Toroline

[dudu]

he said it is so good you can't handle the truth

I appreciate this string review.
I have o-toro in two rackets right now in hybrid set ups and agree on pretty much every counts (except how can it be mute and crisp?).

I will say that a lot of what he says applies to pretty much all stiffer shaped polyesters. I feel like the profile he’s giving applies to pretty much every one I’ve tried - and I’ve tired a lot it’s my preferred string type.
You really only unlock them and feel good about them when you’re swinging hard and thus it’s really reserved for people with aggressive big cuts.
This goes for, off the top of my head… tourna BH7T, Lynx Tour, hyper G, Tour Bite.
Maybe the one place some of the other strings differ is pop/power and easier spin, but that’s minimal at best.
The more I play with different strings the more I realize the differences are minute within the same category (ie shaped round poly, 6 sided poly, SG, multi)

 

[KC!]

how’s the crispness compared to S7T?

I didn’t feel like O Toro had any where near the crispness that S7T does. In my opion Super Toro has that similar crispness feel as S7T.

 

[MSUspartans777]

I appreciate this string review.
I have o-toro in two rackets right now in hybrid set ups and agree on pretty much every counts (except how can it be mute and crisp?).

I will say that a lot of what he says applies to pretty much all stiffer shaped polyesters. I feel like the profile he’s giving applies to pretty much every one I’ve tried - and I’ve tired a lot it’s my preferred string type.
You really only unlock them and feel good about them when you’re swinging hard and thus it’s really reserved for people with aggressive big cuts.
This goes for, off the top of my head… tourna BH7T, Lynx Tour, hyper G, Tour Bite.
Maybe the one place some of the other strings differ is pop/power and easier spin, but that’s minimal at best.
The more I play with different strings the more I realize the differences are minute within the same category (ie shaped round poly, 6 sided poly, SG, multi)

What have you been hybriding with O-Toro?

 

[dudu]

What have you been hybriding with O-Toro?

Right now, I have a hybrid selected by Toroline (Super Toro 1.23) and it's been very very good - going to give it a good 10 hour trial to see, but its breaking in very nicely!
In my other frame, I have absolute 1.20 but have not yet given it much of a test.

 

[Farbio]

Right now, I have a hybrid selected by Toroline (Super Toro 1.23) and it's been very very good - going to give it a good 10 hour trial to see, but its breaking in very nicely!
In my other frame, I have absolute 1.20 but have not yet given it much of a test.

Are you doing O-Toro/Super Toro hybrid? If so which are you using in the mains and what tension?

 

[Fighting phoenix]

For what it's worth, I tried my custom omakase set, which was Super Toro mains and Wasabi X in the crosses, and it felt fantastic in my Blade v9 - no break in period, excellent pocketing and comfort, while still grabbing the ball and feeling in control of the shape and spin. 50 mains, 48 crosses - really liking this set up.

 

[KC!]

I have been testing a full bed of O Toro & I don’t like it as much as Super Toro. I’m having my Radical Pro strung with Caviar/Super Toro hybrid now. I love the crispness of Super Toro, but looking to get a little more pop with Caviar in mains. I’ll report back on my thoughts later this week.

 

[topspn]

hmmm I have some o-toro sets coming to try out. You guys are not making it sound promising. I have super toro which I like, k-pop which I also really liked but my favorite is wasabi pro in my PA98s. I'll string it up in a PA98 to compare to my wasabi pro

 

[Hesi]

I tried O-Toro on two of my most played sticks that I alternate between, the Ezone 98 and PA 100+ (which I've been using more nowadays). Surprisingly, loved it on the Ezone but not so much on the PA, which I personally have found less string sensitive in the past. Bought a few more sets to try longer term to see what's up and maybe at different tensions. I liked the crisp but soft sensation but could definitely feel the "plasticy" feel that some have noted previously (I don't mind that, really). A little stiffer than what I usually play with but not uncomfortable at all.

 

[Alex7778]

How does o toro compare to kpop in the ezones if you have tried that string? Also, how demanding is the o toro? Wonder how it compares to ptp and confidential.

 

[dr. godmode]

How does o toro compare to kpop in the ezones if you have tried that string? Also, how demanding is the o toro? Wonder how it compares to ptp and confidential.

