve and has a good pop. Regarding the heavy ball or penetrating shot, they are more related to technique and racquets. I don't think any strings will give you a heavy ball automatically.

I'm not too fond of confidential or hyper g feel, so I prefer this over them. Toroline strings are not expensive, you can buy a few sets to test it out. They are for sure more suited for hybrids than full bed. Strings are highly personal, you might find a good hybrid yourself through experimenting.
That’s pretty good then. As long as it’s not too stiff, then it sounds like a decent string set up. Toroline recommended using toro toro by itself which kind of surprised me at first. If it has enough spin to hit a good kick serve, then that would be very helpful because most of the groundstrokes are flat so sometimes need that bit of help with creating spin.

I totally agree with you when it comes to confidential and hyper g as the feel with those 2 strings was pretty bad and not what I was looking for. Fortunately with toroline strings they aren’t expensive like you said so testing them is pretty nice. Out of interest, what suddenly found you testing this set up? Did you just chuck those 2 together and it clicked straight away or did someone say to you to try them?
 

ulunxtns

Semi-Pro
That’s pretty good then. As long as it’s not too stiff, then it sounds like a decent string set up. Toroline recommended using toro toro by itself which kind of surprised me at first. If it has enough spin to hit a good kick serve, then that would be very helpful because most of the groundstrokes are flat so sometimes need that bit of help with creating spin.

I totally agree with you when it comes to confidential and hyper g as the feel with those 2 strings was pretty bad and not what I was looking for. Fortunately with toroline strings they aren’t expensive like you said so testing them is pretty nice. Out of interest, what suddenly found you testing this set up? Did you just chuck those 2 together and it clicked straight away or did someone say to you to try them?
I tried K-pro and K-pop first, I liked them, but I was craving a little more responsiveness from the string bed and I didn't want to string too tight. I string my racquets around 48 lbs. So I thought about using toro toro to replace wasabi in the main, which worked for me, it has a more linear response. I use spin to control the ball or create angles, not really a loopy, spinny player here. For that purpose, Toro Toro seems working better for me, I can hit through the court better, and depth is what I care about the most on my groundstrokes. I'm trying Super Toro/Caviar next because it is just a more controlled version of Toro Toro. But Toro Toro could be a happy medium.

Regarding the crosses, I think Wasabi X and Caviar both are really good crosses. The difference is the feel, I like Caviar more for the slight crispness. But I feel like Wasabi X holds tension better if that's your priority.
 

Alex7778

Rookie
I tried K-pro and K-pop first, I liked them, but I was craving a little more responsiveness from the string bed and I didn't want to string too tight. I string my racquets around 48 lbs. So I thought about using toro toro to replace wasabi in the main, which worked for me, it has a more linear response. I use spin to control the ball or create angles, not really a loopy, spinny player here. For that purpose, Toro Toro seems working better for me, I can hit through the court better, and depth is what I care about the most on my groundstrokes. I'm trying Super Toro/Caviar next because it is just a more controlled version of Toro Toro. But Toro Toro could be a happy medium.

Regarding the crosses, I think Wasabi X and Caviar both are really good crosses. The difference is the feel, I like Caviar more for the slight crispness. But I feel like Wasabi X holds tension better if that's your priority.
See that sounds like toro toro would work best for us as well if it hits through the court pretty well. Another person recommended kpop to use in the ezone but with these toroline strings they seem to be hit and miss from reviewers. Do you think this combo has a soft touch and feel on volleys or are they more firmer and crisp? Have you tried restring zero by any chance? I know it’s slightly off topic but looking at getting a racket restrung in the coming days and was looking at this combo you suggested, kpop, restring zero and hyper g. For me hyper g felt bad in the gravity pro but was strung very high so half of me would want to try it at a lower tension to see how it played.

Gotta ask but I assume toroline strings are good strings but not as good or overhyped as some people on YouTube suggest they are if that makes sense. Seems like restring zero and toroline have come out of nowhere because people on YouTube have pushed them. Could be completely wrong but just going off of YouTube which is were you need to be cautious.
 

ulunxtns

Semi-Pro
See that sounds like toro toro would work best for us as well if it hits through the court pretty well. Another person recommended kpop to use in the ezone but with these toroline strings they seem to be hit and miss from reviewers. Do you think this combo has a soft touch and feel on volleys or are they more firmer and crisp? Have you tried restring zero by any chance? I know it’s slightly off topic but looking at getting a racket restrung in the coming days and was looking at this combo you suggested, kpop, restring zero and hyper g. For me hyper g felt bad in the gravity pro but was strung very high so half of me would want to try it at a lower tension to see how it played.

