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No love for 2014-2018 Fedr?
Tsitsipas on his loss to Djokovic at French open 2021
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No love for 2014-2018 Fedr?
airchallenge2
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Unfortunately this is not what I meant. Tsitsi doesn't see the huge gap between him and Nole. He thinks he was close, hahahahahaha
Red Rick
Bionic Poster
There is having belief you can win and then there's being bamboozled as **** about losing and lacking introspection when it happens.
How many of these pros actually do any yoga. That is the best thing for tennis - 1.5 hours of Ashtanga a day and there will be no physical mismatch. Djokovic does it I understand but am not sure to what degree - wisely, he also focuses on breathing and meditation. Really - it’s not rocket science. Less of the weights - more of the downward dog!
Typical TTW brainwashed fans who are speaking without even use their brain.
Go watch the interview, he was asked to reflect on that match/lose, and why it happen, and what it takes from it.
It's not some random talks about it.
And his respond is exactly the reason why he lost. And i have said that already long ago.
His lost was due to his energy drop. Yeah Novak rise the level, but Novak was playing his A+ game in the first set and Tsitsipas still managed to won it.
Djokovic won that match, cause he raised his level in the 3-5 set, but also because Tsitsipas drop his level big time.
It was due to not having enough energy. His shots become shorter and shorter and his FH doesn't have the usual punch.
It's not an excuse or anything, its 100% the truth.
Tsitsipas already have 50 matches this season, and this is solo only, and that ****** play every double tournament to help his brother(who is hot garbage). But thats not the way to help him. Petros should play on his level, which is way lower, than he is playing currently, and Tsisipas should forget all together about doubles, and start making his schedule towards GS and Masters 1000 title. He should forget 250 tournaments altogether.
Still this thread should stay, so i can laugh at all the people who are hating on Tsitsipas right now in the next 2 year, where he constantly win big titles, and beat both Djoko and Nadal constantly.
Tsitsipas is already on there level, and he is missing very, very little to beat both of them constantly.
And he is there with Nadal on Clay courts. I expect Tsitsipas to be able to beat Nadal on HC this season already.
And the next 2 to totally dominate.
Go watch the interview, he was asked to reflect on that match/lose, and why it happen, and what it takes from it.
It's not some random talks about it.
And his respond is exactly the reason why he lost. And i have said that already long ago.
His lost was due to his energy drop. Yeah Novak rise the level, but Novak was playing his A+ game in the first set and Tsitsipas still managed to won it.
Djokovic won that match, cause he raised his level in the 3-5 set, but also because Tsitsipas drop his level big time.
It was due to not having enough energy. His shots become shorter and shorter and his FH doesn't have the usual punch.
It's not an excuse or anything, its 100% the truth.
Tsitsipas already have 50 matches this season, and this is solo only, and that ****** play every double tournament to help his brother(who is hot garbage). But thats not the way to help him. Petros should play on his level, which is way lower, than he is playing currently, and Tsisipas should forget all together about doubles, and start making his schedule towards GS and Masters 1000 title. He should forget 250 tournaments altogether.
Still this thread should stay, so i can laugh at all the people who are hating on Tsitsipas right now in the next 2 year, where he constantly win big titles, and beat both Djoko and Nadal constantly.
Tsitsipas is already on there level, and he is missing very, very little to beat both of them constantly.
And he is there with Nadal on Clay courts. I expect Tsitsipas to be able to beat Nadal on HC this season already.
And the next 2 to totally dominate.
This is next level blinded fanboy opinion. Tsitsipas level drop significantly after the second set, and everyone who is not blind could see this.
And Djokovic was playing big time tennis in the first set. But Tsitsipas managed to top it.
Djokovic in the 3-5 was no different than Djokovic than the 1st. It was Tsitsipas level that drops, and Djokovic comeback after the level drop in the second and managed to sustain it.
Red Rick
Bionic Poster
Thiems overplaying is so memed and frankly not that true. He played 82, 74 and 74 matches from 2016-2018, which is hardly outrageous.
