delosalpes
Rookie
Has anyone tried Caviar crossed with wasabi x or Enso?
Toroline
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Power Player
Bionic Poster
Does Toroline make a crisp string? I guess kpop is supposed to be a little crisper than k pro but that’s not saying much. I like that crisper tour bite/lux feel in a softer frames. Easier to feel the ball for me.
Tennis And Anime Lover
Rookie
if you want hybrids to play crisp from Toroline best option seems to be Toro Toro or Super Toro with Enso Pro
dr. godmode
Hall of Fame
The closest for me has been Enso Pro or Toro Toro (haven’t tried super Toro) but you are better off waiting for the new ReString to hybrid with stuff I promise.
Fighting phoenix
Professional
Thinking about putting a full bed of Enso Pro in my new Pure Strike 100 16x20...good idea, or should I hybrid it with something? Like the pink color match with the racquet. Crisper feeling string as a full bed?
dr. godmode
Hall of Fame
I've only used it in a full bed myself ('24 CX200) and it was great. The pink should look great, it's almost more infrared so will work great with the neon orange Strike I think. Looked sick in my CX too.
delosalpes
Rookie
I’ve tried full bed Enso in my percept 97. I didn’t care for it. Slick round strings just don’t work for me. I prefer something with bite in the mains. I think Enso works well as a cross. I much preferred wasabi crossed with Enso. Also preferred it to full bed of wasabi.
Tennis And Anime Lover
Rookie
That's about my take too think i posted this already. Toroline strings are great, but i think they work best in hybrids than in full bed. Enso as fb was a bit to powerfull for me. Playing the Wasabi pro en K pro now.
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Fighting phoenix
Professional
Yeah, the Enso looks great! Just strung it up, the other one is toro mains, enso yellow crosses. We’ll see how they play
delosalpes
Rookie
enso comes in yellow?
Tennis And Anime Lover
Rookie
It does. Experimental blend
Fighting phoenix
Professional
It was a hybrid (toro and Enso yellow) they sent me as part of their omakase thing.
Just tried Ether in my Gravity MP and I must say I'm quite impressed!
It's form but comfortable and really complement the frame that is very soft. Spin is impressive.
Also so far initial tension maintenance is good. Strung at 23/22. Right after stringing, read at 21kg. After one intensive lesson session, tension was still 19.5KG and looks like its has now stabilized
Will compare it side by side with Snapper. Guess it grabs a bit less the ball and has a bit more pop... will see
It's form but comfortable and really complement the frame that is very soft. Spin is impressive.
Also so far initial tension maintenance is good. Strung at 23/22. Right after stringing, read at 21kg. After one intensive lesson session, tension was still 19.5KG and looks like its has now stabilized
Will compare it side by side with Snapper. Guess it grabs a bit less the ball and has a bit more pop... will see
jguttentag
New User
Played a practice match and then a hitting session with Snapper after the first hit this week. Snapper is the only string that I have used that feels so much better without a dampner than with one. Serves felt good with the strings in the practice match and I was getting really good feedback on the string bed on my groundstrokes. After the practice match and around 3-4 hrs with the string it kind of just became a dud. They did not become super launchy or too hard to control they just lost any wow factor really quickly and just felt like the run of the mill plastic poly. I probably won't revisit. Trying K Pop/Pro next.
Snapper sounds like Grapplesnake Tour M8 to me... anyone who tried both can comment?
HypnoticLasagna
Rookie
Very similar. I found M8 to be more comfortable and "buttery" feeling,for lack of words. For the price of Snapper, might be worth a look, but If I wanted an 8 sided I am going with M8. Jguttentag said he only got a ~6 hrs with it before moving on. I'm at around 4 and it feels ok. M8 lasted me 10+ hours, tension maintenence was good an predictable.
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jguttentag
New User
M8 also gave me arm pain at the same tension.
Aestheticsaboveallelse
Legend
What you need is some 4G.
dr. godmode
Hall of Fame
M8 has a lot more control and feels more connected. Also plays better for longer. I'm struggling with depth control on Snapper at 49/46lbs. I think higher tensions work better for Snapper, whereas M8 is elite at lower tensions.
