Tournament draws

[warmsurfing]

In my daughter's last tournament:
My daughter is 11,and she was in a 14's tournament.
Her match started 12:15 pm,and ended 2;08 pm.It was a 3 sets match,and my daughter won.
Then we were told to come back at 4 pm for the next match.
We came back to the court at 3:45 ,and the match started at 4;15 pm.My daughter lost, I could see and understood that she was tired.It was ok.She was against the no 1 ranking girl.
Later,I saw the draw,the no 1 girl did not play that day.She was against a 'bye"My daughter's match was the second match of the draw !
Surely this was not fair,and this matter keeps coming up on my mind.



(We are not living in the US).

 

[Number1Coach]

In my daughter's last tournament:
My daughter is 11,and she was in a 14's tournament.
Her match started 12:15 pm,and ended 2;08 pm.It was a 3 sets match,and my daughter won.
Then we were told to come back at 4 pm for the next match.
We came back to the court at 3:45 ,and the match started at 4;15 pm.My daughter lost, I could see and understood that she was tired.It was ok.She was against the no 1 ranking girl.
Later,I saw the draw,the no 1 girl did not play that day.She was against a 'bye"My daughter's match was the second match of the draw !
Surely this was not fair,and this matter keeps coming up on my mind.



(We are not living in the US).

Welcome to life and tennis you need to get your daughter in shape so she can be ready to grind through matches also Most Important make sure between matches she eats and drinks right . Best of luck to you.

 

[SoCal10s]

I think the USTA rule allows 1 hour rest between single matches and 1/2 hour between doubles .. so why is this not fair?

 

[klu375]

This is one of the advantages of being seeded. When your daughter will be seeded she will enjoy these advantages too.
Tournament director should provide equal conditions to both opponent but it doesn't always happen. Sometimes one of the opponents played previous match the day before or early in the morning while your kid have to play 2 matches in a row. Sometimes the players who have this advantage are affiliated with club where tournament is conducted. Sometimes the rules will be bent to help local players and put additional pressure on the "visitors". How about telling 10 yo that bathroom break is not allowed? Or tournament director standing on the court and giving your daughter "dirty look" every time she calls the ball out? Your daughter may learn early that life is not fair. Make sure she knows the rules regarding bathroom breaks, medical timeouts, coaching, etc.

 

[warmsurfing]

I think the USTA rule allows 1 hour rest between single matches and 1/2 hour between doubles .. so why is this not fair?

One hour rest after a two hours noontime tropical sun match ?

 

[warmsurfing]

I think the USTA rule allows 1 hour rest between single matches and 1/2 hour between doubles .. so why is this not fair?

One hour rest after a two hours noontime ,outdoor under tropical sun match ?

 

[warmsurfing]

This is one of the advantages of being seeded. When your daughter will be seeded she will enjoy these advantages too.
Tournament director should provide equal conditions to both opponent but it doesn't always happen. Sometimes one of the opponents played previous match the day before or early in the morning while your kid have to play 2 matches in a row. Sometimes the players who have this advantage are affiliated with club where tournament is conducted. Sometimes the rules will be bent to help local players and put additional pressure on the "visitors". How about telling 10 yo that bathroom break is not allowed? Or tournament director standing on the court and giving your daughter "dirty look" every time she calls the ball out? Your daughter may learn early that life is not fair. Make sure she knows the rules regarding bathroom breaks, medical timeouts, coaching, etc.

I have a feeling these are happening.it will be very bad if one travels far ,for like an ITF tournament.

 

[SoCal10s]

One hour rest after a two hours noontime ,outdoor under tropical sun match ?

junior tennis tournaments are a lot tougher than WTA tournaments .. those summer nationals here in the USA are brutal .. I know a girl who played about 20 sets of tournament tennis in one weekend .. she entered ,singles and doubles and was in the finals in both and had 2 matches each day in both ... when was the last time you saw a WTA pro do that?

 

[klu375]

I have to agree with Number1Coach - you need to be physically prepared for the worst case scenarios. The worst case in us junior tennis is 2 singles (2 out of 3 full sets)+2 doubles (8 games proset) or 1 singles+2 doubles (2 out of 3 full sets) or 3 singles matches with TB as third set in one day. Then you may have to repeat the same the next day. You need to learn how to finish matches quickly. If you lose concentration and get into 3 hr match when you should not you may be out of the tournament too soon.

