Discussion in 'Strings' started by SteveI, Dec 25, 2011.
If I like hyperion and tornado, will I like this string?
if you do try this string with the v95d, please let me know what you think as I won't be able to try this combo for awhile.
No prob. Should be able to do it in a weeks time, if not sooner. Might go hyperion for my first string job. 95d is a sssick frame!
A good question as I'm a Tornado user.
Anybody hit with BHB7 and Black Widow that can chime in softness and playability?
Are the BHB7 edges as pronounce like Black Widow?
Maybe someone can help us? Big hitter black vs tornado anyone?
Just got my set in and will have it strung this weekend. Just tried a bhbr17 and was very disappointed. Felt very stiff. I hope bhb7 is softer
Thanks Steve for sending me the strings. I finally had a chance to string up BHB7 and it definitely feels similar to Dunlop Black Widow with all the edges. My hands definitely didn't like stringing this up compared to regular polys but once I get time on the court this weekend, will let you know how it plays with VS gut in the mains.
I still have a set of BHBR that I haven't even had a chance to string up either but there's just too many strings and not enough time or racquets to try all these different combos .
It will be great to get your insights. Not sure anyone tested the string as a cross to date. The results are very positive, I enjoyed it and will move to this string in the spring.
UK guys can now buy from http://www.stringersworld.com/product/4518/tourna_big_hitter_black_7__black__12m_pkt/cde278b7090e008b6efbeae7681844c4
Really appreciate your posts. You are giving me a lot more insight into what string preference I have in my game.
For the past couple of years I've been using a Prince Speedport Black with Gosen Polylon SP 17 (also called Polyquest) strung at 62 pounds. I don't know why, but with this poly I prefer it strung higher. I think it is due to the fact that it is more springy and I lose control with the lower tension. I've tried a ton of other strings, including Luxilon and all the other top brands..and still haven't found one to take its place. This string does mostly everything well, except it doesn't exactly give me confidence at the net. Most people have a huge problem dealing with the spin and bite the ball gets on groundies/serves. That's the biggest reason it is so effective for me.
I've tried Weiss Silverstring after all the great reviews and was underwhelmed. I think my game is better suited for the high-power and crisp feeling strings. That being said, do you think Tour Bite or BHB7 or BHBR would be worth a shot for me to try? I'm not sure if you've ever used the Gosen, but it has definitely worked for me in this setup.
I would suggest that you try them all!
They're all good strings, just in different ways and for different setups. Definitely go with the 16 gauge with that racquet though for both Tourna strings, and maybe a 1.25 or 1.30 with the Tour Bite.
If you want improved net play, you might also want to try that WhisperTouch Gut / Co-Focus setup that PVAudio identified in his thread. Just remember to pre-stretch the gut and string it at a higher tension. It plays well (though its just as useless as any other setup once the poly has gone dead or lost too much tension).
Torres what is your take on tornado vs the tourna black?
No idea. The last time I played with Tornado was when I had long hair, wore flares and was swinging a Pure Drive Mk1... :shock:
From what I can remember of Tornado though, BHB7 will be springier, definitely spinnier, more lively (though not to the extent of BHBR) and more powerful. I also used the 1.17/1.18 Tornado/Hyperion so I can't even do a 'same gauge' comparison, let alone a same racquet comparison.
Stick with Tornado, didn't think BHBlack7 had much power. I let my hitting partner try it also, wasn't impressed. Still in Black is a better string, but haven't been let down by Tornado. Just my opinion, others will differ.
What tension did you use and in what frame? Did you test the 16G or the 17G? Full bed or Hybrid.. and with what if you did hybrid... Thanks for you input. I found the BHB7 to have decent power.. but I think I may have strung it a bit on the high side. Next time I am going 3-5 pounds less.
Why 16 gauge over 17? Because of the string pattern?
I've decided to order a reel of this stuff in 17 gauge.
It works really well in my slightly weighted up Youtek Prestige MP (98/18x20). It really does allow you to hit heavy, heavy balls. Oddly, it doesn't seem to produce quite as much spin in my BLX 6.1 (95/18x20). I guess it must be the denser pattern in the smaller hoop size and the slightly different characteristics of the racuqet. Flat serves are terrific though (sorry PV!)
