Tsitsipas needs to beat Nadal

Nadal is going to DESTROY Tsitsi.

Novak is going to absolutely CRUSH Pouille.

These ATG’s are almost playing a different sport when you get to this stage in a slam.

Someday they will fade. As Fed is starting to.

But this is not the day.

No chance for those challengers. They are not even playing close to 2014 USO Cilic level. Which was “redline at every shot”. He played some of the best tennis ever played. And he never could again.

They are essentially going to the slaughterhouse.

Out in straights for both.

NEXT!
 
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and Rafael hadn't made a Wimbledon QF since 2011:)
and it was indoor grass, so even less help for Rafael.
as for hardcourt, they are 2-2 at hardcourt slams, and Djokovic needed 6 hours for that AO win....
Well, we will probably get the answer:). I just disagree on surface advantage, which their record at AO clearly shows.
 
By that reasoning Pouille must beat Djoko as well.

I kinda agree but not a lot, specially this statement:

"A win for Stefanos is a win for tennis"

Nope. Tennis as a concept isn't devalued because one or other player wins or not.

Is Tsitsipas wins it will be good for him and perhaps he will dominate a new generation.

But if he doesn't that means Legends are legends for some reason and that by itself is extremely admirable, and that is good too.

In other words, if Tsitsi wants to win, he has to play well, not say that he deserves to win because he's young.
 
Nadal in 4 sets and pouille is not afraid of the djoker, so you never know what will happen in the second semifinal.
About the op, you're a cynic talking about the age when his idol is over 31 and his rival is at its peak.
A victory for Lucas is a victory for tennis, life must continue.
 
I've said this exact thing before (in fact I copy pasted sections of this thread from last year's discussion about Chung) and it amazes me that, even now in 2019, a year later, nothing much has changed.


Rafa Nadal is 32. He's now one of the oldest top players in history. He won the French Open last year and stayed #1 until the end. He's going strong as ever. Murray has likely lost his battle to injury, and Federer is fighting an uphill battle to stay at the top. Djokovic is still playing his best, but he's still prone to upsets, and the young generation is catching up to him.
A generation of 30+ players should not be favored to win titles anymore. Even the players who were in the past (Connors, Agassi, Laver) didn't win majors this long, and were few and far between. There is no new generation stepping up yet to take the mantle, which is why the ATP is desperately trying to prop the young players up. Zverev is the only player his age in the top 10, although Tsitsipas is getting close, but even Zverev hasn't made it past a Slam QF.
The Big 3 are all legends. I still admire and root for Djokovic. A Djokodal final here would be a historic match. The hype will always be there until they retire.
But at this age that's what they should be. Legends. The fact that they're still around only adds to the mythos around them, but it also says that the sport isn't developing. The tour, and TTW, have descended into a grim uncertainty about the future of tennis. For the first time in tennis history, there is no Grand Slam winner in their prime. Cilic is 30 now, and his consistency is starting to fade. Murray is retiring this year. Federer isn't the consistency machine he once was. Wawrinka is fading. Nadal's V8 engine is slowly but surely getting worn out, the price paid for pushing himself to the limit every year. Del Potro is unpredictable and a nostalgic favorite, but the injuries and age have taken a toll on even him. And Djokovic....even Superman isn't eternal.

Life must go on. So must tennis.
If Tsitsipas beats Nadal, that's a step in the right direction. Don't get me wrong, I don't want to see Nadal get injured or something. But the Big 3 aren't getting any better at this age. The first conqueror was Stan, who showed the big 4 that they were beatable. But he was just one man, in his late career. A new generation, one made up of younger, more consistent, more driven players must rise.

A win for Stefanos is a win for tennis.
well put. It really feels overdue for some changeup at the top. No slam winners under 30 is frankly ridiculous.

Of course, like most I have my sentimental oldie favorites that I like to see win, but upon taking a step back it's not hard to admit that a few new faces would be good for the general health of the game. And of course, it will come eventually, but it's funny how we've basically been predicting and asking for the transition for a good five years' time already.

Tsitsipas shouldn't win because it's good for the game: he should win because he was better on the day.

Tennis is a meritocracy: if you win, it's because you deserved it.

way to read uncharitably / beyond the point.

OP isn't saying anything to the effect that Tsitsipas should be handed the victory without earning it.
 
I've said this exact thing before (in fact I copy pasted sections of this thread from last year's discussion about Chung) and it amazes me that, even now in 2019, a year later, nothing much has changed.


