Tsitsipas Blacked out racket!

FlatShot_V said:
It’s not too late to get back to the level that got him to 2 slam finals and top 3
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Don't think he'd touch top 3 again even if he could get back to his level from 5 years ago. Because there are a bunch of young guys now who are either already as good/better than he ever was or are soon going to be. And the book on him is well and truly out.
 
McGradey said:
Don't think he'd touch top 3 again even if he could get back to his level from 5 years ago. Because there are a bunch of young guys now who are either already as good/better than he ever was or are soon going to be. And the book on him is well and truly out.
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He might not but zverev is up there he might as well be. I’d be happy to see him play on that level again, be it top 5, 10 or 20
 
TennisD said:
It honestly makes sense that he'd be better suited to a higher swingweight when you look at his game, both in terms of strengths and where he struggles; the higher SW is going to give him a more solid ball off both sides (heavier from better compression/push-through vs pure spin) and also allows him to redirect better off big balls coming his way. Personally I think a lot of 'top' guys could benefit from a higher swingweight for quality/depth but I think when they're looking at pure metrics (spin rate, etc...) the results with a slightly lower SW/slightly higher racquet speed look better on paper.
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pretty sure have tried high SW. and if you have seen Stefanos play in real life, you can probably see that his strokes on the forehand especially is a much longer stroke that what appears on TV.

He would benefit more from lower swingweight than higher if anything for timing and racquet head speed with longer strokes.

The thing about playing higher SW than what you are used to is that, all the benefits you mentioned only exists on paper. In practice lower SW gives you more option to manipulate the ball and more creative shot makings outside ideal positions especially. I’m finding for my game and for many younger gen players that the lowest SW where you have enough stability for the level you play against is the most optimal. Also, the higher racquet speed also compensates for stability with lighter sticks
 
thebigz said:
pretty sure have tried high SW. and if you have seen Stefanos play in real life, you can probably see that his strokes on the forehand especially is a much longer stroke that what appears on TV.

He would benefit more from lower swingweight than higher if anything for timing and racquet head speed with longer strokes.

The thing about playing higher SW than what you are used to is that, all the benefits you mentioned only exists on paper. In practice lower SW gives you more option to manipulate the ball and more creative shot makings outside ideal positions especially. I’m finding for my game and for many younger gen players that the lowest SW where you have enough stability for the level you play against is the most optimal. Also, the higher racquet speed also compensates for stability with lighter sticks
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1) Longer strokes benefit more from higher swingweight: compression = heavier ball. This is not really like...a question or up for debate, it's a fact. It also does explain why a lot of younger players don't necessarily go to or grow up with higher SW, they tend not to lengthen out their strokes quite as much as 'classic' technique, relying more on RPM for weight. Not necessarily saying one or the other is the correct approach per se, their are different ways to create a heavy ball but when it comes to longer strokes you're definitely wanting more swingweight, not less.
2) Your own experience with lower swingweight is what it is but it doesn't universally give you more options to manipulate the ball or be "more creative". That has literally nothing to do with swingweight other than what works for your game/stroke path and other factors.
3) Racquet head speed absolutely does not "compensate for stability", see the agonizing people here do over twistweight lol.

Not saying your experience isn't correct for you but you're projecting something onto someone with totally different needs.
 
TennisD said:
1) Longer strokes benefit more from higher swingweight: compression = heavier ball. This is not really like...a question or up for debate, it's a fact. It also does explain why a lot of younger players don't necessarily go to or grow up with higher SW, they tend not to lengthen out their strokes quite as much as 'classic' technique, relying more on RPM for weight. Not necessarily saying one or the other is the correct approach per se, their are different ways to create a heavy ball but when it comes to longer strokes you're definitely wanting more swingweight, not less.
2) Your own experience with lower swingweight is what it is but it doesn't universally give you more options to manipulate the ball or be "more creative". That has literally nothing to do with swingweight other than what works for your game/stroke path and other factors.
3) Racquet head speed absolutely does not "compensate for stability", see the agonizing people here do over twistweight lol.

Not saying your experience isn't correct for you but you're projecting something onto someone with totally different needs.
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Dieter Calle on Racquet Customization

You would have to make a better case to argue against one of the most legendary racquet technicians working today - Dieter Calle of Tecnifibre. He explains here the challenge of customizing for the modern game - longer forehand that benefits from lighter specs, with shorter more compact backhands that likes mass.

