Trying to lose weight AND play competitive tennis - help!

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So I've lost about 20 lbs over the past year, and I'm getting close to my ideal weight.

I have about 10 lbs left to go, but I seem to have stalled pretty good. I can maintain my current weight no problem, but if I eat any less I simply don't have the energy to play tennis 4-5 days a week like I do. I literally started getting lightheaded and even a little dizzy, which to me always means I haven't eaten enough carbs.

Maybe it's not possible I don't know ... but I'd love to figure out a way to continue losing weight while still having enough energy to play 4-5 times a week and workout on top of that like I'm doing now.

All I can really think of is to try to eat even less on days that I don't play tennis, and maybe work on trying to improve the timing of certain meals depending on what time of the day I'm hitting or playing, etc.

I cut waaay back on carbs overall to lose the first 20 lbs. Maybe I need to move back in the other direction a little and eat less protein and fats and more carbs (while keeping the small calorie deficit I need to lose weight) in order to feel like I have more energy??

Anyone out there have any tips for me? I guess in a perfect world I'd work on losing the last 10 lbs during my off season but I live in San Diego and play year round. (Go easy, I'm not complaining!)
 
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I normally play in the morning, sometimes as early as 7:30. If it's not early it's usually between 12-2pm and on those days I eat an early light lunch and then eat another small meal/snack afterwards.
 
Try looking up a nutrition schedule on a fitness/bodybuilding forum. There has to be a balance between carbs and protein. Loosing weight isn't just cutting down on carbs.

Good luck!
 
Try looking up a nutrition schedule on a fitness/bodybuilding forum. There has to be a balance between carbs and protein. Loosing weight isn't just cutting down on carbs.

Thanks. While I haven't yet figured out the answer to my particular dilemma, I do understand more than you apparently think I know lol
 
Maybe I need to move back in the other direction a little and eat less protein and fats and more carbs (while keeping the small calorie deficit I need to lose weight) in order to feel like I have more energy??

Why not try this for a time?

Most tennis players depend on complex carbohydrates as their main energy source.

You play a lot of tennis and your weight goals are getting close enough to start transitioning to more carbs.
 
I eat lots of things on the "List of Complex Carbohydrate Food that can be Eaten Everyday" list. I just scanned it and I probably eat at least 5 of the items below on any given day. You only eat oatmeal? LOL

apples
asparagus
bagels
baked beans
bananas
beans
broccoli
brown bread
brown rice
carrots
cauliflower
chickpeas
corn
eggplant
garbanzo beans
grapefruits
kidney beans
lettuce
low fat yogurt
macaroni
multi-grain bread
oatmeal
onions
oranges
root vegetables
pastas
peas
pinto beans
potatos
soybeans
spaghetti
spinach
strawberries
sweet potatoes
whole grain cereals
whole grain flours
yams
zucchini
 
Even if what you say is true, I bet that complex carbs are never even close to your main energy source.

Do us a favor. Punch in what you eat into one of those on-line food calculator things. And see where most of your calories (carb calories) are coming from.

If most people do it honestly (and don't change their diet for a few days to "win" this little test), I can't imagine that too many people eat a majority of complex carbs. Its just really hard to believe.

But if you do, congrats. I still wouldn't say that this describes "the majority" of tennis players.

Look, it doesn't do any good to enter fantasy land every time we talk about diet and pretend that we eat perfectly. I see people eat. I know what they eat. And if you were 30+(?) pounds overweight, I'm going to bet that you didn't get that way eating too much oatmeal and sweet potatoes.
 
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You aren't skipping on breakfast are you? If you do that it can slow down your metabolic processes and so you may find it harder to burn those extra calories since your body will be less efficient. Also eating less protein should not be considered unless you are eating it in extreme quantities since the body uses up more energy digesting proteins when compared to fats and carbs. Drinking more water too will burn more calories and may help with your dizzy spells.
 
You aren't skipping on breakfast are you? If you do that it can slow down your metabolic processes and so you may find it harder to burn those extra calories since your body will be less efficient. Also eating less protein should not be considered unless you are eating it in extreme quantities since the body uses up more energy digesting proteins when compared to fats and carbs. Drinking more water too will burn more calories and may help with your dizzy spells.