Rafa Nadal is 32. He's now one of the oldest top players in history. He won the French Open last year and stayed #1 until the end. He's going strong as ever. Murray has likely lost his battle to injury, and Federer is fighting an uphill battle to stay at the top. Djokovic is still playing his best, but he's still prone to upsets, and the young generation is catching up to him.
A generation of 30+ players should not be favored to win titles anymore. Even the players who were in the past (Connors, Agassi, Laver) didn't win majors this long, and were few and far between. There is no new generation stepping up yet to take the mantle, which is why the ATP is desperately trying to prop the young players up. Zverev is the only player his age in the top 10, although Tsitsipas is getting close, but even Zverev hasn't made it past a Slam QF.
The Big 3 are all legends. I still admire and root for Djokovic. A Djokodal final here would be a historic match. The hype will always be there until they retire.
But at this age that's what they should be. Legends. The fact that they're still around only adds to the mythos around them, but it also says that the sport isn't developing. The tour, and TTW, have descended into a grim uncertainty about the future of tennis. For the first time in tennis history, there is no Grand Slam winner in their prime. Cilic is 30 now, and his consistency is starting to fade. Murray is retiring this year. Federer isn't the consistency machine he once was. Wawrinka is fading. Nadal's V8 engine is slowly but surely getting worn out, the price paid for pushing himself to the limit every year. Del Potro is unpredictable and a nostalgic favorite, but the injuries and age have taken a toll on even him. And Djokovic....even Superman isn't eternal.

Life must go on. So must tennis.
If Tsitsipas beats Nadal, that's a step in the right direction. Don't get me wrong, I don't want to see Nadal get injured or something. But the Big 3 aren't getting any better at this age. The first conqueror was Stan, who showed the big 4 that they were beatable. But he was just one man, in his late career. A new generation, one made up of younger, more consistent, more driven players must rise.

A win for Stefanos is a win for tennis.
Pouille needs to beat Djokovic, actually. #FightBoredom.
 
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I've said this exact thing before (in fact I copy pasted sections of this thread from last year's discussion about Chung) and it amazes me that, even now in 2019, a year later, nothing much has changed.


Rafa Nadal is 32. He's now one of the oldest top players in history. He won the French Open last year and stayed #1 until the end. He's going strong as ever. Murray has likely lost his battle to injury, and Federer is fighting an uphill battle to stay at the top. Djokovic is still playing his best, but he's still prone to upsets, and the young generation is catching up to him.
A generation of 30+ players should not be favored to win titles anymore. Even the players who were in the past (Connors, Agassi, Laver) didn't win majors this long, and were few and far between. There is no new generation stepping up yet to take the mantle, which is why the ATP is desperately trying to prop the young players up. Zverev is the only player his age in the top 10, although Tsitsipas is getting close, but even Zverev hasn't made it past a Slam QF.
The Big 3 are all legends. I still admire and root for Djokovic. A Djokodal final here would be a historic match. The hype will always be there until they retire.
But at this age that's what they should be. Legends. The fact that they're still around only adds to the mythos around them, but it also says that the sport isn't developing. The tour, and TTW, have descended into a grim uncertainty about the future of tennis. For the first time in tennis history, there is no Grand Slam winner in their prime. Cilic is 30 now, and his consistency is starting to fade. Murray is retiring this year. Federer isn't the consistency machine he once was. Wawrinka is fading. Nadal's V8 engine is slowly but surely getting worn out, the price paid for pushing himself to the limit every year. Del Potro is unpredictable and a nostalgic favorite, but the injuries and age have taken a toll on even him. And Djokovic....even Superman isn't eternal.

Life must go on. So must tennis.
If Tsitsipas beats Nadal, that's a step in the right direction. Don't get me wrong, I don't want to see Nadal get injured or something. But the Big 3 aren't getting any better at this age. The first conqueror was Stan, who showed the big 4 that they were beatable. But he was just one man, in his late career. A new generation, one made up of younger, more consistent, more driven players must rise.

A win for Stefanos is a win for tennis.


I disagree. This is the end of the golden age of tennis IMO and I think people will realize how much they miss this era and the big 3 when it's gone and I for one am not in any rush to move that along. Just enjoy it. In fact this resurgence is exactly what drew me to this message board despite being a tennis fan for 30 years I never looked to post but I started to remind myself to savor every minute of what's left of the big 3 and wanted to talk about it.

