TravlerAJM is a Genius! - Djokovic Switches to a Trav setup and the reign begins

[TaihtDuhShaat]

We know from Greg Raven's 2009 specs that Djokovic started to use a SW2 polarized setup of the following specs:

360 g
32.1 cm balance
371 sw

Then in mid 2010 he added long strips of lead from 8/4 to to 10/2, and if you look closely at the transparent grommets, he has thick 2" long stacks of lead at 10/2.

Coupled with the ideal balance he uses for his arm length, (the ideal ATP balance that Travler professes about), this setup is exactly the same as the TravlerAJM setup!

And look what it has done for his game!

This is the prime example of what TravlerAJM has been trying to explan for a long time.

 

[shadowshifter]

Wait, so what are the specs of his current set up?

 

[TaihtDuhShaat]

On second thought, his new stick could be as heavy as 376g. It's also possible his balance has been lengthened; ie. >32 cm since the face of his racquet doesn't lag behind his hand as much as 2009.
We'll find out soon from Fabfed.

 

[el sergento]

It's hard to predict exactly what his new specs are since they haven't been measured at a tournament yet, but given the known changes in his setup since the 2009 measurement, my educated guess is:

372 g
32.1 cm balance (may have changed to 31.8 cm given the new mass locations)
371 sw

This is all hogwash, there's no way of knowing the above specs.

The only somewhat objective info of Nole's stick is what Cahill has said on air. Without any specifics, Cahill mentioned that he changed something with his racquet, but he actually said that he reduced the SW.

Anyway, no doubt someone can dig up the actual quote.

 

[TaihtDuhShaat]

Well if you would like to know the reasoning used to arrive to those new specs:

360 g from 2009 + 8g of additional lead from 8/4 to 10/2 - 1g from 10/2 + 5g needed silicone counterweight in the hairpin =

372g with the same SW. If he in fact decreased his SW, it cannot be by more than 5 or so SW points since he would be lower than the ideal SW2 zone and in the max power zone. Since the SW needed for optimal depth control for SW2 is an exact value for each player, I highly doubt his SW changed by more than very little.

 

[el sergento]

Well if you would like to know the reasoning used to arrive to those new specs:

360 g from 2009 + 8g of additional lead from 8/4 to 10/2 - 1g from 10/2 + 5g needed silicone counterweight in the hairpin =

372g with the same SW. If he in fact decreased his SW, it cannot be by more than 5 or so SW points since he would be lower than the ideal SW2 zone and in the max power zone. Since the SW needed for optimal depth control for SW2 is an exact value for each player, I highly doubt his SW changed by more than very little.

Dude, stop quoting the above "premises" as though they were undisputed laws of physics.

Truth is, other than the previous specs (which were for his Wilson), no one knows what specs he's using. You can't assume that he didn't change anything other than the strips of lead that are visible.

 

[TaihtDuhShaat]

The previous specs from Greg Raven in 2009 were from his SW2 white Head Speed PJ.

 

[eleventeenth street]

Well if you would like to know the reasoning used to arrive to those new specs:

360 g from 2009 + 8g of additional lead from 8/4 to 10/2 - 1g from 10/2 + 5g needed silicone counterweight in the hairpin =

372g with the same SW. If he in fact decreased his SW, it cannot be by more than 5 or so SW points since he would be lower than the ideal SW2 zone and in the max power zone. Since the SW needed for optimal depth control for SW2 is an exact value for each player, I highly doubt his SW changed by more than very little.

but isn't this conclusion based on the assumption that djokovic, or whoever mods his racquets, abides by all these MgR/I, SW2 theories. i thought these were exclusive to TW folk. i recall ron yu saying how professional customizers didn't use terms like sw2 or "polarized/de-polarized"

 

[TaihtDuhShaat]

but isn't this conclusion based on the assumption that djokovic, or whoever mods his racquets, abides by all these MgR/I, SW2 theories. i thought these were exclusive to TW folk. i recall ron yu saying how professional customizers didn't use terms like sw2 or "polarized/de-polarized"

Yes, this is all under the assumption that there is an ideal balance for a given mass and swingweight for each individual, and that in a swingweight vs. power graph, the line has a negative slope after a maximal power value (~SW360 for the average person).

It is safe to assume that Djokovic's setup abides by these two principles since his racquet falls at the same speed as his hand in slow-motion footage of his forehand directly after takeback, and his SW has been documented higher than the maximum power zone of the swingweight vs. power graph since he began using the white head speed pj in 2009.

 

[eleventeenth street]

Yes, this is all under the assumption that there is an ideal balance for a given mass and swingweight for each individual, and that in a swingweight vs. power graph, the line has a negative slope after a maximal power value (~SW360 for the average person).

