Tsitsipas Clay Schedule

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Ray Mercer

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I just read that his schedule includes Monte Carlo, Estoril, Barcelona, Rome, Madrid and the French. Is it me or does that not seem like a ridiculous schedule? I know these guys want to maximize their earnings but taking the volume approach seems unwise. If he cuts back on volume he should be able to stay fresher and earn similar overall revenue by going deeper in the tournaments.
 
raph6 said:
Tsitsipas is always playing a lot. I think he was the played who played the most tournaments last year and this year he already did Hopman Cup - Sydney - Australian Open - Sofia - Rotterdam - Marseille - Dubai - Indian Wells - Miami
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Holy **** that is STACKED. However, this doesn't necessarily translate into an insane number of matches simply on account of early exits. He's played 24 matches since Hopman (which is still quite a lot tbh), compared to Roger's 21, as an example. Still... A lot of travel! No doubt he'd trim that schedule down if he was going deep consistently, which he likely will in the future.
 
Ray Mercer said:
I just read that his schedule includes Monte Carlo, Estoril, Barcelona, Rome, Madrid and the French. Is it me or does that not seem like a ridiculous schedule? I know these guys want to maximize their earnings but taking the volume approach seems unwise. If he cuts back on volume he should be able to stay fresher and earn similar overall revenue by going deeper in the tournaments.
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As some posers above said, he probably doesn't expect to go deep in most of them.

Also, if this schedule of 6 tournaments is as you say 'ridiculous' (it is!), then how about 5 tournaments in the same span where the player is almost guaranteed to go deep in all of them? (Nadal ;))

The first player is 20yrs old, and the second player is almost 33yrs old. :unsure:
 
whats to figure? he treats tournaments as paid practice sessions. pretty sharp from a money standpoint. he's 22, if he works it right he could retire at 24 and be set for life. maybe he's one of the few who thinks he has the smarts to have a life after tennis, without the ATP bull----.
 
texasleaguer said:
whats to figure? he treats tournaments as paid practice sessions. pretty sharp from a money standpoint. he's 22, if he works it right he could retire at 24 and be set for life. maybe he's one of the few who thinks he has the smarts to have a life after tennis, without the ATP bull----.
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Winning a single Major will bring him more money than reaching the SF of all these tournaments put together.

8-)
 
texasleaguer said:
whats to figure? he treats tournaments as paid practice sessions. pretty sharp from a money standpoint. he's 22, if he works it right he could retire at 24 and be set for life. maybe he's one of the few who thinks he has the smarts to have a life after tennis, without the ATP bull----.
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You're ageing him prematurely. Tsitsipas is 20. He doesn't need to chase money. That looks after itself for top 10 players.
 
It's a bit packed but on the other hand Stef is still only 20 so he recovers very fast.

Nevertheless I think one event less (probably Estoril) would be just fine too.
 
Cmon, at that age we were all running around playing tennis or soccer all day, and this guy is a professional, so it should be no problem.
 
Red Rick said:
I believe we've been able to establish Tsitsipas is braindead a while ago.

He's played literally every possible week so far and was playing doubles in a buuunch of the tournaments too. Even was in the dubs finals in Miami.
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But... His mind is in tune with the music of bollocks or whatever his latest crock of sh*t is.
 
I think if playing that much makes you match tough and means that you can dial back the amount of necessary practice then I see no issue with it.

In Federer's interview with PMAC etc., after his Miami win he said he'd been playing everyday for 4 weeks and his body was screaming for a break.

We actually know the number of matches in a 28 day period was only 12, more if you include Dubai, but then you have more days as well.

The point is that - at Fed's age to have timing, and body maintenance it was a chore. He had a to hit everyday for that entire stretch.

Perhaps by playing more matches Tsitsipas doesn't need as much court time practicing and therefore the overall wear and tear isn't any higher.

I'm just speculating and rambling though.
 
I think that kind of volume is only going to wear you down especially considering the jet lag from all the travel. You also open yourself up to a confidence hit if he arrives tired and loses in the early rounds to some journeymen. At his ranking he should be targeting winning Masters events.
 
Tsitsipas has also said he is going to play doubles at all big events

Seems excessive to me overall even though he may lose early couple of events
 
Tsitsipas grew up as a grinder on clay. And when I say grinder I mean literally just pushing and playing 10 feet behind the baseline.
 
It's only his 2nd full year on tour, right? It's not uncommon for players in that position to play as many tournaments as possible. If things work out in his favor he could replace AZ in the year end top 5.
 
He really needs to step back and prioritize. He's won a couple of titles, gone deep in a slam, is top 10. Needs to structure his schedule around the masters and slams now instead of chasing 250s.
 
Qubax said:
I think if playing that much makes you match tough and means that you can dial back the amount of necessary practice then I see no issue with it.