 

[pvsportsfan]

Byes for seeded players are par for the course. The player who doesn't have the benefit of the bye will just have to knuckle down. That's where all the conditioning workouts come in handy.

One of my daughters entered a local tournament this year, playing G12 single, G12 doubles and G14 doubles, and she didn't get the benefit of the bye as some opponents, so it was a busy tourney, especially on the last day when she had to do 3 finals. It was all good, though, as she treated the event as an endurance workout.

 

[teentennisrules]

In my daughter's last tournament:
My daughter is 11,and she was in a 14's tournament.
Her match started 12:15 pm,and ended 2;08 pm.It was a 3 sets match,and my daughter won.
Then we were told to come back at 4 pm for the next match.
We came back to the court at 3:45 ,and the match started at 4;15 pm.My daughter lost, I could see and understood that she was tired.It was ok.She was against the no 1 ranking girl.
Later,I saw the draw,the no 1 girl did not play that day.She was against a 'bye"My daughter's match was the second match of the draw !
Surely this was not fair,and this matter keeps coming up on my mind.



(We are not living in the US).

Sorry but this will the first of about 1000 frustrating things in playing jr tournaments but it did prepare me for almost anything. Your daughter will survive - we all did lol.

 

[Mighty Matteo]

i had to play five matches in one day during a tournament and it summed up to over 9 hours of play time and i won the tournament based on physical conditioning as i work very hard on fitness. the hardest part is not the the physical part however, it is really the mental part of having to be intense match after match.

 

[warmsurfing]

This is one of the advantages of being seeded. When your daughter will be seeded she will enjoy these advantages too.
Tournament director should provide equal conditions to both opponent but it doesn't always happen. Sometimes one of the opponents played previous match the day before or early in the morning while your kid have to play 2 matches in a row. Sometimes the players who have this advantage are affiliated with club where tournament is conducted. Sometimes the rules will be bent to help local players and put additional pressure on the "visitors". How about telling 10 yo that bathroom break is not allowed? Or tournament director standing on the court and giving your daughter "dirty look" every time she calls the ball out? Your daughter may learn early that life is not fair. Make sure she knows the rules regarding bathroom breaks, medical timeouts, coaching, etc.

Then setting up tournaments are like setting up business.Coaches want their students to win,so they become famous and have more students.:-?
May be they should focus more on keeping tennis up.

 

[DownTheLine]

I once played 17 matches in 4 days. I was at a tournament where I played 8 singles matches and 3 doubles matches in 3 days. Then a team tennis tourny part of the day 3 and all of day 4.

In the middle of summer.

 

[seminoleG]

My daughter played 3 Matches in 1 day G10s and won them all, but she also plays Soccer and is in great shape compared to others. She got seeded and what a difference showing up at 12:00 vs 8am playing a girl that had played a match and it showed. Luck of the draw.
G

 

[pvsportsfan]

"Luck of the draw" sums it up. It makes it interesting to wait with anticipation when the draws are posted.

I can tell of crazy draw times for my daughter in a tournament a couple months ago (Girls 12). On the last day of the tourney, she had a semi-final match at 8am, and a finals match at 11:30am. Not so bad, right? Well, she also had a doubles match at 11am and another doubles match at 2:30pm.

The time sequence was 8am, 11am, 11:30am, 2:30pm. I think the tourney director had to clear out the courts because there was another event (team tennis) later in the day. It was insane but she made it through them.

 

[warmsurfing]

I once played 17 matches in 4 days. I was at a tournament where I played 8 singles matches and 3 doubles matches in 3 days. Then a team tennis tourny part of the day 3 and all of day 4.

In the middle of summer.

I know,when one is tired,he can not do a big forehand,he can only 'slice"

 

[warmsurfing]

My daughter played 3 Matches in 1 day G10s and won them all, but she also plays Soccer and is in great shape compared to others. She got seeded and what a difference showing up at 12:00 vs 8am playing a girl that had played a match and it showed. Luck of the draw.
G

"Luck of the draw" ?
Then why they took 3 days to set up the draw?
We all know the answers.