It is safe to assume that Djokovic's setup abides by these two principles since his racquet falls at the same speed as his hand in slow-motion footage of his forehand directly after takeback, and his SW has been documented higher than the maximum power zone of the swingweight vs. power graph since he began using the white head speed pj in 2009.

not to impugn your theories, but that is a really weakly reasoned assumption.

 

[TaihtDuhShaat]

not to impugn your theories, but that is a really weakly reasoned assumption.

After the course of many hours of experimenting on court to find my ideal balance, seeing it in use by others is unmistakeable.

 

[Power Player]

Djoko wins because he got his head on straight and has been playing great tennis. It is far more mental than about a racquet.

 

[dadozen]

Saying that he became no. 1 just because he changed a few racquet specs is underestimate all his work both in and off court.

 

[eleventeenth street]

After the course of many hours of experimenting on court to find my ideal balance, seeing it in use by others is unmistakeable.

well no, your assumption can't possibly be unmistakeable because at this point it is still just a hypothesis. the only empirical evidence you've given to support your claim is the fact that his racquet falls at the same speed as his hand in slow motion footage which isn't exactly categorical confirmation.

i don't want to seem like i'm trying to attack you or anything, the technical aspects of racquet customization are pretty interesting, but it just seems like you made some pretty spurious leaps of logic here

 

[TaihtDuhShaat]

well no, your assumption can't possibly be unmistakeable because at this point it is still just a hypothesis. the only empirical evidence you've given to support your claim is the fact that his racquet falls at the same speed as his hand in slow motion footage which isn't exactly categorical confirmation.

i don't want to seem like i'm trying to attack you or anything, the technical aspects of racquet customization are pretty interesting, but it just seems like you made some pretty spurious leaps of logic here

You are arguing that Djokovic does not use an ideal racquet balance for his body.

 

[pyrokid]

You are arguing that Djokovic does not use an ideal racquet balance for his body.

Well that's a completely legitimate argument.... Because according to you it was true in the past.

 

[eleventeenth street]

You are arguing that Djokovic does not use an ideal racquet balance for his body.

???

i have no idea how you have managed to interpret what i've said into the statement above. i have no clear indication whether he does or does not use an ideal racquet balance, or if there even exists an objectively ideal racquet balance.

my only point was that your own claims, which you describe as "unmistakeable", aren't preceded by any real empirical evidence and seem to be based on unverified theory. i'm not saying you're wrong, just that you haven't really earned your claims of being unequivocally right. if you are indeed right, then twelve hell yeahs to you, but your logic here is pretty feeble.

 

[jackcrawford]

Djoko wins because he got his head on straight and has been playing great tennis. It is far more mental than about a racquet.

All you need to do is get a PS 85 and lead it up to SW 400, and you're # 1 in the world automatically - don't you know that

 

[TaihtDuhShaat]

Well that's a completely legitimate argument.... Because according to you it was true in the past.

The reason for Djokovic's racquet performance increase is not due to a balance change. What gave Djokovic the truly high performance racquet setup is how much and where the lead is placed on the upper hoop, coupled with the ideal balance allowing the racquet face to accelerate at the same speed as his hand before and at contact. This honors Travlerajm as it is this combination that he has been professing for a long time.

 

[TaihtDuhShaat]

???

i have no idea how you have managed to interpret what i've said into the statement above. i have no clear indication whether he does or does not use an ideal racquet balance, or if there even exists an objectively ideal racquet balance.

my only point was that your own claims, which you describe as "unmistakeable", aren't preceded by any real empirical evidence and seem to be based on unverified theory. i'm not saying you're wrong, just that you haven't really earned your claims of being unequivocally right. if you are indeed right, then twelve hell yeahs to you, but your logic here is pretty feeble.

This is the goal! To inspire others out there to seek out their ideal mass balance swingweight combination so tennis can become much easier and more fun. Djokovic is just a prime example of the results of a high performance setup. I urge you to study Travlerajm's threads on balance and swingweight.

 

[klementine]

Who was that one guy???

John Colath??

Colinth??

Cothal??


I agree with PowerPlayer.... Djokovic is just playing smarter and not falling apart... he is seeing the ball better and most importantly people like him.

 

[nickarnold2000]

Who was that one guy???

John Colath??

Colinth??

Cothal??


I agree with PowerPlayer.... Djokovic is just playing smarter and not falling apart... he is seeing the ball better and most importantly people like him.

His movement is also out of this world!

 

[klementine]

^ forgot about that.... thanks.


seriously though.... who was that one cat on TT awhile back infamous for such theories....

