Discussion in 'Strings' started by SteveI, Dec 25, 2011.
Too much tens. loss as I exp. also. I also loved bhb7/bbo in a 16 x 19.
i have to play tonight, need advice..
Have not experienced that and really have no knowledge of ThunderBlast strings. Why are you going up so much tension in the crosses? That's a strange combination that admittedly i've never tried.
Hit with the BHBR again last night- oh baby, playing with this stuff is so rewarding. It just feels soooo nice coming off the racquet. You want to just take a snapshot in your head every time you hit it. My partner commented last night on how the BHBR was really driving into the court when I was hitting with it. He felt that the BHB7 was definitely the slower of the two, but did produce more spin.
I am going to string up a hybrid of BHB7 and BHBR either tonight or tomorrow and give it a shot over this weekend. I will report back on my results with it.
I typically increase my multi crosses by 4 pounds.
that's what i tried to do, as someone explained here somewhere.
but does this may decrease the sweetspot size?
Just put another 6 plus hours on my BHB7 17G / Forten Swert 16G Hybrid. All the negitives I reported during my 1st test cycle are gone. Dropping the tension in my case really did the trick. While I did a few more balls long.. it was not the string. I was feeling so good I was going for my winners and missing long. This was really outside of my comfort zone but lots of fun. With the lower tension I am enjoying great comfort, feel, increased spin and power with a slight decrease in control. Well worth the trade..IMHO. I guess I have hit the 14 plus hour mark and expect the performace to decrease as last time.. My BHS 17G Hybrid was only giving me about 10 good hours.. but it can play stiff compared to the BHB7 17. Loving this stuff..and the weather!!!
I understand increasing tension for the string that is more elastic, but this narrows the hoop which I hate the feeling of. I actually like the feeling when I string the crosses lower and the hoop squashes.
Murray, Dolgopolov string poly M/Gut X at 60/60 and 60/58. I'd think for more pocketing than the trend here of higher cross tension.
I'd be curious to see how poly M/Syn gut X at an overall higher tension, with lower X tension would play.
Ex. If you string at 50/54, maybe try Poly 53/ Syn gut 51?
so does this mean - lower at X = bigger sweetspot?
I did a little experiment recently, in both rackets i had poly mains and synthetic gut crosses, in one racket i had the mains at 57 and crosses at 53 and the other racket i had the mains at 53 and crosses at 57. I found that when dropping the crosses there was much much more ball pocketing and the sweet spot seemed a lot bigger. There also seemed to be a lot more power, however this came at the expense of some control and spin potential. The higher crosses seemed to have more control and it allowed me to create more spin.
Getting back to the title of the thread, I had my pro tour 630 strung up in a full bed of bhb7, 55 mains and 53 crosses. When i first hit with them the spin was unreal, this was just in the warm up and i was hardly putting anything into hitting the ball yet the ball was still moving in the air a lot and kicking up and that was with ball that were near the end of their life. The only thing i would say is that the strings seem to smooth down pretty quickly, im not sure exactly how quickly but after one hit the strings had lost their texture around the sweet spot. I played with them again today with new balls and they were still playing very well, they had excellent control and surprisingly good power.
Can anyone reccommend a tension? I was thinking either 51 or 53. Thanks
yea, that's what i feel, more or less. a tiny sweetspot.
Tried playing doubles with this string (BHB7(17g) mains@54 Gosen OGSM(18g)@56) and it was ridiculous! Spin was insane, power was great, but the trajectory of the ball was WAY too high for me to handle in doubles, so I had to switch to my BHS 17, OGSM18 hybrid and that is a much more doubles friendly set up
so, what's a DEAD BHB7 like?
This stuff is not for me......way too low powerd and dead feeling. Bhb is much better/ more responsive string. The black is very plastic feeling and has no feel
Interesting... I had the same experince the other day. I had to change my grip somewhat to get a better trajectory for doubles. Wtih BH Silver I tend to hit a flater ball which seems to work better for doubles in my case. Overall BHB7 is my winner...
BTW.. this string is not low powered if I string it @ 50-52..and does not lack feel. Over 55 I had a much firmer string bed..less feel and power
Steve, what would be an ideal tension for you to keep BHB7 at it's best feel/spin/control with a low powered multi?