For a 100/16x19 (which I think your stick is), I'd start with the 16 as the gauge runs thin - its more like a 17, whereas the 17 is more like a 17L. The 16 is also slightly stiffer, slightly less springy and slightly more lower powered which should help even out the characteristics of that racquet given its hoop size and stringing pattern. By all means try the 17 if you prefer, but if it were me with that stick, I'd start with the 16 and then drop down to 17 if necessary.
I see stringers world is now selling them, what is the gauge of the 16 and 17 as it doesnt state on the site......125mm/120mm, 130mm/125 etc??
sorry if this has been mentioned earlier.....
The 16 is 1.30, however, on the 17 it doesn't show the size. Comparing it by look/feel, it appears to be 1.20.
A reel at Stringers World is $109 US and TW's price is $89! That's interesting because Tornado is much cheaper at SW.
The 16 definitely isn't 1.30mm. Comparing it under a halogen lamp to 16 gauges from other manufacturers, its alot thinner. It even crossed my mind whether they had packed the wrong string in the packet, but then looking at the 17, the 17 is thinner still.
I'd say the 16 is around 1.25mm. It will be even thinner still, once its strung under tension.
Comparing it to some other black strings I have, the '16' is noticeably thinner than Blackout 1.24mm (the 1.24mm understimates the gauge of Blackout IMO). BHB7 16 is about the same thickness as (or maybe just a minute fraction thicker) than B5E 17 (which is advertised as 1.24mm).
Black Widow 17 (supposedly 1.26mm) is thinner than all of them.
Tourna stuff is shipped from the US to the UK, so there's customs charges and (relatively high) UK taxes to pay on top of the wholesale price. If the string is manufactured in Germany, it would make more sense if Tourna created a packaging and distribution centre somewhere in the EU, but I think most of the EU string market is biased towards the traditional European manufacturers. Tornardo is a European string that makes the oppposite journey, so you would expect it to be slightly more expensive in the US.
I strung it @57 lbs. with ThunderBlast as a cross in a Head youtek prestige pro. I was anxious to try the BHB7 17gauge, just didn't feel and perform as Tornado. I like trying out new strings thinking one will play better than Tornado. But, each person has there preferances. I am not saying the BHB7 is a bad strig, it's not for me. Thanks...............
I agree, i had big hopes for bhb7 but tornado and hyperion tops it every category for me.
Tornado/Hyperion are very 'middle of road' strings. Unexceptional in any particular category. I don't see how you can properly assess a string as a hybrid. Some polys just work better as a full bed rather than mixed with nylon. If you first test a poly, you should be testing it as a full bed at least until it dies, and only if, for example, you find it too stiff or underpowered should you be thinking about mixing it with something else.
Torres, what are your fave polys for full bed...i think we have similar taste in racquets, but you have hit so many strings. For the record, i like hyperion and tornado, if you know of something way better...what would you say it is??
First of all....that is your asumption of Tornado and Hyperion. I don't use full poly. I use a synthetic gut or multi in the cross with a poly main. Tornado is my favorite so far. All I said is that I didn't care for the string, everyone has there preferance.
Sounds good to me - I don't have 16; I read that in the specs.
If I'm honest, I don't really have a favorite poly as such. There are a few strings/polys I like but I wouldn't say one is necessarily better than the other - they just offer different things which suit come circumstances more than others. My own personal view is that there are so many other variables in tennis that affect results, that poly choice (within reason) isn't the most important factor. At long as its generally one of the better performing polys, is freshly strung, and works for you, I would have thought that would be fine.
For me personally, during the last 6 months or so, I've probably had my best competitive results playing with WC Scorpion but I put that down to my own individual form rather than the string as its nowhere near the best performing poly out there. I just like its predictability and the way it feels. But that can be useful when you're playing on foreign courts in conditions which you're not used to.
I've also had some very good competive results with B5E. Bitey and low powered, its impossible to hit the ball out of the court with that string. You can just grind all day long and watch your opponent gradually bleed points. But I don't like the feel of the string, and I get frustrated having to wait for errors or constantly having to find angles all day instead of being able to hit through the court.
BHBR16 I like. It does lacks a bit in the control department compared to other polys but it generates a crazy amount of action on the ball and can make life very uncomfortable for opponents. Its a terrific string IF you can keep the ball in the court enough of the time. Even in my 95/18x20, I prefer the 16 (which like BHB7 16, runs thin) over the wilder BHBR17 because its just that little bit stiffer and less elastic which helps with control.