This is certainly the accepted CW. Certainly, most doctors and dieticians that I've had any face to face experience with have said just that. The following studies and the interpretation from leangains.com have given me some pause from accepting this view wholesale (from http://www.leangains.com/search/label/Diet Mythology):

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Study #2

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1550038

The role of breakfast in the treatment of obesity: a randomized clinical trial.


Results: In this well-designed 12-week study, participants were habitual breakfast eaters and non-breakfast eaters, who were assigned a breakfast or non-breakfast diet. Interestingly, fat loss was greatest among ex-breakfast eaters who followed the breakfast skipping diet. This group ate lunch and supper and consumed 2/3 of their daily calorie intake at supper (6 PM or later).


In contrast, baseline breakfast skippers who were put on a breakfast diet got more favorable results than those who continued the breakfast skipping pattern. The implication of these seemingly paradoxical findings might be related to impulse-control; dysregulated eating habits, such as breakfast skipping, tend to go hand in hand with uninhibited and impulsive eating. Eating breakfast might therefore be of benefit for those with poor self-control, such as the ex-breakfast skippers in this study.



On the other hand, more favorable results were had with breakfast skipping amongst the "controlled" eaters (habitual breakfast eaters). This group would be more representative of us, meaning people who are used to count calories, follow an organized diet and not just mindlessly eat whatever is in front of us.


There were no differences between groups in regards to the weight loss composition (75% fat / 25% lean mass) or resting metabolic rate.

Interesting tidbit: The breakfast eating groups showed a slight increase in depression-induced eating whereas the subjects in the no-breakfast group showed a slight decrease. Furthermore, subjects in the breakfast group saw the diet as more restrictive than the no-breakfast group. Quote:


...the larger meal size of the no-breakfast group caused less disruption of the meal patterns and social life than did the smaller meal sizes in the breakfast condition.


Perhaps it was these favorable effects on their social life that also resulted in the no-breakfast groups showing superior compliance rates at the follow-up 6 months later (81% vs 60%).

Study #3
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9040548

Weight loss is greater with consumption of large morning meals and fat-free mass is preserved with large evening meals in women on a controlled weight reduction regimen.

Results: In this study participants alternated between two 6-week phases of the same diet of which 70% of the daily caloric intake was eaten in the morning or evening respectively. Larger morning meals caused greater weight loss compared to evening meals, but the extra weight lost was in the form of muscle mass. Overall, the larger evening meals preserved muscle mass better and resulted in a greater loss in body fat percentage.

The greater weight loss associated with the AM [morning] pattern that we found in our study was due primarily to loss of fat-free mass, which averaged about 1 kg more for the AM pattern than for the PM pattern.


An interesting study with a few glaring limitations, mainly the small sample size (10 participants) and the way body composition was measured (total body electrical conductivity, which is somewhat similar to BIA discussed in "Intermittent Fasting for Weight Loss Preserves Muscle Mass?").

This study also included weight training 3x/week, which was a serious confounder in this specific study design. Given that the PM-group consumed a greater percentage of their calorie intake post-workout, this study might simply show the benefits of nutrient timing, and not bigger PM meals per se.

AM-Setup:

Breakfast, 8-8.30 AM: 35% of total daily calorie intake
Weight training (circuit style), 9-9.30 AM
Lunch, 11-12 PM: 35%
Dinner, 4.30-5 PM: 15%
Evening snack, 8-8.30 PM: 15%

PM-Setup:


Breakfast, 8-8.30 AM: 15% of total daily calorie intake

Weight training (circuit style), 9-9.30 AM

Lunch, 11-12 PM: 15%

Dinner, 4.30-5 PM: 35%

Evening snack, 8-8.30 PM: 35%


As you can see, the PM-setup is quite similar to the "One Pre-Workout Meal" protocol of Leangains.


Finally, the researchers speculate on the muscle sparing effects of the PM-pattern:

Certain endocrine influences might have contributed to the difference in fat-free mass change between the meal patterns. Growth hormone secretion displays an endogenous rhythm that is partially linked with the sleep cycle. At night pulsatile secretion increases after 1-2 hours of sleep, with maximal secretion occurring during stages 3 and 4 of sleep.

Although the effect of prolonged changes in dietary intake or meal patterns on growth hormone release are not known, it is conceivable that a greater flux of dietary amino acids with the large evening meals, coupled with the known protein anabolic effect of growth hormone, might combine to favor deposition of lean tissue."
 