What Dieter said match up to my experience speaking to other players outside my own game style and level as well.

If what your saying is true about racquet head speed, then the ATP pros using sub 330 swingweight (there are many of them now, although not the majority) would have no chance handling the pace at the highest level when rec players on here are screaming they need 330 SW to have enough stability. Plenty of players using stock Aero 98 2023 on tour or top of the college game now, playing against very heavy balls.
 
thebigz said:
Dieter Calle on Racquet Customization

You would have to make a better case to argue against one of the most legendary racquet technicians working today - Dieter Calle of Tecnifibre. He explains here the challenge of customizing for the modern game - longer forehand that benefits from lighter specs, with shorter more compact backhands that likes mass.

What Dieter said match up to my experience speaking to other players outside my own game style and level as well.

If what your saying is true about racquet head speed, then the ATP pros using sub 330 swingweight (there are many of them now, although not the majority) would have no chance handling the pace at the highest level when rec players on here are screaming they need 330 SW to have enough stability. Plenty of players using stock Aero 98 2023 on tour or top of the college game now, playing against very heavy balls.
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What I would say is Tsitsi could maybe benefit from something more like Henin - a lighter racquet with a more even/head heavy balance. I would be interested to see how he did with the Ultra Tour 98 for sure.
 
thebigz said:
Dieter Calle on Racquet Customization

You would have to make a better case to argue against one of the most legendary racquet technicians working today - Dieter Calle of Tecnifibre. He explains here the challenge of customizing for the modern game - longer forehand that benefits from lighter specs, with shorter more compact backhands that likes mass.

What Dieter said match up to my experience speaking to other players outside my own game style and level as well.

If what your saying is true about racquet head speed, then the ATP pros using sub 330 swingweight (there are many of them now, although not the majority) would have no chance handling the pace at the highest level when rec players on here are screaming they need 330 SW to have enough stability. Plenty of players using stock Aero 98 2023 on tour or top of the college game now, playing against very heavy balls.
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Not really arguing against Dieter here, nor do I think you're maybe correctly parsing what he's saying and demonstrating, and I would also point out that we're defining "longer" strokes a bit differently which is where the disconnect may stem from; what Dieter (and you) is referring to as a "longer" stroke has more to do with rhythm/cadence of the takeback (again not disagreeing) vs what I'm talking about with players like Tsitsipas (and Novak, for example, who also plays a higher swingweight, along with Murray who he mentions there) is about length through the hitting zone and follow through, which most "modern" forehands in younger gen players are actually lacking vs the "old" style. What Dieter is also pointing out with the example there is that the "shorter" stroke is benefiting from a more polarized setup which allows the racquet head to be forced around slightly quicker vs a more evenly-weighted (though still potentially headlight) setup which can still allow for high RHS but has stability and plow-through, which favour a longer stroke/hitting zone as I'm referring to, and which you see in Tsitsipas (as an example again) on both sides.

Racquet head speed itself absolutely does not make up for lower weight and stability; it can mask that deficit when the ball is in a place where you can best use your body to brace/absorb the faster ball speed, and the ATP pros you're referring to can overcome that deficit a bit (but not always and not always enough) because they have superior strength/stability at the very extents of their reach and muscle elasticity, but again even players with superior strength vs their contemporaries (again, just look at Novak) can still benefit from the added stability and compression of a higher SW. Again not arguing with Dieter her, but it's a simple fact that more mass behind the ball creates more stability, especially when reaching or with suboptimal impacts, let alone when a player has time to set up, get the racquet moving, and full swing through the ball with a longer hitting zone. It's definitely complicated in the sense that getting a setup right for a given player is hard and there's math involved but more weight = more compression is not rocket surgery per se.
 
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His mom gave an interview where she analyzed his relationships. Idk but that was embarrassing.
The guy is completely controlled by his parents it seems. Even more than we think.
 
