mike danny
Bionic Poster
If they could hurt Federer, they can hurt these guys too.Flat shots don't hurt new gen like loopy lefty forehands
If they could hurt Federer, they can hurt these guys too.Flat shots don't hurt new gen like loopy lefty forehands
Yes and now imagine if there was an actual younger ATG in the mix. How much would Djokodal's numbers drop?I don’t recall all the results but I think even if Agassi had not faced Sampras he would still have won less than Nadalovic and Nadal and Novak also had to face each other. Nadal would have an extra 4 slams without Fedovic and Novak possibly another 2-3 RGs without Nadal
Fast hardcourtover all surfaces:
Djokovic
Nadal
Agassi
Agassi maybe > Nadal on hard and that’s literally it. He’s at best debatable with Djokovic on hard, miles behind him on the other 2 surfaces, miles and miles and miles behind Nadal on clay, and behind Nadal on grass imo from the admittedly tiny sample size we’ve seen of oldDal from 18-19
Fast hardcourt
Agassi
Djokovic
Nadal
slow hardcourt
Agassi
Djokovic
Nadal
grass
Djokovic
Agassi
Nadal
clay
Nadal
Djokovic
Agassi
So even if I changed those around like you suggest Agassi and Nadal are still equal and Djokovic is the bestagree to disagree on these i guess
It was not guaranteed, but the guy won a slam, 4 masters, 11 titles and finished no.2. He was already a greater player than anyone today, including guys in their mid 20's.
Obviously he wasn't an ATG then. It takes time to rack up numbers. But the level was there, which is all that matters. Just like Djokovic in 2011. Are gonna say Djokovic was not playing like an ATG in 2011 when he was winning 40+ straight matches?
Alcaraz is the only question mark right now and even if he becomes an ATG eventually, it doesn't mean he's playing like one now. The others are very clearly not ATGs. Zverev, Med and Tsitsipas are more or less all in their mid 20's and they've proven not to be on that level at all. With them we know since they've had time to show it.
Agassi didn't win a single USO post 30 despite it being his favourite surface and having massive crowd support .. How is this a fair argument at all?I think AO and Wimb going to Djokovic, FO going to Nadal and USO going to Agassi is fair enough. Although Agassi deserves an argument at the AO as well as his 2003-2004 levels were very good.
‘01/02 Sampras and ‘04/05 Federer are like two or three levels above any opponent at the US Open since 2015.Agassi didn't win a single USO post 30 despite it being his favourite surface and having massive crowd support .. How is this a fair argument at all?
Are they really "all-surface" players or have the surfaces gotten homogenized to the point that the differences aren't that significant?What old Djokodal have in their favor is that they're all-surface players, unlike Agassi who only thrived on HC at one point.
As for old Djokodal vs old Agassi on HC, I think overall they're about the same in terms of difficulty, with Djokodal being tougher on clay and grass.
So you're telling me Agassi is just extra bald and condensed version of MedvedevAgassi only thrived on HC at one point.
Don’t forget compactSo you're telling me Agassi is just extra bald and condensed version of Medvedev
It's a bit insulting to compare Medvedev to Agassi, who reached the quarterfinals or better at Wimbledon 7 times, the semis 5, and the finals twice (winning once, obviously) on grass when it played like grass.So you're telling me Agassi is just extra bald and condensed version of Medvedev
condensed, compact, compressed, same thing no?Don’t forget compact
The field evolved, bru. In this era, Sampras would be a journeyman playing for pennies in Stuttgart.It's a bit insulting to compare Medvedev to Agassi, who reached the quarterfinals or better at Wimbledon 7 times, the semis 5, and the finals twice (winning once, obviously) on grass when it played like grass.
Hilarious.The field evolved, bru. In this era, Sampras would be a journeyman playing for pennies in Stuttgart.
I'll take Djokodal because they can win on any surface. AA didn't do much on clay/grass after 1999
As for old Djokodal vs old Agassi on HC, I think overall they're about the same in terms of difficulty
Be that as it may, Djokodal have performed better on all of these surfaces than Agassi.Are they really "all-surface" players or have the surfaces gotten homogenized to the point that the differences aren't that significant?
Probably a little of column A, a little of column B.
Fair pointBe that as it may, Djokodal have performed better on all of these surfaces than Agassi.
Old Djokovic easily.
Djokovic is going to rewrite what tennis longevity means. At his age Nadal's wheels fell off. Djokovic will win slam after turning 38.
You will be soon.I'm less convinced of that now than I was before the AO, but Sinner may still be banned and that would open the door for a lot of things.
You will be soon.
Even with your unconvincing self , remember where Nadal was last year at same age?
A nobody going out in r1 of rg.
Yes, if Sinner is banned, the only gatekeeper for Djokoray = Alcaraz, and we all know he is capable of throwing in a stinker. That'd let Djokovic win any of the last three majors, in all of which I predict he will go deep.I'm less convinced of that now than I was before the AO, but Sinner may still be banned and that would open the door for a lot of things.