I see it paralleling NBA basketball of the late 90's. Just like with the Jordan Bulls, having a dynastic superstars team dominating drives popularity and viewers and at this point I think no mater when they leave tennis will take a big hit like the NBA did post Jordan and his generation. You look at the NBA at that time and all the stars were old too, with many of the top 10 players in their mid 30's like Jordan and Malone still winning MVP's going to finals Olajuwon etc. It was actually a weaker time talent wise IMO but one of the heights of it's popularity. I want to see every bit of what is left I can.
 
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In the interest of maintaining peace, prosperity and harmony for all mankind, Tsitsipas must surrender his own aspirations to greatness and bow to the revered bull pacifier.
 
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A generation of 30+ players should not be favored to win titles anymore.

This.

But I've said it once, and I'll say it again: The Big-3 reign is in its final act. Many don't think so with Djokovic and Nadal favored to win the AO, but even if one does, the rest of the year will play out similar to Federer's 2010.
 
This.

But I've said it once, and I'll say it again: The Big-3 reign is in its final act. Many don't think so with Djokovic and Nadal favored to win the AO, but even if one does, the rest of the year will play out similar to Federer's 2010.

maybe after RG. I still have Nadal for the French Open, but for Wimby, I partially agree - there could be a new winner.
 
Legitimate question; why is the theme 'Tsitsipas needs to beat Nadal'' and not ''Pouille needs to beat Djokovic'' or both if we are being consistent with the message ''We need a Tsitsipas v Pouille final''?

Or is it just Rafa that needs to lose so Djoker can have an easier run through the rest of the tournament?
 
if you can't beat Rafael on indoor grass (and when Rafael wasn't even serving great), good luck on hardcourt:)
i just hope Djokovic takes a set so its at least suspenseful.

Even better I just hope Djokovic takes 3 sets. Be careful with the cockiness and what you wish for. You know last time they played at RG Nadal didn't win a set, so good luck at the AO right?


[QUOTE="Heidi4tennis, post: 13055897, member: 763691"and Djokovic is only 5 wins and 9 losses vs Rafael at the slams:
AO = 1-0
RG = 1-6
Wim = 2-1
USO = 1-2
Rafael's service holds were mostly long baseline rallies, not many free points, only 9 aces in 30 service games.
Rafael hit 11 aces in that little win over Tiafoe:)[/QUOTE]

Hmm those 7 matches at Nadal's favourite slam look a little mismatched with that 1 meeting at Djokovic's favourite slam...
 
Even better I just hope Djokovic takes 3 sets. Be careful with the cockiness and what you wish for. You know last time they played at RG Nadal didn't win a set, so good luck at the AO right?


[QUOTE="Heidi4tennis, post: 13055897, member: 763691"and Djokovic is only 5 wins and 9 losses vs Rafael at the slams:
AO = 1-0
RG = 1-6
Wim = 2-1
USO = 1-2
Rafael's service holds were mostly long baseline rallies, not many free points, only 9 aces in 30 service games.
Rafael hit 11 aces in that little win over Tiafoe:)

Hmm those 7 matches at Nadal's favourite slam look a little mismatched with that 1 meeting at Djokovic's favourite slam...[/QUOTE]
How did Nadal get the edge at USO and Djokovic get the edge at Wimby? Logic dictates it should be the other way round.
 
How did Nadal get the edge at USO and Djokovic get the edge at Wimby? Logic dictates it should be the other way round.

Logic dictates Djokovic should lead at both. I think it's timing really, played Nadal at both in 2011 when Nole was unbeatable. Dunno how he won last year but really Nadal had been way past his best at Wimbledon for years so dunno how he even made the semis. USO Djokovic should have won in 2013, he blew the 3rd set. But Nadal played great, had the better form. Nadal played great in 2010 and Nole reached the final somehow in one of his worst years. But In Nadal's worst years he was losing to Fognini and pouille not reaching Djokovic who's made 8 finals Nadal has only made the USO final in great form with the exception of 2017 where I didn't think he was at his best
 
Legitimate question; why is the theme 'Tsitsipas needs to beat Nadal'' and not ''Pouille needs to beat Djokovic'' or both if we are being consistent with the message ''We need a Tsitsipas v Pouille final''?

Or is it just Rafa that needs to lose so Djoker can have an easier run through the rest of the tournament?

He's a Roger fan don't get confused with his nick
 
As if Rafa should just fade away?

Rafa has been working his ass off. QF or better in 6 straight slams, SF or better in 4 straight. If someone wants tennis to shift, come beat Rafa and Nole. If they're not good enough, they didn't "need" to win.

What you expect from a fedfan? He's not even trying to be subtle.
 