Gotta ask but I assume toroline strings are good strings but not as good or overhyped as some people on YouTube suggest they are if that makes sense. Seems like restring zero and toroline have come out of nowhere because people on YouTube have pushed them. Could be completely wrong but just going off of YouTube which is were you need to be cautious.
For touch shots, I actually prefer a firmer string bed. I really think you should just try them yourself, I had countless times that my experience didn't align with the reviews, everyone is different. I don't think Toroline strings are anything out of ordinary special besides the 'snapback', their strings do slide very well against each other. That makes it very easy to compose hybrids and find the specific one you like.
 

Alex7778

Rookie
For touch shots, I actually prefer a firmer string bed. I really think you should just try them yourself, I had countless times that my experience didn't align with the reviews, everyone is different. I don't think Toroline strings are anything out of ordinary special besides the 'snapback', their strings do slide very well against each other. That makes it very easy to compose hybrids and find the specific one you like.
Yeah it is very much a case of go and buy a bunch of different strings and give them a go and see how they play. As we mentioned previously, it’s cheap to get a load of toroline strings, it’s just matching them together and seeing which ones work well together. Overall though, these toroline strings are good and better than hyper g and some of them will have better tension maintenance than the likes of ptp but might not play as well as ptp in the first few hours of it being restrung. Did you manage to use wasabi by itself?
 

dl32

Rookie
I’m my 4th week of playing with a modern, speed mp 2023 Black and 2024 new model. I come from player frames, pro stocks mostly as I generally liked them more than retail frames but could never find a perfect fit.

At the same time, I went from playing exclusively with gut/poly to poly/poly hybrids, mostly toroline. I’ve dealt with a little golfers elbow. My guess, due to mostly technique issues as it start while using gut/poly. Ive addressed technique and I think this was all due to my transition from a classic to a more whippy modern forehand.

Fast forward today, I’m using the 2024 Black speed customized to my liking, 340 static, 32 Bal and 332 SW. The frame Is next level fast and stable. Strings are Wasabi Pro 48/50.

I’m snapping strings in about 5-6 hours but it is a damn near perfect 5 hours start to snap. Absolutely zero elbow discomfort playing 3 days consecutively, hard hitting with lots of topspin and slice. Fantastic, spin and control. Zero issues hitting flat and controlled with a relatively open 16x19 100 frame.

Going to test ether/wasabi X at 52 next. I have no issues restarting way more often than gut/poly. Wasabi Pro feels and performs better in my speed with no pain, than gut/poly (bold statement), WOW!
 

nov

Hall of Fame
I’m my 4th week of playing with a modern, speed mp 2023 Black and 2024 new model. I come from player frames, pro stocks mostly as I generally liked them more than retail frames but could never find a perfect fit.

At the same time, I went from playing exclusively with gut/poly to poly/poly hybrids, mostly toroline. I’ve dealt with a little golfers elbow. My guess, due to mostly technique issues as it start while using gut/poly. Ive addressed technique and I think this was all due to my transition from a classic to a more whippy modern forehand.

Fast forward today, I’m using the 2024 Black speed customized to my liking, 340 static, 32 Bal and 332 SW. The frame Is next level fast and stable. Strings are Wasabi Pro 48/50.

I’m snapping strings in about 5-6 hours but it is a damn near perfect 5 hours start to snap. Absolutely zero elbow discomfort playing 3 days consecutively, hard hitting with lots of topspin and slice. Fantastic, spin and control. Zero issues hitting flat and controlled with a relatively open 16x19 100 frame.

Going to test ether/wasabi X at 52 next. I have no issues restarting way more often than gut/poly. Wasabi Pro feels and performs better in my speed with no pain, than gut/poly (bold statement), WOW!
Why Wasabi x must strung 2lbs tighter in crosses?I read this also in Toroline website, but don't understand why. I always string crosses 1kg lower than mains.
 

dl32

Rookie
I think it has to do with wasabi x being softer.