I am using a 16 x 19 pattern with 100 head size. I am finding my best results @ 50/48 using Forten Sweet 16 in the crosses. Sweet might have more power output then say Mantis Comfort Syn or Head Rip Control. What frame are you using and what is your style of play? Swing speed.. etc?
I am yet to experience a total dead feeling BHB7 17G Hybrid. The string does not lose its zip like most polys (all at once)... seems to lose it in a more linear fashion.
i've tried it on PDGT (leaded), at 50/55 (Thunderblast multi, which is low powered).
not sure about my swing speed but i'm baseline most of the time.
right now it feels weird. small sweetspot, very low control. many shots long.
the 50/55 was a nice test when it was fresh, but i think i need much better pocketing-
so around 52/50, or 54/52.. afraid to go as low as yours. i need to keep some control at hand.
Its neither dead feeling nor 'too low powered'.
Either you've got a very light racquet, a very low swing speed or both.
Alright.. I love bhb7. Currently debating between the bhbr and the bhb7 for my next reel. Tonight i strung both youtek ig radical pro (bought another one today). One is bhb7 17g mains @ 54lbs and gosen 17g natural crosses@ 56lbs. The other one is with bhbr 16g mains@ 54lbs and gosen 17g micro natural @56lbs crosses. I noticed the bhb7 to be "pingy" I love both but leaning towards the bhb7. Just wanna confirm the pingy sound as i never hit with it side by side. Thanks.
Steve- where art thou?
Unfortunately, I have to agree. I really wanted to like this string especially after using BHBR, which I liked a lot but I wanted more control.
I would go 54/50...to open up the sweetspot
4lb the other way round you say?
Hmm.. I wonder.
Thats is the way it works. Drop the tension on the crosses and/or use a softer cross to open up the sweetspot. You can also add lead at 3 and 9...
Have a good one..
So anyone notice the pingy sound on the bhb7? I Dont want to cut the strings just yet to reverse the set up on rackets 1 and 2. Again this pertains to the sound produced by bhb7 vs bhbr.
No pingy sounds here... more of a thud.. however..I am not not using a full bed. Using a 17G mains and 16G Sweet (gold) crosses
Wellllllll, I played 3 hours of dubs along with some hitting sessions on Saturday. I think I've finally decided to stick with the BHB7. It really just boils down to what I play best with, and this string gives me most of what I want out of my game.
I still need to mess around with the BHB7/BHBR hybrid..but if that doesn't work out i'm definitely giving the nod to BHB7. Fantastic string..
Just ordered a reel. Can't wait to try t out.
Had my first hit with the BHB7 today. Definately more of a ping sound than the other polys I've used, but not in a bad way. A lot of the old school players sticks that have nice feel/feedback have had that same ping. Pretty good feel and feedback as a poly.
won't be able to find out becuz it'll break on me before it dies. currently have just less than 3 hrs on my hybrid stringbed of BHB7/Polystar Energy and the mains are notched halfway through already. i'm estimating i'll get another hr max out this string bed before it snaps. i'll be sad when it breaks however cuz i've been hitting amazingly well w/ this set up.
Ok, strung the PDGT at 55lb BHB7 / 53 ThunderBlast.
pheeewwww, that really was a different world than that horrible 50/55.
now i have nice pocketing, control, spin,big sweetspot, etc.
finally i wasn't afraid to boom my forehands anymore fearing they'll go long.
let's see how long it'll hold up.
I think a lot of string preference will revolve around the frame and your game. I like certain aspects of BHBR, but I give up others that make other parts of my game dangerous. That's the difference. I'm actually hoping the hybrid will address some of the issues. Looking forward to hitting with it this week. Didn't get a chance over the weekend.
Since BHBR is a more powerful string, would it be better to string it up tighter on the crosses for the hybrid, or just leave it the same as the tension on the BHB7?
String the softer string higher, even if it's in cross. Bhbr is softer than bhb7.
Hey kitey, to what tension should the softer string be strung? What is a "softer" string?
Hey kitey, what makes BHBR softer than bub7? And don't give us a bunch of gobbletygook on this.