I'm surprised it's not brought up here but the philosopher isn't the only player struggling with frames right now. Humbert has alternated from Speed (Indian Wells), Blade (Miami, Monte Carlo), Speed (Madrid), and back to Blade for Rome. Pretty crazy.
 
heavyD said:
I'm surprised it's not brought up here but the philosopher isn't the only player struggling with frames right now. Humbert has alternated from Speed (Indian Wells), Blade (Miami, Monte Carlo), Speed (Madrid), and back to Blade for Rome. Pretty crazy.
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You’d think us rec players would learn from the pros that it’s not the wand, but the wizard.

It seems the hype over rackets with a little more free power and spin has even taken a strangle of the tour.
 
heavyD said:
I'm surprised it's not brought up here but the philosopher isn't the only player struggling with frames right now. Humbert has alternated from Speed (Indian Wells), Blade (Miami, Monte Carlo), Speed (Madrid), and back to Blade for Rome. Pretty crazy.
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Blade is a frame you can't live with, but you can't live without.
 
heavyD said:
I'm surprised it's not brought up here but the philosopher isn't the only player struggling with frames right now. Humbert has alternated from Speed (Indian Wells), Blade (Miami, Monte Carlo), Speed (Madrid), and back to Blade for Rome. Pretty crazy.
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It's possible he's trying Blade 100s/Blade Pro 100s, I havent really looked closely enough to see what he's tinkering with
 
He's switching to an Ultra?

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Vs Giovanni just today, at 8-8 in the tiebreak, after winning the point and giving himself his 6th matchpoint, after having lead 6-3 in the same tiebreak, Stef loudly exclaimed, to his camp: "THE SWINGWEIGHT THE SWINGWEIGHT!! PAME!!"

His bh return was really good btw, won him first break right at the start
 
GSlam2025 said:
Its the V7 , the legal team at wilson involved will have got the marketing team to provide stef an opportunity to use the new PJ and also a look at a contract renewal. Win win
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He 100% does not play with a V7. Even if his pro stock was made with a V7 mold (which it isn't) it still wouldn't be a V7, it would be a pro stock.
 
He's playing with retail stock 18x20 V10 Blades. He has 12 of them, not matched.

"The QC is so bad, all the differences in weight and balance from each racket are for him to adapt to the conditions and to the opponent" has declared his brother Petros.

"It's really all about the backhand" added father Apostolos. "We couldn't figure out how to fix his backhand technically, so we adopted the idea of different rackets so he's got one to feel comfortable on the backhand. I was really proud of myself for having found that technique. Let's go"
 
sebash said:
He's playing with retail stock 18x20 V10 Blades. He has 12 of them, not matched.

"The QC is so bad, all the differences in weight and balance from each racket are for him to adapt to the conditions and to the opponent" has declared his brother Petros.

"It's really all about the backhand" added father Apostolos. "We couldn't figure out how to fix his backhand technically, so we adopted the idea of different rackets so he's got one to feel comfortable on the backhand. I was really proud of myself for having found that technique. Let's go"
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I can’t tell if this is trolling or not.
 
sebash said:
He's playing with retail stock 18x20 V10 Blades. He has 12 of them, not matched.

"The QC is so bad, all the differences in weight and balance from each racket are for him to adapt to the conditions and to the opponent" has declared his brother Petros.

"It's really all about the backhand" added father Apostolos. "We couldn't figure out how to fix his backhand technically, so we adopted the idea of different rackets so he's got one to feel comfortable on the backhand. I was really proud of myself for having found that technique. Let's go"
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Is this a joke?
 
pbb said:
Vs Giovanni just today, at 8-8 in the tiebreak, after winning the point and giving himself his 6th matchpoint, after having lead 6-3 in the same tiebreak, Stef loudly exclaimed, to his camp: "THE SWINGWEIGHT THE SWINGWEIGHT!! PAME!!"

His bh return was really good btw, won him first break right at the start
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LMAO
 
sebash said:
He's playing with retail stock 18x20 V10 Blades. He has 12 of them, not matched.

"The QC is so bad, all the differences in weight and balance from each racket are for him to adapt to the conditions and to the opponent" has declared his brother Petros.

"It's really all about the backhand" added father Apostolos. "We couldn't figure out how to fix his backhand technically, so we adopted the idea of different rackets so he's got one to feel comfortable on the backhand. I was really proud of myself for having found that technique. Let's go"
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Imagine feeling proud for such bs
 
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