Tourna 150-CS or Alpha Pioneer DC Plus

GummiiBear

Semi-Pro
So to be candid, one could argue I spent an impractical amount of money on tennis last year. I've been considering investing in a stringing machine, though intuition tells me if I were to get one without fixed clamps, it'd frustrate me. Any thoughts on how these two DWs compare? This would be my first machine.

Edit: I just deleted superfluous blithering. :p
 
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GummiiBear

Semi-Pro
I ended up getting the Tourna - after learning about the ratcheting thing with the Alpha, given where I live the noise was of concern to me. Also, I got a discount on the Tourna thanks to @Irvin. 8-B
 

Steve Huff

G.O.A.T.
Thanks a lot. How about the Penta Premium 3600? I think its a Linear Gripper too.
Penta has some nice clamps if you get their best ones with the machine. Their side mounts are a little bulky, and the knobs look like a spot that string will get caught up on while stringing, but it beats using an Allen wrench of something like that. Not really sure why they need those mounts to be adjustable anyway since the entire arm can adjust with the knobs at 6 and 12. It looks a little flimsy compared to the Alpha also, but then again, it costs significantly less. If you string a lot (for others, etc), you'll probably end up with a higher end machine anyway. If you don't, the Penta may be fine for just you.
 

bd33

New User
Reviving an old thread here because I'm also looking at machines in this price range just for stringing for myself. I know everyone says to find a used machine, but I haven't seen any listings in my area (front range Colorado). These two machines seem like good options in the sub-$1k range--fixed clamps, 6 pt mount, well built. Are there reasons to prefer one over the other, or are there better choices less than $1k? Thanks.
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
Not long ago I seen a Prince 1500 with 200-300 rackets on it for $700 OBO on the Facebook group Unstrung Heroes. There was a picture and from what I remember it appeared to be in excellent shape. It was outside the Houston area and local pickup only. So there are machines out there you just have to look long enough.
 

USMC-615

Hall of Fame
Reviving an old thread here because I'm also looking at machines in this price range just for stringing for myself. I know everyone says to find a used machine, but I haven't seen any listings in my area (front range Colorado). These two machines seem like good options in the sub-$1k range--fixed clamps, 6 pt mount, well built. Are there reasons to prefer one over the other, or are there better choices less than $1k? Thanks.
If $1K is possibly your high range, add another $100 or $200 to it and get a Gamma Progression ST II ($100 add) or a Gamma X-ST ($200 add). Both are identical crank/lockout machines, only difference are the bases and the colors (Progression ST II is plastic red shell over cast metal base, X-ST is blue aluminum base). Both are 6-pt, fixed clamp. I wouldn’t even consider a drop weight, again if you possibly have $1K to spend…I’d wait and save up if needed to get a good crank/lockout.
 

bd33

New User
Thanks for the responses. I'm not near Houston, so that's not an option for me. I've seen no used machines near me over the past 3+ months that I've been looking. But I'm also not on Facebook, so there's that.

If I were to spend as much as $1200, the Tourna 350-cs looks good, too, right? But that seems like a lot when I'm just stringing a few racquets a month for myself. I *could* spend that much, but I'm not sure if it's *worth* spending that much if the main advantage is to save a little time on each string job. That's why I was looking at drop weight machines that are closer to $600, but I'm open to other thinking on that and will look at those Gammas.
 

USMC-615

Hall of Fame
Thanks for the responses. I'm not near Houston, so that's not an option for me. I've seen no used machines near me over the past 3+ months that I've been looking. But I'm also not on Facebook, so there's that.

If I were to spend as much as $1200, the Tourna 350-cs looks good, too, right? But that seems like a lot when I'm just stringing a few racquets a month for myself. I *could* spend that much, but I'm not sure if it's *worth* spending that much if the main advantage is to save a little time on each string job. That's why I was looking at drop weight machines that are closer to $600, but I'm open to other thinking on that and will look at those Gammas.
350-CS is a good crank/lockout as well...I've got one with a Wise 2086 as well as a Progression ST II with a Wise 2086 setup.
 

