Tsitsipas Blacked out racket!

CiscoPC600 said:
He's lost in the first or second round of every tournament (except 1?) since that title. His former coach said he's really out of shape. And him and/or his team admitted he has back issues that are severely affecting him.

Trust me, I'm a Tsitispas fan but everything is point in the wrong direction right now. Including his on court antics.
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fair enough!
 
Chairman3 said:
The analogy was about requisite experience for a given level of job performance.
It's a big leap from charging amateur hacks for racquet consulting and doing it for a pro.
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Tsitsipas is desperate now, he'll be doing anything and everything he can to improve his performance at this point.
 
Chairman3 said:
The analogy was about requisite experience for a given level of job performance.
It's a big leap from charging amateur hacks for racquet consulting and doing it for a pro.
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i’m just saying, having been in corporate long enough, you see a lot of favoritism, likability hires, and nepotism.

for what it’s worth, jonas has had regular contact with pros for a while now through his podcast. plenty of pros have business managers that have zero management experience either.

i’m not saying this is good or not. i don’t even know how much jonas is doing for stefanos other than being a friend. just saying it’s not that novel of a thing. it just sticks out more to this group of people obsessed with tennis equipment.
 
DariaGT said:
Can you imagine how limited his Dad or anyone around Stef is when it comes to basic equipment and tuning?
Not one coach even the Poo was able to at least fix that amateur almost falling over to his left service motion.
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Raf.spin said:
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Raf.spin said:
He is not that high level player to draw conclusions and advise a pro.
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Do you think Roman Prokes has ever played at even a UTR 12 level? I'll bet TennisNerd would beat him comfortably in a match.

Yet he advises every top US pro basically. There is a space open for a high level pro that really understands racquets to be able to advise others
 
31 pages on this new racket and still months before release. Already set to out perform the shift with pro players using/trying for longer stints. Anyone got really intel on the frame, different weights/string patterns to expect? Will they truly just use the Kobra mold like old steam is now the NEW Ultra pro?
 
tennis_evan said:
31 pages on this new racket and still months before release. Already set to out perform the shift with pro players using/trying for longer stints. Anyone got really intel on the frame, different weights/string patterns to expect? Will they truly just use the Kobra mold like old steam is now the NEW Ultra pro?
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Plenty of discussion under Karen’s racquet post and new Wilson spin line post in the racquet section. Go take a look!

Not the same mold 100%. This is a new frame going through many iterations and has 8 grommet holes in the throat vs. 6 in the Kobra for the 16x20 pattern. And clearly different throat taper.

That Spanish interview with Karen’s customizer said that Karen gets 48 prototype racquets per quarter (if the translation was correct) and there were many blacked out racquets before the one you see in his hand. Usually it’s risky to switch but for Karen it was instant results, and he went to play Halle with only 1 of that black racquet with him since that’s all he had
 
Wow..48 proto types per qtr..yet using the PA98 as mentioned above.
That says slot about the 48 proto types and says alot about the PA98... Is the PA98 that good for him.. Wilson had 48 attempts per qtr.. but he ended up using the PA98 again...
Hmmm..
Perhaps the snake bite isn't venomous..
 
A_Instead said:
Wow..48 proto types per qtr..yet using the PA98 as mentioned above.
That says slot about the 48 proto types and says alot about the PA98... Is the PA98 that good for him.. Wilson had 48 attempts per qtr.. but he ended up using the PA98 again...
Hmmm..
Perhaps the snake bite isn't venomous..
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My guess is that the snake is not as explosive. Both other guys using it - Khachanov and Korda are not these wristy explosive boom players. Stef, at least on forehand, is.
 
thebigz said:
Plenty of discussion under Karen’s racquet post and new Wilson spin line post in the racquet section. Go take a look!

Not the same mold 100%. This is a new frame going through many iterations and has 8 grommet holes in the throat vs. 6 in the Kobra for the 16x20 pattern. And clearly different throat taper.

That Spanish interview with Karen’s customizer said that Karen gets 48 prototype racquets per quarter (if the translation was correct) and there were many blacked out racquets before the one you see in his hand. Usually it’s risky to switch but for Karen it was instant results, and he went to play Halle with only 1 of that black racquet with him since that’s all he had
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It's probably a misunderstanding, I've seen the vid, and speak solid Spanish. Most pros need 5x9 racquets per year, some get 5x12, like Federer

Draw your conclusions from there
 
Regardless of numbers being sent.. it sounds like PA 98 is still the choice..
Someday he will get the magic Wilson prototype.
 
cyanide43 said:
Do you think Roman Prokes has ever played at even a UTR 12 level? I'll bet TennisNerd would beat him comfortably in a match.

Yet he advises every top US pro basically. There is a space open for a high level pro that really understands racquets to be able to advise others
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Comparing Roman Prokes, who has worked with people at the top of the game for 25 years, to (AGAIN) a YouTuber is insane. These guys live on different planets when it comes to racquet/string knowledge.
 
Another perspective is..RP. NY gets paid for his professional services and advice..
I hope that the famous influencers and YT ers are getting paid directly if they are providing their advice..
 
Mischko said:
It's probably a misunderstanding, I've seen the vid, and speak solid Spanish. Most pros need 5x9 racquets per year, some get 5x12, like Federer

Draw your conclusions from there
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That tracks. Can’t trust the auto translate haha. The guy did mention a number for the amount of prototypes, did you catch what he said exactly?
 