I would typically string crosses lower as well.
2lbs higher works well for wasabi x when used with similar gauge mains.

When I string Ether (1.20) with Wasabi X, I’ll keep the tension the same on mains and crosses given Ether is thinner.
 

TwinCinema

Professional
I owe toro toro an apology. I called it rigor mortis earlier in this thread because of how stiff and dead it plays, but I hadn’t given it enough credit for having brilliant control and huge access to spin. It helped me win a match today and even though it’s not a great feeling or comfy string, it’s hard to argue with performance.
 

ulunxtns

Semi-Pro
I owe toro toro an apology. I called it rigor mortis earlier in this thread because of how stiff and dead it plays, but I hadn’t given it enough credit for having brilliant control and huge access to spin. It helped me win a match today and even though it’s not a great feeling or comfy string, it’s hard to argue with performance.
Try Toro toro/Caviar hybrid, so far my favorite hybrids from Toroline.
 

devoker

Rookie
Great example of how stiffness might not always match out perception, and why I don't think it's that useful to get lab numbers.

I'd have sworn Cav 1.20 was significantly softer than any Wasabi. I'd have even said it was softer than Enso Pro carbon and Wasabi X.
How would you rate them all from softest to stiffest?
 

Modal

New User
Toro Toro/Wasabi X hybrid worked amazing in my Pure Strike 18x20 4th gen. Strung at 55/57. Gave me full confidence on my strokes with ample spin. Flat serves were really nice. Kick serves also bounced fairly high. I have only hit with it once so I need some more time to experiment with it. Full bed of Super Toro was really good on my Tfight ISO 305 strung at 52/50. I was getting ample spin on my forehand with a slightly muted response that game me good confidence of hitting out.
 

Meks

New User
What would you recommend to put on GMP auxetic?
Now I like the gamma jet / tourna premium poly hybrid
I would call this set crispy
 

brentzki

Rookie
What's tension maintenance/snapback longevity like on K-Pop / K-Pro?

Thinking on ordering a few sets to Australia but shipping pretty expensive so wondering if its worth. I usually cut my strings out before I break them so would be good to know if I can get some good distance out of them.
 

lulo

Semi-Pro
No our lists are ok just different placement. My list begins from softer (top of the list) to stiffer going downwards at the bottom :) :p

I still cant decide which is better. Wasabi pro or wasabi. Have you tried those two by yourself? Any thoughts ?
I tried both of these.
Wasabi pro is just Wasabi main and Wasabi X cross which is one of my favorite set up from them.
I personally use Ether and Wasabi X cross, and I like that set up more
 

naylor73

Rookie
Nice conversation between you 2.
Train of though/ tip: when hybriding, don't exclude Caviar as a main string to hybrid with. Suggestion, try out Caviar mains, wasabi x crosses. Works very well in a frame that's not actually my favourite (Tecnifibre TF X1)
I’ve been testing this hybrid in my 21 vcore pro. Love it on groundstrokes but prefer straight caviar in this frame. I do however think caviar/x would be very well suited for a stiffer frame.
 

Casper777

Professional
Just ordered a mini reel of Enso Pro in Carbon Grey

Will most likely use it in full bed, but will also try it as a Torp Pro Hybrid (Super Toro / Enso Pro) or with Wasabi Carbon in the mains...

Any experience with Enso Pro??
 

delosalpes

Rookie
Just ordered a mini reel of Enso Pro in Carbon Grey

Will most likely use it in full bed, but will also try it as a Torp Pro Hybrid (Super Toro / Enso Pro) or with Wasabi Carbon in the mains...

Any experience with Enso Pro??
I’ve been using Enso pink as a cross fairly consistently. I love is as a cross, didn’t enjoy it so much in a full bed.
 

cmendez79

Semi-Pro
I have been using Toro Toro / Caviar set up at 40 lbs, and it’s amazing , there is enough firmess and amazing ball pocketing.

Like many have said this set up has a small launch angle, a little bit above average spin but great control.

For me it’s working wonders.

Using it on my head gravity tour pro stock 341.2
 

ulunxtns

Semi-Pro
I have been using Toro Toro / Caviar set up at 40 lbs, and it’s amazing , there is enough firmess and amazing ball pocketing.

Like many have said this set up has a small launch angle, a little bit above average spin but great control.

For me it’s working wonders.