IMO OToro is just one of those strings where you have to commit to the shot to find the spin. The power is pretty high, it's really easy to find depth because the string is so soft and the control comes through spin once you hit with enough swingspeed. A lot of spin strings lose control at high swingspeeds but OToro gets more predictable the faster you swing. KPOP is more predictable and overall better for flatter hitters imo. OToro demands good spin.

 

[HypnoticLasagna]

IMO OToro is just one of those strings where you have to commit to the shot to find the spin. The power is pretty high, it's really easy to find depth because the string is so soft and the control comes through spin once you hit with enough swingspeed. A lot of spin strings lose control at high swingspeeds but OToro gets more predictable the faster you swing. KPOP is more predictable and overall better for flatter hitters imo. OToro demands good spin.

I have a set standing by, but it is starting to sound to me like Zero.

 

[dr. godmode]

I have a set standing by, but it is starting to sound to me like Zero.

pretty diff for me. Zero doesn't feel a stretchy on contact and i have control issues with it, but its been a while since I hit Zero in a full bed so probably worth revisiting.

 

[Alex7778]

IMO OToro is just one of those strings where you have to commit to the shot to find the spin. The power is pretty high, it's really easy to find depth because the string is so soft and the control comes through spin once you hit with enough swingspeed. A lot of spin strings lose control at high swingspeeds but OToro gets more predictable the faster you swing. KPOP is more predictable and overall better for flatter hitters imo. OToro demands good spin.

Ah ok so flat hitters with ezones would be best to stick with kpop or ptp. What racket does the o toro suit then? Vcore and Aeros? Sounds really promising this o toro if you can get the best out of it. Which did you prefer o toro or zero full bed?

 

[dr. godmode]

Ah ok so flat hitters with ezones would be best to stick with kpop or ptp. What racket does the o toro suit then? Vcore and Aeros? Sounds really promising this o toro if you can get the best out of it. Which did you prefer o toro or zero full bed?

I love O-Toro and it has worked perfectly in all the 3 sticks I've tested so far: PA Rafa 290, PA Origin, Whiteout 18x20. It is in my Top 3 strings I'd use in a tournament right now and probably my favourite string of the year.

 

[Alex7778]

I love O-Toro and it has worked perfectly in all the 3 sticks I've tested so far: PA Rafa 290, PA Origin, Whiteout 18x20. It is in my Top 3 strings I'd use in a tournament right now and probably my favourite string of the year.

Wow so it’s that good. Does it produce better spin and SnapBack that zero as that seems to be the benchmark when it comes to both those things? How come you don’t think it would work better in the ezone that Kpop might I ask and what would you say is the best string for that racket?

 

[dr. godmode]

Wow so it’s that good. Does it produce better spin and SnapBack that zero as that seems to be the benchmark when it comes to both those things? How come you don’t think it would work better in the ezone that Kpop might I ask and what would you say is the best string for that racket?

I didn't say it wouldn't work well in the EZONE and I don't believe in the concept of "best string for a certain racquet." Zero still has the most spin of any racquet imo but your mileage will vary depending on your swingspeed.

 

[FrankyRelax]

I love O-Toro and it has worked perfectly in all the 3 sticks I've tested so far: PA Rafa 290, PA Origin, Whiteout 18x20. It is in my Top 3 strings I'd use in a tournament right now and probably my favourite string of the year.

Put some respeck on Pure Rush's name!

 

[dr. godmode]

Put some respeck on Pure Rush's name!

Pure Rush gets a 10/10 when you consider the price but I prefer to use OToro for the extra free spin. Working on my PR review right now which will be out next week and it's probably my budget king right now. Superb feel and control but Simon says I play better with Otoro (heavy balls)

 

[Alex7778]

I didn't say it wouldn't work well in the EZONE and I don't believe in the concept of "best string for a certain racquet." Zero still has the most spin of any racquet imo but your mileage will vary depending on your swingspeed.

I guess it’s always one of those, you have to try it and see how it plays in the racket. Totally agree as it’s most personal preference at the end of the day. Do you think o toro could be one of the best strings to use in a hybrid if it is comfortable and offers lots of spin if you fully commit to it and a better cross string than hyper g round? Must be brilliant to serve with, especially kick serves. You mention previously that it is a contender for string of the year. What was the string of the year before this got released in your opinion (just so we have an idea of what’s been good this year)?