A_Instead said:
Regardless of numbers being sent.. it sounds like PA 98 is still the choice..
Someday he will get the magic Wilson prototype.
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I was talking about Karen Khachanov using th 18x20 prototype. He’s not using a PA98. Tsitsipas on the other hand, has a lot more than the racquet that is off about this tennis
 
No, they were exchanging sentences very quickly, shortening them, common in Spain and Spanish. Perhaps he wanted to say something like 'usually I prepare 2x12 for Karen in a quarter, but now I had to make an extra 2x12' or something of that kind
 
thebigz said:
That tracks. Can’t trust the auto translate haha. The guy did mention a number for the amount of prototypes, did you catch what he said exactly?
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To clarify, Karen´s customizer first said that Karen gets 12 racquets every 3 months. Then spoke about Karen´s prototype, on how Karen sent him an audio after trying it saying he was blown away by it and went on to play Halle with just one prototype.
 
Bro just lost to Sinner 6/3 6/2, but the main issue here is he can't serve.
I mean I was watching Basilashvili today, and he served better than Tsitsipas.
With Medvedev back in some kind of form, I'm losing faith in a Tsitsipas comeback.
(he was playing with the PA98 today)
 
Raf.spin said:
Bro just lost to Sinner 6/3 6/2, but the main issue here is he can't serve.
I mean I was watching Basilashvili today, and he served better than Tsitsipas.
With Medvedev back in some kind of form, I'm losing faith in a Tsitsipas comeback.
(he was playing with the PA98 today)
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I believe he d better stick to it and learn to serve with the PA98, of course he wouldn't hit his spots as he did with blade98 18x20 but his backhand was relatively good if you take into consideration that he played with Sinner.
 
As good a racket as the PA98 is (& the EZ98) those sticks have a weird throat/beam for a OHBH that would just feel odd and difficult to adjust to.
 
GabeFSU said:
I agree that plenty can use them effectively...but it would take a little more of an adjustment of the feeling coming from a box/flat beam to an Aero/Ezone.
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You guys mean the way it feels in hand or the way it Cuts through the air? I personally prefer the ez98/aero98 in the way the throat feels in hand on the OHBH over a blade or pure strike.
 
_FrankTheTank_ said:
You guys mean the way it feels in hand or the way it Cuts through the air? I personally prefer the ez98/aero98 in the way the throat feels in hand on the OHBH over a blade or pure strike.
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personally I find the half moon shape of the blade throat is much more uncomfortable to hold than the pure aero one. Aeros are quite rounded out these days with nice contour.
 
Chairman3 said:
That will be the ultimate con when Wilson starts painting the PA98 that Tsitsipas is using to look like their new spin frame.
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A real Yunlop situation. That being said I think he is high profile enough to warrant lawsuits and fussing from Babolat. He is not some top 400 WTA futures/challenger player painting her Yonex like a Dunlop
 
What's the reasoning of releasing the Python in October? Does it take that long to develop the frame? October seems like a dead time, after the majors and too early for holidays. Seems like the iron is hot now and might prevent further defections.
 
anfield said:
What's the reasoning of releasing the Python in October? Does it take that long to develop the frame? October seems like a dead time, after the majors and too early for holidays. Seems like the iron is hot now and might prevent further defections.
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I was wondering the same thing. The only reason I can come up with is they don't want to compete with all the other early releases. And instead chose a release date that makes it the singular focus of the market.
 
I think october was from some interview from Thijs Boogaard during the orange bowl. I think he may have just been flustered and not thinking about what he said. He also noted that it was 315 before the lead but all prototype samples i've seen and measured have all been well below that, 299-300g.

BTW still loving the python =p.
 
Maybe thesy
anfield said:
What's the reasoning of releasing the Python in October? Does it take that long to develop the frame? October seems like a dead time, after the majors and too early for holidays. Seems like the iron is hot now and might prevent further defections.
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Maybe first prototypes of this racket wasnt good enough and they need to work more on in.
Wilson players switching to Ezones and Aeros instead of new Wilson power/spin frame can be indication of that
 
Passingshot78 said:
Maybe thesy

Maybe first prototypes of this racket wasnt good enough and they need to work more on in.
Wilson players switching to Ezones and Aeros instead of new Wilson power/spin frame can be indication of that
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Given the cardboard insert on the prototypes sent to influencers said July on it which would line up with the Ultra V5 launch in 2025, and a teenager said October... I would say July and October is just a game of telephone/chinese whispers - pros will play with prototypes and pure custom frames whenever they want - so pros switching or not is not indicative of a release date for retail, but yes, there will be tweaking based on the prototype for retail in terms of weighting/balance etc... but yeah, while they are avoiding the Aero and Vcore launches, they arent going to launch something new they want to succeed after the slams - US Open is the latest this will launch
 
aus89 said:
Given the cardboard insert on the prototypes sent to influencers said July on it which would line up with the Ultra V5 launch in 2025, and a teenager said October... I would say July and October is just a game of telephone/chinese whispers - pros will play with prototypes and pure custom frames whenever they want - so pros switching or not is not indicative of a release date for retail, but yes, there will be tweaking based on the prototype for retail in terms of weighting/balance etc... but yeah, while they are avoiding the Aero and Vcore launches, they arent going to launch something new they want to succeed after the slams - US Open is the latest this will launch
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Pros switching or not is not indicative of release date.

Its other way round- Unknown date of release and pros choosing frames of different manfacturers (like Tsitsipas playing blackout aero with Wilson stencil instead of blackout phyton) may indicate the new wilson frame doesnt meet expectations in its current form
 
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