In Federer's interview with PMAC etc., after his Miami win he said he'd been playing everyday for 4 weeks and his body was screaming for a break.

We actually know the number of matches in a 28 day period was only 12, more if you include Dubai, but then you have more days as well.

The point is that - at Fed's age to have timing, and body maintenance it was a chore. He had a to hit everyday for that entire stretch.

Perhaps by playing more matches Tsitsipas doesn't need as much court time practicing and therefore the overall wear and tear isn't any higher.

I'm just speculating and rambling though.
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You make some good points. However, for Tsits, the added issues are travel time, jet lag, booking hotels, etc. Fedr's practices are very 'relaxed', not like the rigors of live matches. Also, Fedr was only in 2 locations for the 28 days you mentioned (Sunshine Double), while Tsits will be in 6 different locations, for 7 weeks total :eek:. He's young, so he may recover, but from what I've seen so far, stamina is not yet his forte (he complained about fatigue recently... after a loss of course ;) ).

It's a lot, but he probably won't go deep in all of them, so it'll likely just balance itself out.
 
FedGR said:
Nope, that simply isn't true. You can also tell by the way he plays now.
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Ok... if you say so.

I guess I better take your word on it instead of Greek players I personally know who grew up playing with him and his brother and dad in Greece.
 
MasturB said:
Ok... if you say so.

I guess I better take your word on it instead of Greek players I personally know who grew up playing with him and his brother and dad in Greece.
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You know, it happens that I am Greek as well, have competed nationally, and might know a thing or two about Stefanos. Stefanos comes to the net more often than anybody of the young generation and always goes for big winner/short points. But I guess yeah the Greek players that you know see a defensive grinder in Stefanos.
 
My friend went to a party with Tsitsipas and he said.....
Tsitsipas doesn't go to parties. Nobody invites him. He doesn't have any friends.
 
FedGR said:
You know, it happens that I am Greek as well, have competed nationally, and might know a thing or two about Stefanos. Stefanos comes to the net more often than anybody of the young generation and always goes for big winner/short points. But I guess yeah the Greek players that you know see a defensive grinder in Stefanos.
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They said he used to play deep from the baseline a lot and just get every ball back, hence why he can play such great defense and cover the court so well for his size and height.

They also told me he never took fitness off court seriously until the last 2 years.

Just because he goes to the net at a fair margin now doesn't mean he didn't used to play far behind the baseline either growing up.
 
MasturB said:
They said he used to play deep from the baseline a lot and just get every ball back, hence why he can play such great defense and cover the court so well for his size and height.

They also told me he never took fitness off court seriously until the last 2 years.

Just because he goes to the net at a fair margin now doesn't mean he didn't used to play far behind the baseline either growing up.
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What made him change styles then.
 
Ray Mercer said:
I just read that his schedule includes Monte Carlo, Estoril, Barcelona, Rome, Madrid and the French. Is it me or does that not seem like a ridiculous schedule? I know these guys want to maximize their earnings but taking the volume approach seems unwise. If he cuts back on volume he should be able to stay fresher and earn similar overall revenue by going deeper in the tournaments.
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It's probably less about $ than it is about repetition: getting as much experience as possible while acclimatizing to the grind of top-level scheduling.
 
I'm starting to get a faint whiff of desperation from *********, just like Zverev. Looking for love in all the wrong places, confusing activity, money and points for progress.

These boys need to sit down, calm down, have a bit of a think about it and go to work on their bodies so they can saddle up for the slams. Hiring a big time coach does not a big time player make. Hiring an absolute son of a bortch trainer is probably a better place to start. Look at how Fraud and Noel transformed themselves between 20 and 25.
 
MasturB said:
They said he used to play deep from the baseline a lot and just get every ball back, hence why he can play such great defense and cover the court so well for his size and height.

They also told me he never took fitness off court seriously until the last 2 years.

Just because he goes to the net at a fair margin now doesn't mean he didn't used to play far behind the baseline either growing up.
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Well, yes he used to play on clay and of course because of the higher bounce of the ball, everybody stays a bit extra behind the baseline. That doesn't make him a defensive grinder though. Nor did he convert from a defensive grinder that he used to be his whole life to an attacking all-courter that he is now in a year or two.

Anyways, it doesn't really matter. I hope he gets his $heet together, both attitude wise and also in terms of proper scheduling.
 
yokied said:
I'm starting to get a faint whiff of desperation from *********, just like Zverev. Looking for love in all the wrong places, confusing activity, money and points for progress.

These boys need to sit down, calm down, have a bit of a think about it and go to work on their bodies so they can saddle up for the slams. Hiring a big time coach does not a big time player make. Hiring an absolute son of a bortch trainer is probably a better place to start. Look at how Fraud and Noel transformed themselves between 20 and 25.
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Agree with a lot of this but there's a clear difference between the two kids when it comes to slam. Tsitsipas shows up.
 
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