 

[dr. godmode]

I guess it’s always one of those, you have to try it and see how it plays in the racket. Totally agree as it’s most personal preference at the end of the day. Do you think o toro could be one of the best strings to use in a hybrid if it is comfortable and offers lots of spin if you fully commit to it and a better cross string than hyper g round? Must be brilliant to serve with, especially kick serves. You mention previously that it is a contender for string of the year. What was the string of the year before this got released in your opinion (just so we have an idea of what’s been good this year)?

For me its

OToro
ReString Sync
Pure Rush

Still waiting to see what happens with Grapplesnake Tour Mako.

Pretty quiet year for new strings tbh. Nothing really noteable from the major brands.

 

[Alex7778]

For me its

OToro
ReString Sync
Pure Rush

Still waiting to see what happens with Grapplesnake Tour Mako.

Pretty quiet year for new strings tbh. Nothing really noteable from the major brands.

Completely forgot sync came out this year. Feels like a long time ago that one. As you said, nothing big from any of those brands. How did the o toro play as a full bed compared to Solinco confidential and hyper g? Could you see this string becoming your main string after more sessions with it in the whiteout? How did you find it with touch shots and feel on the ball?

 

[mrpuddles]

My order shipped. Delivery Saturday. Stoked.

 

[dudu]

Completely forgot sync came out this year. Feels like a long time ago that one. As you said, nothing big from any of those brands. How did the o toro play as a full bed compared to Solinco confidential and hyper g? Could you see this string becoming your main string after more sessions with it in the whiteout? How did you find it with touch shots and feel on the ball?

Feels harsher to me from early play than hyper G. Confidential I found very stiff and so my personal non extensive rankings O toro would be in between with respect to comfort.
I have no complaints regarding spin, I think O toro definitely spins better than both Solinco. But it’s also a little lower powered and demanding.
I really like hyper G though

 

[topspn]

For me its

OToro
ReString Sync
Pure Rush

Still waiting to see what happens with Grapplesnake Tour Mako.

Pretty quiet year for new strings tbh. Nothing really noteable from the major brands.

I haven’t tried Pure Rush but have some o-toro on the way. I assume you’ve played Wasabi or Wasabi Pro which I’m a big fan of. What’s your quick take how they compare?

 

[dr. godmode]

I haven’t tried Pure Rush but have some o-toro on the way. I assume you’ve played Wasabi or Wasabi Pro which I’m a big fan of. What’s your quick take how they compare?

I've had O-Toro, Wasabi grey/WasX and PR all in my PA Rafa in the last month. Wasabi sounds the deepest and most cannon-like, but the hitting feel is more muted that OT and PR. Overall I think it plays pretty averagely. Good balance of playability. OT is crisper and has 10/10 spin. OT was the 3rd string I tried in the PARAfa and I've gone through 3 sets now. I'm certain there's balls that find the baseline with OT that float a few inches long with Wasabi or PR. PR has the worst spin of the lot but the most connected feel. Touch shots and net play also best with PR. I found OT to be a little bit sloppy at slow swing speed. You have to knife slices firmly or rip groundstrokes to get the most out of the string because there's so much inherent power. Once you get enough swingspeed, the balls dive down hard, but if you don't commit they can sail. It wouldn't call OT launchy in this way, it doesn't feel unpredictable because the harder you hit the better it plays. IMO unpredictable strings get worse the harder you hit.

 

[Trip]

I've had O-Toro, Wasabi grey/WasX and PR all in my PA Rafa in the last month. Wasabi sounds the deepest and most cannon-like, but the hitting feel is more muted that OT and PR. Overall I think it plays pretty averagely. Good balance of playability. OT is crisper and has 10/10 spin. OT was the 3rd string I tried in the PARAfa and I've gone through 3 sets now. I'm certain there's balls that find the baseline with OT that float a few inches long with Wasabi or PR. PR has the worst spin of the lot but the most connected feel. Touch shots and net play also best with PR. I found OT to be a little bit sloppy at slow swing speed. You have to knife slices firmly or rip groundstrokes to get the most out of the string because there's so much inherent power. Once you get enough swingspeed, the balls dive down hard, but if you don't commit they can sail. It wouldn't call OT launchy in this way, it doesn't feel unpredictable because the harder you hit the better it plays. IMO unpredictable strings get worse the harder you hit.

