Tried a Natural Gut/Poly Hybrid Again...meh

CosmosMpower

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I've been a poly user for a while and decided to string up my Angell TC97 a hybrid of Babolat natural color VS Gut 1.30 and Solinco Revolution 1.20. The results were sub par for me, a tiny bit more power than the full bed of poly and less spin/control. The gut/poly bed did not feel any softer or more plush. I strung the gut mains at 52 lbs and poly crosses at my usual 47 lbs.

Should I have strung the gut much higher to get the best out of it? I don't see what the hype is all about but then again I don't have tennis elbow or any issues with a full bed of poly except needing to restring it every 8-9 hours.
 

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I've been a poly user for a while and decided to string up my Angell TC97 a hybrid of Babolat natural color VS Gut 1.30 and Solinco Revolution 1.20. The results were sub par for me, a tiny bit more power than the full bed of poly and less spin/control. The gut/poly bed did not feel any softer or more plush. I strung the gut mains at 52 lbs and poly crosses at my usual 47 lbs.

Should I have strung the gut much higher to get the best out of it? I don't see what the hype is all about but then again I don't have tennis elbow or any issues with a full bed of poly except needing to restring it every 8-9 hours.
Gut58/poly54 would be a better combo. Even 56/52. Some other gut/poly hybrid users might have more feedback.
 

McLovin

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IMO, if your usual tension is 47lbs for full poly, then what you did was the best for an initial comparison. You don't want to change too many variables, and increasing gut mains by 2-4lbs is the normal recommendation (I prefer the 2lb difference, but to each their own).

I wouldn't give you any hard #s as a recommendation because I don't know (a) the stringer and (b) the machine. One person's 54 can easily be another's 50 and another's 56.

Also...its just my opinion, but VS isn't what it used to be. Even Pacific Classic is a better feeling gut IMO, although I much prefer Pacific Tough Gut. Bow Brand was my favorite, but alas, they stopped manufacturing gut ~ 8 years ago...
 

CosmosMpower

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Sorry forgot to mention I string on a Neos 1000 lockout that's calibrated. At a 5 lb difference I could already notice some deformation of the frame when I finished and pulled it off the mounts. I think i'm just going to stick with a full bed of poly in the mid 40's, that was an expensive experiment. 22 bucks for a half set of gut, 6 bucks for a half set of poly. Good thing labor was free so I don't feel bad about cutting it out after 1 hr.
 

IowaGuy

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cutting it out after 1 hr.
It's possible/likely that you didn't really even experience what gut/poly feels like once it's broken in.

For my gut/poly hybrid, it takes a couple of hours just to break in the gut (Lendl back in the day supposedly had others hit with his rackets before he played with them).

I use ToughGut, and it bites the ball better once the coating starts to wear off a bit (2-3 hours). Some people like gut more and more the more they play with a particular stringjob, due to the increasing bite it gives...
 

CosmosMpower

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It's possible/likely that you didn't really even experience what gut/poly feels like once it's broken in.

For my gut/poly hybrid, it takes a couple of hours just to break in the gut (Lendl back in the day supposedly had others hit with his rackets before he played with them).

I use ToughGut, and it bites the ball better once the coating starts to wear off a bit (2-3 hours). Some people like gut more and more the more they play with a particular stringjob, due to the increasing bite it gives...
You're right, I hit with it again yesterday for about an hour and it felt much better after the initial 4 lbs tension drop. It had quite a bit more power but still less spin than full poly and it felt a bit softer. I may give it another few hours and see if I like it. So far the gut still looks brand new with no noticeable wear in the coating. I can't see this being my setup moving forward since the cost is about 5X a full poly bed.
 

IowaGuy

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You're right, I hit with it again yesterday for about an hour and it felt much better after the initial 4 lbs tension drop. It had quite a bit more power but still less spin than full poly and it felt a bit softer. I may give it another few hours and see if I like it. So far the gut still looks brand new with no noticeable wear in the coating. I can't see this being my setup moving forward since the cost is about 5X a full poly bed.
I agree less spin than full poly, but not by a whole lot IME.

MUCH softer on the arm than full poly.

Some of us like the additional power over full poly... I don't hit as hard now as 30 years ago, so a little additional power is welcomed :)

And I like the increased touch I get from gut/poly compared to full poly, YMMV.

If paying for stringing, it's about 2X the cost of full poly. If you have a stringing machine, about 3X the cost of full poly. But, playability can be about twice as long as full poly (depending on your strokes/opponents), so that somewhat evens the playing field for a lot of rec players...
 

CosmosMpower

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I agree less spin than full poly, but not by a whole lot IME.

MUCH softer on the arm than full poly.

Some of us like the additional power over full poly... I don't hit as hard now as 30 years ago, so a little additional power is welcomed :)

And I like the increased touch I get from gut/poly compared to full poly, YMMV.

If paying for stringing, it's about 2X the cost of full poly. If you have a stringing machine, about 3X the cost of full poly. But, playability can be about twice as long as full poly (depending on your strokes/opponents), so that somewhat evens the playing field for a lot of rec players...
My playing partners thought shots came in faster and heavier with the gut poly and said more spin but it didn't seem that way from my side of the net. I don't think it's a lot softer than full poly but I use 18G at mid 40's tension so it already feels pretty plush. I buy reels of Poly for around 100 bucks which works out to be 6 bucks a set. A full set of VS gut is 45 bucks so a half set is around 23 which is about 4x more.
 

Sander001

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IMO, if your usual tension is 47lbs for full poly, then what you did was the best for an initial comparison. You don't want to change too many variables, and increasing gut mains by 2-4lbs is the normal recommendation (I prefer the 2lb difference, but to each their own).

I wouldn't give you any hard #s as a recommendation because I don't know (a) the stringer and (b) the machine. One person's 54 can easily be another's 50 and another's 56.

Also...its just my opinion, but VS isn't what it used to be. Even Pacific Classic is a better feeling gut IMO, although I much prefer Pacific Tough Gut. Bow Brand was my favorite, but alas, they stopped manufacturing gut ~ 8 years ago...
I can get Luxilon gut, Wilson gut and Babolat gut for the same price.

Can you recommend one?

Also, I string multi/poly @ 55/45 and it’s perfect. What tension should I go for with gut mains?
 

McLovin

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I can get Luxilon gut, Wilson gut and Babolat gut for the same price.

Can you recommend one?

Also, I string multi/poly @ 55/45 and it’s perfect. What tension should I go for with gut mains?
That’s a tough one. I was part of the Luxilon play test here almost 2 years ago. I liked it best of the 3, although I felt there was a slight ‘break in’ period.

Tension, I wouldn’t change anything at first. You may find you want to bump the poly up a few lbs to help tame the power of the gut, but stick w/ what you normally do first.
 

aaron_h27

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I can get Luxilon gut, Wilson gut and Babolat gut for the same price.

Can you recommend one?

Also, I string multi/poly @ 55/45 and it’s perfect. What tension should I go for with gut mains?
I wouldn't bother with the Wilson, Luxilon makes the Wilson gut and Luxilon has been reported to have better durability. Either go Luxilon or VS.
 
My experience is that combo was a little underwhelming at first because it doesn't have the bite initially. Once you get used to it I noticed the spin is pretty heavy but kicks in a bit later in the balls path. I also like low tensions, but just couldn't tame the power until you really go up in tension compared to the poly.
 
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