I'm liking BHB7 very much as well so far, but I really want to chew through a reel of it first in 16 and 17 gauges under a variety of different conditions before coming to a final conclusion.
At the end of the day I don't believe that there's one poly to end all polys. Obviously some polys are generally better than others, but within reason, different polys simply suit different players, different racquet setup and different playing styles/levels.
Then I don't see how you can properly evaluate BHB7. All you can say is that in whatever stick you play with when you mix BHB7 with synth gut X, the outcome is Y. You don't know what's contributing to what.
If I hybrid BHBR17 for example with a synthetic gut, the synthetic waters down quite alot of the characteristics of the BHBR17 and adds a few of its own. The amount of action generated on the ball is considerably less than with a full bed of BHBR17. The trajectories off the bounce are very different to a full bed. The length of the ball you're hitting is different to a full bed. The amount of spin is different to a full bed. The way the ball dips is different to a full bed. But you couldn't possibly know that unless you've used both to provide a base for comparison - and ideally on more than one occasion. In fact, looking back at your posts, you haven't actually described anything about BHB7 at all, and that's because you simply don't know how it plays.
Some strings play well individually as full beds but simply don't make happy bedfellows when mixed as a hybrid. WC Scorpion is a good poly. VS Team is a premium natural gut. But mix the two together and they just don't jive in my racquet setup despite each of them being good strings individually. Is that the case with BHB7? Who knows? You certainly don't.
I just can't test full polys because of my elbow. But as mains in a hybrid, I was not impressed with Tornado/Hyperion.
When I tested the BHB7 17G I did a hybrid set-up. My reason being that I always use a hybrid and have only played a full bed of poly in TW playtests.
I wanted to compare the BHB7 17G hybrid with my BHS 17G and Polylon Ice 17G hybrids. Used the same tensions and cross string. I also used the same frame with the same specs. It was great to hit with all three frames during the testing. Easy to compare and contrast the set-ups. BTW.. I am still playing the BHB7 17G hybrid.. it is not the best.. and has lost that magic 3rd gen poly feel and performace. Still won 2 out of 3 sets playing doubles... Have a good one.
hmm...seems most folks who are loving this BHB7 also love BHBR which i'm not a big fan of. i haven't had any success w/ twisted shaped strings while shaped strings work fine. not sure what to make of BHB7 so i may just have to order a set to try for myself.
Finally had a chance to hit hit with VS Team mains and BHB7 crosses. This string has good bite probably due to the edges on the string. I would say this string produces a deeper ball than Dunlop Black Widow but Black Widow doesn't have that lively and springy feel to it.
Off center hits felt a bit more jarring than other polys I have hit with so I guess it's a no go in a hybrid setup for me.
BHB7 is obviously shaped but not twisted. BHBR is shaped and twisted. They play differently.
The BHB7 seems to create a much tighter and forward spin. Somewhat more precise than the BHBR. The BHBR seems to impart a more looping spin and higher bounce but a less heavy ball in my experience. The BHB7 seems to drive thur the court, while the BHBR creates more bounce but "spins out" a bit. Those are my experices. I felt more connected to the BHB7 stringbed over the BHBR. Both are great strings but process different attributes and I feel target a different type of ball striker.
Completely agree 100%. There's a bit more 'spray' with BHBR perhaps due to the twisted crosses moving a bit more on impact.
how does these play against rpm blast and alu power???
Stick: Head Youtek Radical Pro
Usual String Setup: BHBR full bed 55/57
Setup: full Bed at 55/57
Stringing: Stringing went very easy. I had some trouble tying the knots, but all in all very easy.
I thought that on ground strokes, the spin was exceptional. Comparable to BHBR. My balls were landing deep in the court, but I could never hit it out. 9/10
Agree with previous posters, this string is not for flat serves. I couldn't generate much power and get it in at the same time on my flat serves. The spin serves were good. 8/10
Volleys were very nice with this string. They were not landing too deep and I was able to really control them. Touch volleys were also easy with these strings. 9/10
BHB7 is pretty soft compared to the BHBR. Nothing to really complain about in feel. 9/10
I have about 10 hours on this string at the moment. No complaints. 9/10
Overall: 8.75/10 Great string. However, I think I will use BHBR instead. I like the more power and unpredictable spin that BHBR gives me.