USMC-615

Hall of Fame
anyone know if you can mount a wise on the cs-150?
I knew I had read mention of this somewhere (150-CS with a Wise 2086 mounted on it) and found it. This was a review of the 2086 from a retailer site that sells the 2086 dated from Jan ‘22, as I quote it:

“One should definitely do some research on the product before ordering it. I installed it on a Tourna 150-CS. The installation was very easy with the separately ordered drop weight adapter. However, this Wise2086 head on a drop weight adapter is a little too high for the 150-CS, preventing the racquet from turning 360 degrees. If I had known this, I might consider some a little more expensive drop weight machines.”

The review quoted above did have some more wording to it but it never mentioned anything about what specific drop weight adapter, as there are a couple of different adapter heights, etc out there. I’d email or call Wise and get their recommendation as to which one.
 

graycrait

Legend
However, this Wise2086 head on a drop weight adapter is a little too high for the 150-CS, preventing the racquet from turning 360 degrees.
Seeing as I have only strung on a NEOS 1000, which does not have 360, what does 360 do that is essential to stringing? Another question: Isn't the angle of the string from grommet to tension head steeper on a 360 machine?
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
Seeing as I have only strung on a NEOS 1000, which does not have 360, what does 360 do that is essential to stringing?
Nothing
Isn't the angle of the string from grommet to tension head steeper on a 360 machine?
If your stringer does not have 360 rotation the handle / throat of the racket bumps into the the tensioner. There is a downward angle with 360 rotation and without it there is a sideward angle. Either way there is an angle. Once your machine gets past the point where the handle / throat does not bump the tensioner the angle may be eliminated. On my 6004 w/Wise and Gamma it was eliminated on some strings but your machine could be different. There’s usually angles though depending on the racket‘s drill pattern, which main / cross is being tensioned, and where the turntable pivots.
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
@graycrait I do believe though that a racket strung on a NEOS 1000 and a Gamma 5003, even though both machines were perfectly calibrated, will / will not feel the same even if the same string and racket is used. Methods, rackets, strings, machines, and the operator all make a difference. One player may like it strung on a NEOS others on the Gamma, some won’t notice a difference, but that does not mean one is any better than the other for everyone.
 
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USMC-615

Hall of Fame
Seeing as I have only strung on a NEOS 1000, which does not have 360, what does 360 do that is essential to stringing? Another question: Isn't the angle of the string from grommet to tension head steeper on a 360 machine?
Get a little obvious convenience is about all you gain with 360. I’ve got a 2086 mounted on my NEOS 1000 as well and just like the original crank/lockout, no 360. Ain’t no biggie and doesn’t affect anything in the long run, 360 or not.
 
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graycrait

Legend
I was reading a 12 yr old thread and it mentioned some/many or all of the really high end machines have tension heads that lift to eliminate some of the angle. Is that true? If so I need to get out more.
 

USMC-615

Hall of Fame
I was reading a 12 yr old thread and it mentioned some/many or all of the really high end machines have tension heads that lift to eliminate some of the angle. Is that true? If so I need to get out more.
…the tension gripper/arm assy with or without diabolo raises?
 

Wes

Hall of Fame
I was reading a 12 yr old thread and it mentioned some/many or all of the really high end machines have tension heads that lift to eliminate some of the angle. Is that true? If so I need to get out more.

"Many or all"?
No, that is emphatically not true.
Very few machines have a tension head that raises up.

What is true is that the vast majority of higher end machines do have 360° rotation. :sneaky:
And there's a reason for that.

…the tension gripper/arm assy with or without diabolo raises?

Yes, it does.
You'll find that on the Head machines (as well the Dunlop/Solinco, which are essentially clones of the Head machine).
However, I feel there's actually a downfall of this "feature", and personally I would never want a machine that actually did this (not to mention it being yet one more thing that could malfunction/break).
 

struggle

Legend
focus on the base clamps.

I'd be purchasing based on that, primarily.

For a DW, I'd also go linear gripper with a ratchet.

Just my $.02
 

Wes

Hall of Fame
For a DW, I'd also go linear gripper with a ratchet.


For a DW, I prefer a linear gripper with a silent clutch (rather than a ratchet).
That's what the old Alpha Pioneer III/Gamma 600FC had on them.

