Discussion in 'Pros' Racquets and Gear' started by Conquistador, Jun 25, 2009.
I never bashed tournagrip, I asked why pros arent under contract with it.
The blisters are the only reason that I would personally try switching to Tournagrip.
You really do sound like your a rep for Gamma though...
Gamma products suck IMO . Only thing worth it are the grips, which are half decent.
I think I read somewhere that Unique Sports doesn't sponsor players.
How do they suck? You are basing biased psychology upon their product. Admit it--you say they suck because everyone else does. Gamma has no one under contract--so everyone says they suck because they see no pros using their stuff. I bet if federer used gamma--it would be the number 1 selling product in everything worldwide. Thats no joke-thats reality. You get someone to endorse product, and it will sell.
I've used gammas strings and the only thing I can say is: They suck and thats not only me saying that. Gamma supreme overgrip is alright, not the best ever but still good.
So why doesn't Gamma gets some top players to endorse their products? HINT: Maybe they are not nearly as good as you think they are.
Also if Federer used gamma it would probably be a paintjob
What Conquistador says is FACT.
If he didn't speak like he's one of the Gamma's CEOs son I would give him some credibility... But his posts are so biased thats not even funny.
That's incorrect. They have sponsored (and still do) several players, including Sampras, Blake, Azarenka and the Bryan brothers. Their budget isn't as big as the larger tennis companies, so their profile and roster aren't as large.
If that were the case, Gamma would do it. The fact is that getting someone to endorse your product has a specific (and fairly predictable) impact on sales. While Federer using Gamma would certainly help their sales, it would not make them number one. That would be impossible based on their business plan, distribution channels, etc.
The decision of whether to sponsor players, and also which ones and how many, is based upon a company's marketing plan and market position, and whether they think the investment will cost more or less than the sales they would gain. In Gamma's case, they feel they can gain more from other marketing tactics, and that pro sponsorship is overpriced in comparison to the sales gains it would provide.
Also incorrect. Players endorse products based on how much they are paid to do so, not on whether they're slightly better than others. Gamma just doesn't pay anyone to endorse their stuff. If you want an idea of which products players think are best, try looking at the few who don't have any endorsement deals of any kind (including freebies) and see what they use. Unfortunately, there are precious few of these people to base the information on, and it takes a bit of digging. (And even in those cases, many just use products they're familiar with or that another player, coach, stringer, etc. recommended to them.)
Look at gammas marketing budget. They have full page color ads in almost every tennis magazine you open. Seems to me they have plenty of budget to sponsor players. Problem is, they can't even PAY players to use their crapola. Ha ha ha ha!!!!
That is quite cute/funny, but for the sake of those who don't know whether you're kidding, it's also wrong. After all, how do you know how much money they have left AFTER buying those ads. As stated two posts above:
"The decision of whether to sponsor players, and also which ones and how many, is based upon a company's marketing plan and market position, and whether they think the investment will cost more or less than the sales they would gain. In Gamma's case, they feel they can gain more from other marketing tactics, and that pro sponsorship is overpriced in comparison to the sales gains it would provide."
That is why they don't sponsor anyone. And obviously, if they buy all those full page ads, they've already spent that particular money. It doesn't magically reproduce. So they don't sponsor anyone because they CHOOSE not to, regardless of whether their products are good or "crapola". It's part of their market positioning, just as it is for several other tennis companies.
N.B.: It's also worth noting that sponsoring a real top pro, of the kind who can really move sales in a significant way, costs a lot more than a few full page ads in a speciality publication. And you still then have to spend the money on the ads to let the world know the pro is using your stuff.
I love TG but must say it wears out way too quickly for me and I can't justify putting a new grip on before every session.
Wilson Pro and some of the Babolats tend to suit me better.
That being said, if I were a pro and not paying for ANYTHING, I would always use TG.
ok, then apply your logic to Tourna Grip. They sponsor only a handful of players yet 1/2 the pro tour uses it... by choice. That means, pro's do have a choice in grips, you think Gamma would show up somewhere on someones racket. nada....
Yonex Supergrap is the best. I used to use Tourna grip, but now I feel like it offers nothing. It just feels like garbage.
Supergrap beats Wilson pro overgrip because it's thicker and more cushioned, providing more comfort (and IMO feel and control).
I totally agree with that. But it's two separate points. To say Gamma can't sponsor pros even though they want to due to the inferiority of their products, and that pros won't use it even if paid is false. Gamma doesn't have paid pro endorsers because they choose not to. But as you point out, the unpaid pros definitely seem to prefer Tourna to Gamma. The pros either prefer Tournagrip based on their needs or are more aware of it and used to it. It's been well established that pros don't like to change their equipment much in dozens of racquet and string threads. I was just saying that sponsorship is a money thing, and many pros would surely be happy to use Gamma if paid to do so. (As a side note, you do also have to keep in mind that Tourna is a much better distributed product and has been available around the world for years, so many more players grew up using it. On the other hand, many people don't have easy access to Gamma stuff in large portions of the world. I'm not saying that's the only reason Tourna is preferred, but it's a factor. If something isn't around, it doesn't get used.)
I believe donald young is using it. By the way Gamma Supreme is getting popular worldwide. http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/feedback.html?pcode=GSO
Most professionals dont prefer tacky overgrips by the way. Pros play in extreme heat and long matches with long rallys. I would say that tacky overgrips are used by 80 percent of recreational players. I only know a couple of people that use non tacky grips at my tennis club. And there are a lot of 5.0+ players there. Tacky overgrips seem to gaining in popularity every day.
"Popular worldwide"?? Your link includes six guys from outside the US who like the grip. This pimping is becoming tawdry.
Some grips arent available worldwide....
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