Nice review. I see you strung your frame about the same tension as I did. I am thinking of going down to about 50 #s or less..to get a wee bit more power and maybe a softer and somewhat better feeling stringbed. My only real issue was a less than perfect feel around the net. Maybe a few pounds less in tension a softer cross will help. Still a great string for my game.
Ok, gents...I've ordered a set of BHBR, BHB7 and Solinco Tour Bite. I'm going to string them up in my Prince SPB100 and i'll break down what I notice in each set. I'm going to have to figure out what string tension to you, though. I'm stringing my racquet right now at 62 lbs with full poly. Those Gosen Polylon SP strings probably experience a bit more tension loss and I like to string higher to keep the control good..but it is like hitting with a board for the first 10-15 minutes or so.
I have no experience with Solinco Tour Bite, I do have experience with the Tourna strings and SP 17. The BHB7 holds tension better than any poly I have used.. so would not do 62.. more like 50-52. I bit higher on the BHBR. Gosen Polylon SP loses a ton of tension even for a poly. If you do not string it higher it becomes hard to control the ball, I used it for an entire year and was stringing even higher than a OG 17 full bed set-up.
^ 50-52 sounds too low in a 100/16x19. If he's already stringing Polylon 16 which is fairly stiff ay 62, I'd be stringing BHB7 16 in the 56-60 range. Obviously, its not an exact science. He'll have to try difference tensions and see what feels best for him.
I am using a 100/16 x 19. I think I strung my frame @ 55.. it should have been 50-52. Polylon SP does not feel like a standard poly.. feels and plays more like a syn gut. Polylon SP playes nothing like Reg.. Basic Polylon..BTW... Have a good one..
Yes, the Polylon SP is quite different than the Polylon. I have always strung the SP at 62-63 and it really loses tension initially, but then kind of settles in. After 5-6 hours on this string, the balls can get very wild. Once I see any string movement at all on the frame, I know that it is time to cut them out. If it's not a USTA match, I will keep playing with them until they break...but they get pretty unplayable. The only string other than the Polylon SP that I really enjoyed was the Luxilon ALU Rough. The RPM Blast, Silverstring and SPPP all seemed a bit more muted/mushy and just didn't suit my game as much.
Steve- I'm glad you have experience with the SP as it will make it easier for me to identify the key factors in a string that play well for me. The groundstrokes are the biggest reason I use the SP, along with the kick serve. People have an incredibly difficult time handling the spin and deep penetration that the ball generates. That being said, I would love to find a compromise in a poly to where it doesn't affect my groundstrokes too much and enhances my serve and volleys. It almost seems like it is too slippery sometimes. When I hit my 2HBH the ball has a massive amount of spin on it and I don't even feel like I can hit a flat ball.
I think I'll try the strings in the 55-58 range and go from there. I want to figure out which of the 3 suits me the best first and then start messing around with tension/gauge.
You know it's weird...full poly has never bothered my arm in a SPB using the ports, but once I use the holes it is definitely noticeable. Especially when I was using the EXO3 Blacks...
Didn't realise that - I thought Gosen Polylon / Polylon SP were basically the same thing. My apologies.
Youch! You do realise that BHB7 and BHBR are massively spin orientated strings?
Yes I do...but this didn't happen with the Lux ALU Rough, so I think it's just because the Polylon SP strings have a super slippery coating. If you want to playtest it, let me know...I have tons of the stuff.
I can flatten the ball on the forehand with BHBR or BHB7 if I can step in and take it a little early, if I'm rushed and hitting off the back leg it's gonna be hard spin.
I have the same experience as you.
Yeah, that's the same for me too. I think most of the time I must be taking the ball later or hitting a deep ball. That's really the most difficult shot to hit for me. When the server is doing a high kick to the backhand side I either have to commit and hit it early or wait and try to do a loop spin shot, which gives the net player in doubles a bit too much time to hit the shot...and even in singles, it seems to put me on the defensive almost instantly.
Sometimes I will hit a slice instead, but I need to figure out how to flatten the backhand on those high loopy shots. Forehand isn't as much of a problem and I can control the depth a bit easier, but the backhand is a crap shoot.
I have been hearing that Tour Bite is a lot stiffer than these other strings...so I am going to playtest it second. I only have 2 racquets right now to use so I am going to test BHBR and BHB7 side by side to start out with.
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