Stiffness table here in pdf form that tells you the numbers that I have posted numerous times already. A stiffer string does not stretch as much when struck with a ball or hung off a weight. http://www.stringway-nl.com/en/TAonline/ELONGATION TESTS CLASS 10-2011.pdf elongation pdf
Sometimes the tables don't match up to real life. Lux bbo is listed at 267 and bhbr at 238 or so. I'd say bhb7 is at about 280. So the diff. should be about 2lb-4lbs to even out the elasticity of the string bed, to be more effective when controlling the shot. Its the same reasoning behind all advanced methods, to increase control/feel, such as proportional stringing, jaycee, etc. A normal string job done by the corner paper boy, he will just string one side all at once on the mains, disregarding your frame, and cause cracking, etc. He will not take off tension on oblique pulls with his thumb. He will not ping out mains to even out differences, that will always occur on the first side pulled: that side will ping out higher. He will double pull through several strings to save time. He will burn in crosses too fast. He will pull crosses too fast. He will pre stretch poly and copolys, because he does not know anything about the elastic nature of the bed, and hybrid cohabitation, and how it affects your feel/durability/tens. loss, etc. If you want to make the one thousand experiments I have already made with string, be my guest, but it will take you the same time it took me, since 81. spin a ling, most spin I've seen anyone hit, and I did it, more than Nadal, when all the cross strings are done in hitting bed area. Spin that turned the hissing ball into an oval orange, and kicked 3 feet high over your head, off normal groundies. I call it spin a lings, and copy right the name right here and now. Also make smack a lings, that make loud noise when you hit.
Also avail. through rsi. Google stiffness table rsi: strings. The bed is a cruel *****, and she will torture you with all her might. Your money on frames: $400, your money on strings: $4,000. I can string a babolat counterfeit, silicone it, lead it up, and it will play like a pro frame. (If you use bhb7/bbo, at higher tensions, like 65/67, and that baby will kick like a mule and feel like a head frame. nadal frame as you can see has no cortex at all, and he plays with the apd original frame: shown here x 2.
Here is a counterfeit fake apd with no gray grommets, and is not a + version as listed, etc. This post qualifies as the best string post ever made.
Nadal will hit more spin than you even with a full bed of natural gut....
hit with it again. unfortunately as much as i love the strings it's giving me some elbow discomfort. Pretty odd because i dont even have the same pain when using kevlar and gosen. I strung my bhb7 17 mains @54lbs and gosen 17 cross at 56lbs. I will try it again at 52lbs and see what happens. If i get the same elbow pain, ill stay off the strings. tsk tsk.. im pissed lol!
Try 52/48... see how that works
Elbow pain..weird. I've really never experienced that much, if at all. Last bout of arm tendonitis I had was the result of doing weights at the gym. I've since modified my workout. Heavier weights and tennis don't mix. The last issue of tennis mag had a pretty nice workout plan that i've incorporated into my routine.
BHB7 just feels great from the ground. I take full cuts at the ball, have great confidence that the shot will go in and I believe I had more overall control than the Polylon SP I was using before. One thing I did notice was that my crosscourt forehands were going wide a bit more than normal. Almost like the feeling when you hit too early, but I didn't feel like I was. I'm still getting used to the touch at net (missed what would have been an awesome drop volley), but i'm sure that will come.
Hey Steve, is this you? Just going off the name
SteveI can i post something on your thread? Since I receive my first set of BHB7. I'm going to use it in d main with forten sweet gold 4d cross. What can you suggest with the tension on apdgt+ racquet 100sq.in. 16x19 string pattern? Also what is their differences w/ itB STRING? Thanks. (4.5ntrp player)
I tried this string and it was pretty good but it's the same exact string as Topspin Max Rotation which is cheaper by a bit. Same price but you get more string in the reel... stuff isn't bad though..
I'm using this as a cross with BHBR in the mains. While this setup lacks a ton of power the angles and spin I can hit are absurd. Anyone have thoughts on what the effect would be of reversing the setup?
I've only hit with this setup for an hour and a half but pretty happy with it so far. It feels just a little harsh, but I usually play with Babolat gut or Wilson NXT 17 so that's to be expected I think.
To be clear, you're saying it's a thinner version of the Max Rotation? Haven't tried Rotation, but apparently I'm going to have to.
Ive got this string with global gut in the crosses now and it feels nice but i think i prefer using the bhbr in the crosses. Especially since global was a nightmare to string in the crosses and shaved so much my stringer looked like id been woodworking
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