If any modern DW machines still utilize a clutch, I couldn't tell you which ones they would be.
Gamma's X-2, X-6, X-6FC, Prog. 200, Prog. 602 and Prog. 602FC all have a ratchet (& rotational grippers).
The Alpha Pioneer DC+ still has the linear gripper that it always had, but now (for many years) it has a ratchet & pawl. :confused:
 

tonykcgee

New User
the alpha and tourna stringers look very nice but are they worth it over the klippermate or can i basically do the same with the klippermate
thanks in advance
 

Wes

Hall of Fame
the alpha and tourna stringers look very nice but are they worth it over the klippermate or can i basically do the same with the klippermate
thanks in advance

@tonykcgee,

The difference(s) between a Klippermate versus a Tourna CS-150 or an Alpha Pioneer DC+? Night and Day.

The former uses floating/flying clamps, while both of the latter have fixed swivel clamps. Again... Night and Day (or... apples and oranges).

When dealing with floating/flying clamps, some (often undesirable) concessions have to be made.

As compared to floating/flying clamps, fixed swivel clamps:
  • are easier to use/learn with (especially for a beginner)
  • are far more versatile (string spacing, and string angles, are no longer a nuisance or hinderance)
  • do not deflect strings the way floating/flying clamps do (i.e. strings can remain straight)
  • typically allow you to clamp closer to the grommets/frame
  • typically have less tendency to dent/crush strings
  • have less drawback

You asked if you can "basically do the same" with a Klippermate. That depends on how one defines "the same".

Can you actually get a racquet strung with it? Yes, it is "the same".

Is it anywhere as enjoyable/easy in actual practice. No, it is not "the same".

Furthermore, both the Tourna CS-150 and Alpha Pioneer DC+ have a rotating/ratcheting tensioner, which (IMO) is easier to use than the "jaw" type mechanism of the Klippermate.



Perhaps an analogy will help...
Let's say that you want to be able to cut your own grass... so you're considering purchasing some type of lawn mower.

You could get something like a push mower. Like this..


images


Although not quite as fancy as a riding lawn mower, it does a good job and is still pretty darn easy to use.


Or, you could get an old-fashion reel lawn mower. Like this...

images



Now... do both of them get the job of cutting the grass accomplished? Yes.
Are they equally as easy (or as enjoyable) to use? No.

Cheers, Wes
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
the alpha and tourna stringers look very nice but are they worth it over the klippermate or can i basically do the same with the klippermate
thanks in advance
Clamps are one of the most important parts of any stringing machine. If all you’re looking for is a basic job find a used DW at a great price and buy a set of 2.0 series Pro-Stringer Claws.
 

bd33

New User
FWIW (as a past participant in this thread), I ended up getting an Alpha Revo 4000. It's a crank/lockout machine, which I thought would be easier for me than dealing with the drop weight. I'm happy with it. It is well built and easy to use. I bought direct from Alpha, and they were easy to deal with. And it has allowed me to experiment with strings and tensions much more than if I were paying $20 per string job AND dealing with the logistics of getting rackets to/from a shop. I could have spent more, but I don't feel like I missed out on anything by buying this one. I figure that's a good indicator that I made a good choice for me. That said, there are great options at higher and lower price points, depending on what's important to you (budget constraints, needing a stand or rollers, needing features like electric pull or faster acting clamps to get more efficiency for higher volume of stringing jobs, etc.).
 
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tonykcgee

New User
Thank you Wes for such a detailed response. You sold me, so should I choose the CS150 or the Alpha they both are the best price compared to other fixed clamp machines
 

Wes

Hall of Fame
Thank you Wes for such a detailed response. You sold me, so should I choose the CS150 or the Alpha they both are the best price compared to other fixed clamp machines

You're quite welcome Tony.
Between those two machines, I would definitely choose the Alpha Pioneer DC Plus.

I sent you a private message (called "Conversations" here on Talk Tennis). If you haven't already, take a peek at your inbox.

Cheers, Wes
 

kabrac

Professional
Depends how much money you have and are willing to spend. And if you're going to do alot of volume.

I've owned and strung on multiple types of machines. Alpha linear drop weight 6pt, an old alpha electronic 6pt, alpha lockout with a stand(can't remember the model), gamma 6pt lockout with stand, Neos 1000, Gamma Progression II drop weight rotaional....all good machines, but my favorite is the Gamma Progression II. I love simplicity and portability. Next would be the Neos, followed by the Gamma and Alpha stand up cranks. I've got some stringway double and triple clamps but hardly use them because the Gamma ones work so well for me.
 