Yeah great advice
I can see that - I love the directional control of Percept + M8 combo
FrankyRelax
Professional
So Enso pro 1.24 at 50lbs as a main with snapper is crazy powerful. Nice and plush but i couldn't even tame it in a prestige. I've been reaching for the caviar/snapper set up more often then not.
Aestheticsaboveallelse
Legend
It's actually very comfortable never had pain or harshness... just don't play rpm blast rom team or rpm rough those are harssshhhh
ryushen21
Legend
An update to my K-Pro test...
Hours 4-8 were the times of absolute perfection for this setup. Everything was working and clicking really well. I had a ton of confidence going for any shot. I will still argue that this is one of my favorite setups for slices and drop shots that I've played with recently and that aspect continued to perform exceptionally. When you really lay into a shot with this setup, it almost sounds like a gunshot coming off the strings.
Hours 8-10 are where I started to notice a little bit of a dip in performance. Not quite as much spin and they started to get a little launchy. Still very much playable, but I had to adjust more and focus on my swings to make sure I was landing my shots where I wanted them.
I passed hour 10 this morning in the middle of a match and it definitely felt like this might be the proverbial cliff that we come to with so many poly strings. While it isn't as dramatic as others, shots that were previously dropping in confidently were now sailing just long. Enough to prompt a shift in strategy and play style.
Overall, that's still a really solid performance from a full-performance poly setup. One of the things that surprised me the most was the consistency up to about hour 10 from the Wasabi mains. They didn't seem to round off as much as other square polys I've tried in the past. And the Caviar in the crosses works really well although I do attribute the launchiness that I experienced to them. I'd have to give this a solid 8/10 rating. I do wonder if tension might need to be adjusted a little bit and whether or not it would affect the longevity. If so, this could easily be an 8.5+/10 setup.
Next up is a full bed of Toro Toro.
Hours 4-8 were the times of absolute perfection for this setup. Everything was working and clicking really well. I had a ton of confidence going for any shot. I will still argue that this is one of my favorite setups for slices and drop shots that I've played with recently and that aspect continued to perform exceptionally. When you really lay into a shot with this setup, it almost sounds like a gunshot coming off the strings.
Hours 8-10 are where I started to notice a little bit of a dip in performance. Not quite as much spin and they started to get a little launchy. Still very much playable, but I had to adjust more and focus on my swings to make sure I was landing my shots where I wanted them.
I passed hour 10 this morning in the middle of a match and it definitely felt like this might be the proverbial cliff that we come to with so many poly strings. While it isn't as dramatic as others, shots that were previously dropping in confidently were now sailing just long. Enough to prompt a shift in strategy and play style.
Overall, that's still a really solid performance from a full-performance poly setup. One of the things that surprised me the most was the consistency up to about hour 10 from the Wasabi mains. They didn't seem to round off as much as other square polys I've tried in the past. And the Caviar in the crosses works really well although I do attribute the launchiness that I experienced to them. I'd have to give this a solid 8/10 rating. I do wonder if tension might need to be adjusted a little bit and whether or not it would affect the longevity. If so, this could easily be an 8.5+/10 setup.
Next up is a full bed of Toro Toro.
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ChrisJR3264
Hall of Fame
How is caviar in a full bed? Tension maintenance? Comfort?
Fighting phoenix
Professional
Caviar in a full bed is great - comfortable, plush, good spin, tension maintenance is just okay though.
ChrisJR3264
Hall of Fame
Tension maintenance on most polys isn’t great.
It’s how they play when they drop tension. So far only razor code, ice code, hawk power and tourna silver 7 tour seem to still perform well after tension drops
Fighting phoenix
Professional
Yeah caviar gets a little wild after the tension drop. I would add Lynx tour to your list, and K-pop / wasabi perform well once tension drops also
ChrisJR3264
Hall of Fame
Want nothing to do with wasabi. Lol
Marwan Fatta
New User
I played 10 hours using full bed of caviar 1.24 with my radical mp 360+ (48 pound), and I think I will stick with it after trying more than 20 strings last year.