Sounds to me like the classic dilemma of overly shaped and/or sharp strings. Great grip, high potential for nasty spin, but unless you really commit and hit with full brush-up and high RHS, they can get catchy, errantly bitey and cause unpredictable launches (TP Firewire is a good example). And I've found that behavior to be the case with just about every 3, 4 and even certain 5-sided strings, with sharp enough edges.

 

[dr. godmode]

Sounds to me like the classic dilemma of overly shaped and/or sharp strings. Great grip, high potential for nasty spin, but unless you really commit and hit with full brush-up and high RHS, they can get catchy, errantly bitey and cause unpredictable launches (TP Firewire is a good example). And I've found that behavior to be the case with just about every 3, 4 and even certain 5-sided strings, with sharp enough edges.

That is not what happens with O-Toro. The edges aren't crazy. The string is no more launchy or unpredictable than Lynx Tour. The string is very soft and high power so you get a lot of forward velocity and easy depth, just need to hit enough spin to bring that ball down or string a bit tighter.

 

[Trip]

That is not what happens with O-Toro. The edges aren't crazy. The string is no more launchy or unpredictable than Lynx Tour. The string is very soft and high power so you get a lot of forward velocity and easy depth, just need to hit enough spin to bring that ball down or string a bit tighter.

That's very encouraging to hear. I'll have to give it a try one of these days.

 

[Farbio]

That is not what happens with O-Toro. The edges aren't crazy. The string is no more launchy or unpredictable than Lynx Tour. The string is very soft and high power so you get a lot of forward velocity and easy depth, just need to hit enough spin to bring that ball down or string a bit tighter.

I very much had the same experience with OT and PR in my Vcore 100. I strung them both at 52lbs and felt that I could go higher with PR. OT felt a bit stiff until I hit with it for a session and it felt perfect and maintained tension from there. PR felt great right off the stringer but once it was broken in I was craving a bit more control but the tension maintenance was still very good there after. What tension did you try?

 

[dr. godmode]

I very much had the same experience with OT and PR in my Vcore 100. I strung them both at 52lbs and felt that I could go higher with PR. OT felt a bit stiff until I hit with it for a session and it felt perfect and maintained tension from there. PR felt great right off the stringer but once it was broken in I was craving a bit more control but the tension maintenance was still very good there after. What tension did you try?

I think I started at 54lbs and then went to 52lbs. I agree day 1 vs day 2 is noticeably different but I didn't find this translated to more out balls, just a generally softer feel. And I definitely prefer it with Ghostwire crosses.

 

[Farbio]

I think I started at 54lbs and then went to 52lbs. I agree day 1 vs day 2 is noticeably different but I didn't find this translated to more out balls, just a generally softer feel. And I definitely prefer it with Ghostwire crosses.

Curious to hear about your experience with the GW crosses for both OT and PR.

 

[Alex7778]

Feels harsher to me from early play than hyper G. Confidential I found very stiff and so my personal non extensive rankings O toro would be in between with respect to comfort.
I have no complaints regarding spin, I think O toro definitely spins better than both Solinco. But it’s also a little lower powered and demanding.
I really like hyper G though

See maybe it’s just me but confidential and tour bite soft feel better and play better than hyper g. Haven’t used o toro so going off what people are saying in here. Have you used kpop or ptp before?

 

[KickVicious]

I think it might be absolute.

+1 more for Absolute.

 

[Nostradamus]

just got the OToro... wow, packaging nearly blinded me.....LOL but purple pink reflective packaging...... i will have to string it up

 

[maksp]

They should use cheapest packaging and lower the price of strings...like most products the packaging is the most expensive part

 

[Roforot]

I'm kind of biased against O-toro... they should have chosen a different color than the usual hyper-G green. Green makes sense for wasabi. BUt if you google images of o-toro, there's no green there. At any rate, I'm sticking w/ my round strings till the reel is done. (rzrcode/Enso)
I also dislike that they're using "toro" to name 3 strings... while apparently getting rid of absolute.

 

[Nostradamus]

I'm kind of biased against O-toro... they should have chosen a different color than the usual hyper-G green. Green makes sense for wasabi. BUt if you google images of o-toro, there's no green there. At any rate, I'm sticking w/ my round strings till the reel is done. (rzrcode/Enso)
I also dislike that they're using "toro" to name 3 strings... while apparently getting rid of absolute.