Wes

Hall of Fame
Depends how much money you have and are willing to spend. And if you're going to do alot of volume.

I've owned and strung on multiple types of machines. Alpha linear drop weight 6pt, an old alpha electronic 6pt, alpha lockout with a stand(can't remember the model), gamma 6pt lockout with stand, Neos 1000, Gamma Progression II drop weight rotaional....all good machines, but my favorite is the Gamma Progression II. I love simplicity and portability. Next would be the Neos, followed by the Gamma and Alpha stand up cranks. I've got some stringway double and triple clamps but hardly use them because the Gamma ones work so well for me.

@kabrac,

:unsure:
Little, if any, of the above is relevant in comparing the machines that @tonykcgee was/is contemplating (KM, CS-150, and Pioneer DC+).
 

kabrac

Professional
@kabrac,

:unsure:
Little, if any, of the above is relevant in comparing the machines that @tonykcgee was/is contemplating (KM, CS-150, and Pioneer DC+).
I'm giving him a reference. Any insight from others before a purchase is wise. And I'm pretty sure others have mentioned other stringers as well.....@wes:cautious:
 

kabrac

Professional
@tonykcgee,

The difference(s) between a Klippermate versus a Tourna CS-150 or an Alpha Pioneer DC+? Night and Day.

The former uses floating/flying clamps, while both of the latter have fixed swivel clamps. Again... Night and Day (or... apples and oranges).

When dealing with floating/flying clamps, some (often undesirable) concessions have to be made.

As compared to floating/flying clamps, fixed swivel clamps:
  • are easier to use/learn with (especially for a beginner)
  • are far more versatile (string spacing, and string angles, are no longer a nuisance or hinderance)
  • do not deflect strings the way floating/flying clamps do (i.e. strings can remain straight)
  • typically allow you to clamp closer to the grommets/frame
  • typically have less tendency to dent/crush strings
  • have less drawback

You asked if you can "basically do the same" with a Klippermate. That depends on how one defines "the same".

Can you actually get a racquet strung with it? Yes, it is "the same".

Is it anywhere as enjoyable/easy in actual practice. No, it is not "the same".

Furthermore, both the Tourna CS-150 and Alpha Pioneer DC+ have a rotating/ratcheting tensioner, which (IMO) is easier to use than the "jaw" type mechanism of the Klippermate.



Perhaps an analogy will help...
Let's say that you want to be able to cut your own grass... so you're considering purchasing some type of lawn mower.

You could get something like a push mower. Like this..


images


Although not quite as fancy as a riding lawn mower, it does a good job and is still pretty darn easy to use.


Or, you could get an old-fashion reel lawn mower. Like this...

images



Now... do both of them get the job of cutting the grass accomplished? Yes.
Are they equally as easy (or as enjoyable) to use? No.

Cheers, Wes
Excuse me....what is the relevance of this? Lawn guys have their own forums........@wes8-B
 

doge

New User
Sorry to revive this thread, but I’m also considering getting an Alpha stringer. I’m still undecided about a drop weight or crank (Pioneer DC Plus or Revo 4000), but wanted to buy one directly from Alpha. What is their website? It’s not actually clear when searching for it on Google.
 

struggle

Legend
new
Sorry to revive this thread, but I’m also considering getting an Alpha stringer. I’m still undecided about a drop weight or crank (Pioneer DC Plus or Revo 4000), but wanted to buy one directly from Alpha. What is their website? It’s not actually clear when searching for it on Google.
I think either the Alpha or New Tech Tennis sites lead to the same place (the phone numbers have the same area code in Texas).

Same address too...
 

yonexRx32

Professional
Sorry to revive this thread, but I’m also considering getting an Alpha stringer. I’m still undecided about a drop weight or crank (Pioneer DC Plus or Revo 4000), but wanted to buy one directly from Alpha. What is their website? It’s not actually clear when searching for it on Google.
Drop weight is slow but highly accurate (constant pull), crank/lockout is faster, more expensive and less accurate (strings still stretch after lockout). Dw never needs calibration. Did I mention it's slow?
 
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