John Cothal??

Colinth??

Cal..something??

 

[cellofaan]

Well if you would like to know the reasoning used to arrive to those new specs:

360 g from 2009 + 8g of additional lead from 8/4 to 10/2 - 1g from 10/2 + 5g needed silicone counterweight in the hairpin =

372g with the same SW. If he in fact decreased his SW, it cannot be by more than 5 or so SW points since he would be lower than the ideal SW2 zone and in the max power zone. Since the SW needed for optimal depth control for SW2 is an exact value for each player, I highly doubt his SW changed by more than very little.

Whether you're right or wrong, your argument is completely weird.
First you say Djokovic is using Travlerajm's setup, which you conclude from his old specs and new lead setup.
Then you say that you don't know the setup exactly, but that it must be so and so, because otherwise it doesn't follow travler's rules.


It pretty much sounds like: he is using an SW2 setup, because his setup is such and such, because otherwise it wouldn't be an SW2 setup.

^ forgot about that.... thanks.


seriously though.... who was that one cat on TT awhile back infamous for such theories....

John Cothal??

Colinth??

Cal..something??

Cauthen I think

 

[rooski]

With all of those rackets Nole threw up in the crowd at Wimbly perhaps someone will actually share the real specs of his strung frames.

 

[pudelko]

http://london.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-sell-other-Novak-Djokovic-broken-racket-sports-memoribilia-W0QQAdIdZ290052246

I emailed and asked for the weight and he told me its 11.2oz (317.5g)

Supposebly this was used last year in August at the Rogers Cup in Toronto.

 

[rooski]

http://london.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-sell-other-Novak-Djokovic-broken-racket-sports-memoribilia-W0QQAdIdZ290052246

I emailed and asked for the weight and he told me its 11.2oz (317.5g)

Supposebly this was used last year in August at the Rogers Cup in Toronto.

I'm pretty sure it would be impossible to truly guage anything other than total weight from a crushed frame that is no longer 27" in length Let's wait for the specs to come in from the perfect condition Wimbly frames floating around the UK.

 

[EKnee08]

Saying that he became no. 1 just because he changed a few racquet specs is underestimate all his work both in and off court.

Exactly. See his recent quotes as to improvment in technique and mental toughness. He is supposedly "using" the new speed but has not given credit to the setup for bringing him to no. 1.

 

[Power Player]

On second thought, his new stick could be as heavy as 376g. It's also possible his balance has been lengthened; ie. >32 cm since the face of his racquet doesn't lag behind his hand as much as 2009.
We'll find out soon from Fabfed.

And wrong.

He is at 359 grams, which disproves your thread.

 

[TaihtDuhShaat]

And wrong.

He is at 359 grams, which disproves your thread.

No - I was wrong in assuming Djokovic went heavier and more headlight. His racquet is still at a swingweight above the max power zone at SW2, and his balanced has been lengthened, which should put his mgR/I at a better value for the length of his arm. If you look at slow-mo footage from 2009 and 2011, his racquet tip comes around faster relative to his hand in 2011. This is due to a larger value of mgR/I.

My goal of this was to shed some light on a properly balanced, high SW setup that can give many players much more performance by using Djokovic as an example. If you are interested an easier bigger serve, more spin with a ball that leaps off the court, gravity assisted strokes that are more reliable, and better returns and volleys, I urge you to educate yourself on TravlerAJM's threads on 'a tale of two swingweights' and 'mgR/I'.

 

[Power Player]

Dude..stop.

 

[eleventeenth street]

whether there is any legitimacy to your claims and conclusions at this point is irrelevant because you are not using anything even resembling reason to get there.

 

[Laver777]

i dont think it was purely his racquet.... in january it was obvious he had changed his service action which was the biggest problem of his game

 

[Anton]

Djoker fixed his service and his conditioning is much better then it used to be - that's why he is number 1

 

[0d1n]

No - I was wrong in assuming Djokovic went heavier and more headlight. His racquet is still at a swingweight above the max power zone at SW2, and his balanced has been lengthened, which should put his mgR/I at a better value for the length of his arm. If you look at slow-mo footage from 2009 and 2011, his racquet tip comes around faster relative to his hand in 2011. This is due to a larger value of mgR/I.

My goal of this was to shed some light on a properly balanced, high SW setup that can give many players much more performance by using Djokovic as an example. If you are interested an easier bigger serve, more spin with a ball that leaps off the court, gravity assisted strokes that are more reliable, and better returns and volleys, I urge you to educate yourself on TravlerAJM's threads on 'a tale of two swingweights' and 'mgR/I'.

GTFO.

10 monkeys.