Toro is king in japan. it's used in everything

 

[MSUspartans777]

Just tried O-Toro in a blend with Silver 7 Tour.

Per @dr. godmode , Silver 7 Tour / Zero was magic. Wanted to see if O-Toro provided the same type of playability and durability as Zero in the cross. Notching was minimal after two hours of some big cuts. Snapback was fantastic and the setup was super comfortable in a Blade Pro 18x20. Going to try O-Toro in a full bed next.

 

[smithie]

Has anyone tried reserving the K-Pop hybrid to have caviar on the mains and wasabi on the crosses?

 

[topspn]

I just tried o-toro in a 2.5hr session with 2 sets of play. It was my first try with both o-toro and the racquet so difficulty to tell where influences came from exactly. I’d said o-toro felt softer than I expected. When I was stringing it, I got scared after pulling the first couple of mains and went back to redo at higher tension. Still soft, no catapult action, good pocket, consistent and good feedback. Control seemed good but again I wasn’t familiar with the racquet either but overall this was a good setup and felt confident being aggressive and on touch shots

 

[Roforot]

Toro is king in japan. it's used in everything

Try feeding them a green O-toro in a Japanese restaurant and see how that goes
Anyway, by the time I finish my reel, the hype will be gone and I'll see if it's real or if there's something better.

Did you use it yet?

 

[bluebonsai]

5 hours in to Toro Toro 123 red / Enso Pro 125 grey both @46lb in a Gravity Pro. Really enjoying this setup so far. Great spin, nice control/power ratio; agree w Dr. G control really ratchets up w higher swing speeds. Only knock is the feel is a little muted.

I have sets of Super Toro, O-Toro, Wasabi X, and Enso Pro (grey) coming in. Any recs for tension adjustments?

 

[JEDI MASTER]

after cutting out Champ Choice.. Just strung up O-Toro on the RF 01 Pro..

hopefullya the new RF will be playable...

 

[TwinCinema]

5 hours in to Toro Toro 123 red / Enso Pro 125 grey both @46lb in a Gravity Pro. Really enjoying this setup so far. Great spin, nice control/power ratio; agree w Dr. G control really ratchets up w higher swing speeds. Only knock is the feel is a little muted.

I have sets of Super Toro, O-Toro, Wasabi X, and Enso Pro (grey) coming in. Any recs for tension adjustments?

I agree with 46 for Toro toro, and super toro should play the same. But Wasabi X is pretty lively and I had to up my tension to 50 on that (even as a cross with Wasabi) to keep it tamed. But the Was/WasX hybrid plays magically at 50.

 

[Nostradamus]

Try feeding them a green O-toro in a Japanese restaurant and see how that goes
Anyway, by the time I finish my reel, the hype will be gone and I'll see if it's real or if there's something better.

Did you use it yet?

not yet

 

[topspn]

I agree with 46 for Toro toro, and super toro should play the same. But Wasabi X is pretty lively and I had to up my tension to 50 on that (even as a cross with Wasabi) to keep it tamed. But the Was/WasX hybrid plays magically at 50.

Yep, wasabi pro so good in my PA98s

 

[KC!]

Ok, I was a little quick to judge O Toro. It has settled in my VCORE 98 Tour & maybe the tension has dropped a little. It feels absolutely amazing now, maybe the best playing string I’ve ever played. I still prefer the crisp feel of Super Toro, but the playability of OToro is amazing!

 

[elginspur]

Ok, I was a little quick to judge O Toro. It has settled in my VCORE 98 Tour & maybe the tension has dropped a little. It feels absolutely amazing now, maybe the best playing string I’ve ever played. I still prefer the crisp feel of Super Toro, but the playability of OToro is amazing!

On this note, what tension would you recommend for 0-T0r0?

 

[Nostradamus]

Ok, I was a little quick to judge O Toro. It has settled in my VCORE 98 Tour & maybe the tension has dropped a little. It feels absolutely amazing now, maybe the best playing string I’ve ever played. I still prefer the crisp feel of Super Toro, but the playability of OToro is amazing!

how is the spin and power of this string compared to spin monsters like Confidential or alupower rough ? and how do you think it will perform as hybrid with natural gut ?