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if you can't beat Rafael on indoor grass (and when Rafael wasn't even serving great), good luck on hardcourt:)

What about if you can beat him on indoor grass? This discussion is not about the moral world. We know that nobody can even win a moral point against Nadal. That goes without saying. But in the mere phenomenal world, Djokovic did in fact win that match.
 
Thanks for clearing that up. Makes perfect sense now. I'm seeing a lot of Fed fans becoming Tsitsipas fans this week :unsure:

This '30 plus players need to be stopped was' never said even once when Fed was in his early 30. Now all of a sudden they want you to believe how much they care for the men's tennis. Hypocrisy is blatant .
 
This '30 plus players need to be stopped was' never said even once when Fed was in his early 30. Now all of a sudden they want you to believe how much they care for the men's tennis. Hypocrisy is blatant .

I assume I can take your username on face value and say that you are a real Djoker fan? If so, good luck in the semis and if Djokodal both get there, may the best man win in the final :)
 
This '30 plus players need to be stopped was' never said even once when Fed was in his early 30. Now all of a sudden they want you to believe how much they care for the men's tennis. Hypocrisy is blatant .

Except when Fed was in his early 30's, Nadal and Djokovic were at their peak and beating him, as they were supposed to. Tennis was in good hands. It didn't need to be said. Fed didn't win a Slam for 5 years after Wimbledon 2012, remember???
 
Except when Fed was in his early 30's, Nadal and Djokovic were at their peak and beating him, as they were supposed to. Tennis was in good hands. It didn't need to be said. Fed didn't win a Slam for 5 years after Wimbledon 2012, remember???

sure tennis was only in bas hand once Fed can no longer win slams. If someone wanna win they'll have to earn it. Tennis is a sport where best man win . I don't think Tennis is any worse than 2003-07 era when only one man was beating his " not so great rivals" noone complained. Here atleast 2 Goats are competing for most of the slams.
 
If Nads or Djoker overtake Fed's slams all I could do is applaud really, regardless of what I would personally think of that as a Fed fan. It would be amazing
 
sure tennis was only in bas hand once Fed can no longer win slams. If someone wanna win they'll have to earn it. Tennis is a sport where best man win . I don't think Tennis is any worse than 2003-07 era when only one man was beating his " not so great rivals" noone complained. Here atleast 2 Goats are competing for most of the slams.

Didn't I just say that tennis was in good hands when Nadal and Djokovic were dominating? But them dominating in 2011-2014 is different from them dominating today. You would somehow expect that there should be young players spoiling the party every now and then, as they did to Federer, but that just hasn't happened.

The difference between 2003-2007 to today is that Fed was aged 23-26 and at the peak of his powers. Aside from Fed, you had a host of young players who consistently went deep in slams. Nalbandian was actually awesome back then. Roddick was a consistent threat at Wimbledon and made a lot of hard court slam semis. Hewitt and Safin were threats from 2004-2005. Nadal, of course, was dominating clay from 2005 onwards, and was a threat on grass from 2006 onwards. Djokovic went consistently deep in Slams in 2007. Even if Fed fell off a cliff, the future of tennis was bright. Now, we're overjoyed that ONE 20 year old player made a Slam semi.
 
What rubbbish. If you’re not good enough to win, you’re not good enough for the spotlight.

This is competitive sport. The results do not lie. The day that age catches up with the trio is the day that tennis moves on.
 
Ladies and gentlemen, the moment we‘ve all been waiting for: two young guys getting destroyed by the old champs... Wait, what?
 
Agreed on the second sentence, of course. But which answer do you think we will get? One match proves little.
Just meant that Djokovic-Nadal is the likely final, so we will get the actual match. I fear Its going to be a pretty comfortable win for Djoko, but Rafa is Rafa, you can never write him off:)
 
Call it the crazy top spin that kids have troubles with and when I say kids I don't only mean my son but the whole line up of the next generation in ATP. That's why Rafa rules and may rule for a couple more years. One needs experience, an amazing eye coordination/anticipation that's established in years of playing the game. Rafa's just upped the top spin a bit more which is why Tsitsi will have loads of issues on the baseline. Yes, the Greek needs to but cannot win yet.
 
I'm a big fan of Nadal, but I agree with the OP - it will be great for tennis if Tsitsipas wins, and even better for it if he wins the final. I think that will open doors of possibility up for the rest of the younger players.
 
I think you're exaggerating on Tsitsipas being tired. He's very young, had 2.5 days to recover from the RBA match and hasn't even played 5 sets. For sure Rafa will have the rest advantage, but don't think it will affect so heavily.
 
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