Spin is great, control and consistency is very good (especially on the baseline), power is ok (maybe its low due to a low powered radical), comfort is above average for a poly. Tension is still very good. Snap back is excellent.
Did anyone tried other gauges? 1.2 or 1.16?
what about durability and power for 1.2 & 1.16?
Consistency & comfort?
Could anyone compare caviar gauges?
ChrisJR3264
Hall of Fame
After my experience with wasabi and arm issues - hesitant to try others. But caviar is the only one in their line that I feel wouldn’t be harsh.
Keep in mind: my arm isn’t sensitive. Razor code, S7 tour in both 1.25 and 1.30 didn’t bother me along with other stiff polys.
Fighting phoenix
Professional
Yeah they’re just different colors
Aestheticsaboveallelse
Legend
No Super Toro is actually Toro Toro after dosing steroids.
HypnoticLasagna
Rookie
I think they renamed it because it doesn't feel the same as Blue Super Toro. I'm wondering if they used the same bright pink blend for many strings but used the different extrusion die: the pink wasabi in kpop, toro toro, enso pro pink.
No textured strings but plenty of shaped options.
Ares2323
Rookie
Plastic ****... I played with a wasabi string and after a few games I had a sore wrist and a broken hamate bone... I don't recommend it.
I have tested several of their strings and each one seems to be very similar to each other with zero feel.
Using influencers to hype them up and nothing more. I do not recommend
I have tested several of their strings and each one seems to be very similar to each other with zero feel.
Using influencers to hype them up and nothing more. I do not recommend
ChrisJR3264
Hall of Fame
This whole
Was curious about caviar. But it’s a joke.
I agree. Wasabi was a piece of you know what.
Was curious about caviar. But it’s a joke.
HypnoticLasagna
Rookie
Ill just leave this review from someone here about wasabi:
but if you like Hyper G soft. Wasabi is not the string for you. Sorry about your wrist, hope you can heal up quick .
ryushen21
Legend
Strings don't break bones.
I have been playing with a full bed of troline wasabi and here are my thoughts! The tension loss was pretty average in terms of a poly string, but hitting with spin felt really nice. The snapback of the strings made it feel like the ball would dip back down into the court. In terms of comfort, it has been pretty easy on the arm regardless of the racquet's string pattern. Overall, this string has been great for its value and I am planning on experimenting with hybriding with other strings.
Tennis And Anime Lover
Rookie
Blaming a string for a fractured bone. Lol are you serious.
If you love hyper g soft that much. why did you even try wasabi? Not your kinda string to begin with. Blaming the string for your wrist problem is utter nonsense
Tennis And Anime Lover
Rookie
Exactly. I do follow your train of thought about the K Pro play session too. Very decent hybrid combo
Tried Ether in my Gravity MP for the second session and I really think I found the right setup for this frame.
Initially I tought Ether was a 120 gauge wasabi, but it's definitely firmer despite the thinner gauge. It reminds me a lot of regular Hyper G 120, but with some added pop and more comfortable. Maybe a good inbeween Hyper G and Hyper G Soft.
I served BOMBS with this setup despite the low power nature of the frame.
As a reminder, my GMP are overspeced, approx, 298 gr unstrung with unstrung SW of 295
I strung Ether at 23kg using Wise lock mode.
Initially I tought Ether was a 120 gauge wasabi, but it's definitely firmer despite the thinner gauge. It reminds me a lot of regular Hyper G 120, but with some added pop and more comfortable. Maybe a good inbeween Hyper G and Hyper G Soft.
I served BOMBS with this setup despite the low power nature of the frame.
As a reminder, my GMP are overspeced, approx, 298 gr unstrung with unstrung SW of 295
I strung Ether at 23kg using Wise lock mode.
I strung M8 at 42, still enough control and comfortable.
I think the arm issue is individual. Interesting thing you mentioned S7Tour, that string gave me immediate pain in my elbow when I first time hit it. But I don't have arm issues with any toroline strings so far, but I string at mid 40s. I also don't have issues with Alu power and Hawk at 48, some people think they are fairly stiff as well.