Personally I have no trouble playing tennis on a lower carb diet. FWIW I think almost no one runs a real low carb diet - its incredibly restrictive..

But here is what I would do OP. Cycle your carbs.

Tennis Day:

Meal 1: One serving each of carb (one from the acceptable source listed above) and one serving protein
Meal 2: One serving protein, one serving fat
Meal 3 (pre-workout): One serving protein, one serving carb
Meal 4 (post workout): One serving protein, one serving carb or fruit
Meal 5: One serving protein, one serving fat

Off Day:

Meal 1: One serving protein, one serving fat
Meal 2: One serving protein, one serving fat
Meal 3: One serving protein, one serving fat
Meal 4: One serving protein, one serving fat
Meal 5: One serving protein, one serving fat


Protien:

Whole eggs (preferably omega-3)
Egg whites
Lean cuts of beef
Chicken
Turkey
Wild game (venison, bison, boar, elk, etc.)
Lean cuts of pork
Greek yogurt (if dairy is well tolerated)
Cottage cheese (if dairy is well tolerated)
Whey protein powder (breakfast only on high/moderate carb days)

Carbohydrates

Sweet potatoes
rice
Gluten-free oatmeal (100% rolled oats or Irish oats)

Fats

Avocado
Raw or dry-roasted nuts (except peanuts)
Natural (100% nuts) nut butters
Olive oil
Coconut oil
Macadamia nut oil
Walnut oil
Grass-fed butter

This is adapted from the bodybuilder site:

http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/carb_cycling_for_the_noncounter

I probably go with less meals if I was trying this. But then again I don't play competitive high level tennis.

If that's too much work - try just eating a bananna before you play - its lower in fructose and higher in glucose then some other fruits.
 
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Look, it doesn't do any good to enter fantasy land every time we talk about diet and pretend that we eat perfectly. I see people eat. I know what they eat. And if you were 30+(?) pounds overweight, I'm going to bet that you didn't get that way eating too much oatmeal and sweet potatoes.

And what good does it do to make so many assumptions? What I ate over a year ago has nothing to do with what or how I eat now. You see people eat? Great. What does that have to do with me or my question? Not sure if serious or just trolling here ...

You aren't skipping on breakfast are you? If you do that it can slow down your metabolic processes and so you may find it harder to burn those extra calories since your body will be less efficient. Also eating less protein should not be considered unless you are eating it in extreme quantities since the body uses up more energy digesting proteins when compared to fats and carbs. Drinking more water too will burn more calories and may help with your dizzy spells.

Nope not skipping breakfast. I always eat a protein rich breakfast every day within 30 minutes of waking up.

I only mentioned eating less fats and protein because I can't eat MORE calories than I'm eating now, so if I'm going to increase calories from carbs I'll need to decrease calories from either fats and/or protein.

I drink at least a gallon of water a day so I think I'm good there.

Personally I have no trouble playing tennis on a lower carb diet. FWIW I think almost no one runs a real low carb diet - its incredibly restrictive..

Agreed. I'm not on a "low carb" diet, just a "lower carb" diet as compared to before.

I think my next step is going to be to eat a little more carbs on active days and less carbs and a few less calories on rest days.

And also try to eat a bare minimum in calories after dinner unless I'm playing a match early the next morning. This is sometimes hard for me because we usually eat dinner around 4 hours before I go to bed and I need to eat something else between dinner and bed. Sometimes I'll slip and eat stuff I shouldn't before bed, when I should probably restrict it to stuff like cottage cheese, nuts, etc.
 
And also try to eat a bare minimum in calories after dinner unless I'm playing a match early the next morning. This is sometimes hard for me because we usually eat dinner around 4 hours before I go to bed and I need to eat something else between dinner and bed. Sometimes I'll slip and eat stuff I shouldn't before bed, when I should probably restrict it to stuff like cottage cheese, nuts, etc.

Its pretty tough to do that. I am with ya. I find lowish carb pretty easy but going a long time without eating and/or skipping breakfast like the intermittent fasting blog guy recommends is not easy.

I think my next step is going to be to eat a little more carbs on active days and less carbs and a few less calories on rest days

Yeah carb cycling is all the rage for athletes. If you mostly chill out at home you don't really need it. But if you playing a few hours it might give you that extra boost but let you stick with your diet..

You don't want to backslide. It sounds like you are doing very well.
 
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