 

[chalkflewup]

Quote: Originally Posted by seminoleG My daughter played 3 Matches in 1 day G10s and won them all, but she also plays Soccer and is in great shape compared to others. She got seeded and what a difference showing up at 12:00 vs 8am playing a girl that had played a match and it showed. Luck of the draw. G "Luck of the draw" ? Then why they took 3 days to set up the draw? We all know the answers.

Fot those of thus that don't know, please tell us the answers.

 

[Larrysümmers]

Fot those of thus that don't know, please tell us the answers.

i was thinking the same

 

[seminoleG]

Then setting up tournaments are like setting up business.Coaches want their students to win,so they become famous and have more students.:-?
May be they should focus more on keeping tennis up.

I think the point is the Draw is influenced by coaches. Well I know that my daughter has played the winner or finalist in 4 separate tournaments in the first match. Never considered if the draw was influenced.

Figure first match last match, tournaments are a practical application of what her coach has taught her, nothing more.

So we have benefited from playing the eventual finalist, won some sets, did well. All were better matches then some of her tournament wins. If i had a choice I want the #1 seed to measure how well my daughter is applying what she has learned/practiced.

 

[warmsurfing]

I think the point is the Draw is influenced by coaches. Well I know that my daughter has played the winner or finalist in 4 separate tournaments in the first match. Never considered if the draw was influenced.

Figure first match last match, tournaments are a practical application of what her coach has taught her, nothing more.

So we have benefited from playing the eventual finalist, won some sets, did well. All were better matches then some of her tournament wins. If i had a choice I want the #1 seed to measure how well my daughter is applying what she has learned/practiced.

Of course it is good to play with someone better.But like your daughter,my daughter in the last 3 tournaments, she played with the no 1 girl in the second matchs.She lost.
It is good to play with someone better,but,it is holding her back from the ranking.

 

[Soianka]

Of course it is good to play with someone better.But like your daughter,my daughter in the last 3 tournaments, she played with the no 1 girl in the second matchs.She lost.
It is good to play with someone better,but,it is holding her back from the ranking.

Once she gets her ranking up, she'll get seeded and won't play the a seeded player so early in the draw.

However, if she is having trouble getting past the first round consistently, then you might want to put her in a tournament a level or 2 down.

Or really scout the tournaments before registering and put her in ones with weaker competition to get her confidence up and get some wins under her belt.

I wouldn't worry so much about the draws and definitely don't let your daughter know that you think this is unfair or that is unfair because she will begin to look outside herself for explanations about her results rather than feeling that she can get the results she wants by working hard, etc.

 

[warmsurfing]

Once she gets her ranking up, she'll get seeded and won't play the a seeded player so early in the draw.

However, if she is having trouble getting past the first round consistently, then you might want to put her in a tournament a level or 2 down.

Or really scout the tournaments before registering and put her in ones with weaker competition to get her confidence up and get some wins under her belt.

I wouldn't worry so much about the draws and definitely don't let your daughter know that you think this is unfair or that is unfair because she will begin to look outside herself for explanations about her results rather than feeling that she can get the results she wants by working hard, etc.[/QUO"TE]

You missed the point !
My daughter wants to play the no.1 girl,but in a " if all things are equal" way !

(we live in an island.)

 

[Soianka]

Once she gets her ranking up, she'll get seeded and won't play the a seeded player so early in the draw.

However, if she is having trouble getting past the first round consistently, then you might want to put her in a tournament a level or 2 down.

Or really scout the tournaments before registering and put her in ones with weaker competition to get her confidence up and get some wins under her belt.

I wouldn't worry so much about the draws and definitely don't let your daughter know that you think this is unfair or that is unfair because she will begin to look outside herself for explanations about her results rather than feeling that she can get the results she wants by working hard, etc.

You missed the point !
My daughter wants to play the no.1 girl,but in a " if all things are equal" way !

(we live in an island.)

Oh, well I still think you worry too much about things you cannot control.

If the draw isn't full then the top seeds are going to get byes.

It really isn't that much of an advantage to be honest...if an advantage at all. My daughter is older than yours, but she often does better if she plays a warmup match in the morning before playing a better player.

So you should try to look at it as an advantage for one.

And two remember these tournaments are for practise. The more matches your daughter gets to play for your entry fee, the better. Byes are not really a good thing at this stage of the game.