Using it on my head gravity tour pro stock 341.2
Yeah, it's my go-to hybrids now, I started at 48/46, have gone down to 45/43, and still have enough control. I like the ball pocketing and slightly crispness from the string bed, not as dead as Super Toro in main.
 

Farbio

Rookie
Which Toroline string would have the best spin and ball pocketing and has sharper edges for bite/grip? I have tried Wasabi and Caviar at 50lbs in a 2023 Yonex Vcore 100 and liked both with a slight edge to Caviar. I am assuming adding Wasabi-X as a cross will help to soften and enhance snapback? But would love some suggestions/feedback.
 

TwinCinema

Professional
Which Toroline string would have the best spin and ball pocketing and has sharper edges for bite/grip? I have tried Wasabi and Caviar at 50lbs in a 2023 Yonex Vcore 100 and liked both with a slight edge to Caviar. I am assuming adding Wasabi-X as a cross will help to soften and enhance snapback? But would love some suggestions/feedback.

Toro toro for sure. It’s extremely stiff and low powered, but you’ll have great spin and exceptional control. You’re sacrificing feel for pocketing and bite.
 

cmendez79

Semi-Pro
Which Toroline string would have the best spin and ball pocketing and has sharper edges for bite/grip? I have tried Wasabi and Caviar at 50lbs in a 2023 Yonex Vcore 100 and liked both with a slight edge to Caviar. I am assuming adding Wasabi-X as a cross will help to soften and enhance snapback? But would love some suggestions/feedback.

My next two set ups area Wasai and Cavier ( toro toro and caviar, its great but i get a little soreness after playing) will report back.
 
Do they sell that as a set? I haven’t seen it if so. Or are you just getting reels of each and making your own…
No but I have a sneaky suspicion "experimental blend" with ToroToro / YELLOW Enso, will be like this. Since they are doing the Omakase thing, just shoot them an email, and I am sure they would make a ToroToro/Caviar Set for you.
 

Farbio

Rookie
Ok great thank you, guess if Toro Toro is the consensus. Has anyone tried crossing with Enso Pro or Wasabi-X? I would assume that a round a slick poly would enhance snapback as opposed to two shaped strings.
 

TwinCinema

Professional
Ok great thank you, guess if Toro Toro is the consensus. Has anyone tried crossing with Enso Pro or Wasabi-X? I would assume that a round a slick poly would enhance snapback as opposed to two shaped strings.

Wasabi X is a great cross. I’ve crossed it with wasabi and felt that it needed to be a little tighter because it’s so lively. I would go 49-50 on it. If you use toro toro and wasabi X then maybe 48/50 is the way to go…
 

dr. godmode

Hall of Fame
Ok great thank you, guess if Toro Toro is the consensus. Has anyone tried crossing with Enso Pro or Wasabi-X? I would assume that a round a slick poly would enhance snapback as opposed to two shaped strings.
Enso Pro yellow from the Experimental blend plays really nice with Toro Toro mains. Nice and crisp for a Toroline setup
 

Casper777

Professional
Looks like a new color of Wasabi is coming soon !!

 

faded_lines

Rookie
I haven't tried Toro Toro yet, but seems like I will have to. I've only tried K-Pop, K-Pro, Wasabi Pro and like them all quite a bit. Wasabi Pro was definitely the more lively out of the 3 and if I do string them up again, I will go up 2lbs. I just strung up some Snapper in my PA98 @ 48lbs and can't wait to try them out. I'm hoping to get a lower launch angle to help drive through a court a little more. With Wasabi in the mains, sometimes I get into a good rally and then sail one long randomly.
 

Farbio

Rookie
Enso Pro yellow from the Experimental blend plays really nice with Toro Toro mains. Nice and crisp for a Toroline setup
What tension would you string this hybrid at in a 2023 Vcore 100? I have tried Wasabi and Caviar at 50 lbs and found it to be decent
 

dr. godmode

Hall of Fame
What tension would you string this hybrid at in a 2023 Vcore 100? I have tried Wasabi and Caviar at 50 lbs and found it to be decent
I like to keep my tensions the same for experimentation to help me feel the differences between the strings themselves. Isolate variables first, then adjust later.
 

Farbio

Rookie
On another note, anyone else try Absolute? How does it compare to their other six sided polys like toro toro and caviar?
 
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