In fact if you compare his matches/year to the Big 4 at the same age he's way behind
The difference being that the Big 4 accumulated matches by winning in important tournaments while Thiem spent his time jetting off to 250s in Sofia, Antalya, Buenos Aires and Chengdu.
Tsitsipas has 40-10 record in solo, and he also play pretty much every double tournaments with his brother.
He have great gas tank, as you could clearly see in AO 2021 against Nadal. In the 5 set, he was super fresh, like the match just have been started.
And yeah he need a better schedule that focus towards Masters 1000 and GS, but this was his team approach in order to make him more consistent and be able to win matches when he is not playing his best tennis. This is Patrick Mouratoglou words, not mine. Playing so many matches will also improve his game overall, make it way more consistent, and also help him with his recovery and his energy level as well.
While it cost him now, this will be a huge advantage in the next few years.
He have great gas tank, as you could clearly see in AO 2021 against Nadal. In the 5 set, he was super fresh, like the match just have been started.
And yeah he need a better schedule that focus towards Masters 1000 and GS, but this was his team approach in order to make him more consistent and be able to win matches when he is not playing his best tennis. This is Patrick Mouratoglou words, not mine. Playing so many matches will also improve his game overall, make it way more consistent, and also help him with his recovery and his energy level as well.
While it cost him now, this will be a huge advantage in the next few years.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Different opponents for both. Stefanos would do worse against peak 2007 Fed than Novak did.
Subway Tennis
G.O.A.T.
zagor
Bionic Poster
I got memed regarding Thiem then but Tsits played ~50 this year. He overplayed, especially for a big guy.
Red Rick
Bionic Poster
Not sure size is that important. But he's playing Hamburg right now, then scheduled for Olympics, Toronto and presumably Cinci. He's really looking to hit 60+ matches going into the USO.
He's also played 10+ doubles matches, but that's probably not too significant.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Bit Djokodal's endurance was the best in their 20's. Same for Fed.
zagor
Bionic Poster
I always got the impression that in tennis, big tall guys are just more injury prone. There are very few slam winners over 1,90 m and they usually aren't dominant #1s.
Red Rick
Bionic Poster
I think things like muscle and tendon stiffness are much more important than just height. And being a dominant number 1 just requires an extremely high game% which is hard if your size limits your return game. Also taller people make up a much smaller part of the population, and they're definitely very overrepresented in the tennis pyramid, especially in the last few years, so either there's a lot of growth hormone abuse in junior game or you're just dealing with a much shallower talent pool at that height.
Subway Tennis
G.O.A.T.
It's quite normal for an elite athlete's endurance to spike dramatically at 30 or even after. In Novak's case, it's just another hyper elite athlete with spectacular endurance past 30. He may have better endurance than an elite but very young athlete like Tsitsipas and that is not unusual.
What would be surprising is if Novak were far more explosive than his younger counterpart.
vex
Legend
Subway Tennis
G.O.A.T.
Agree. There is nowhere to hide for a big guy in an individual court sport with movement as violent as tennis.
There are other court sports with violent movement and even contact that show big guys can endure very long careers but they are usually team sports where they get rest options. Additionally, compromises in their speed and movement can be compensated for by changed playing roles as they age.
I think in tennis you can be a tall stringbean and stick around forever, but once you're tall plus a bit more muscled, the stress on the body is immense. Murray right now is paying the price for almost looking like a light rugby union player while covering the court like Lleyton Hewitt for all those years. Mark Phillippoussis would be another example. Tsonga is probably on the threshold too.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
RF-18
Talk Tennis Guru
I do everything pretty well so I am a well
balance player. People say I have no weaknesses!
You can try to find one during a match but I will
usually hit it back to your weak side to draw an
error or have you hit it back short or a floater. I am still
quite fit so that not going be a problem since I go deep
in the draw usually to win the finals in almost all tournaments
that I enter.
And Tsitsipas played 500% motivated Djokovic, who trashed Nadal before that. Djokovic level was absolutely 100% at RG.
His level was 100% during the first set, his level dropped in the second, but he raised it big time to 100% again in the 3-5.
At Wimbledon DJoko was at 50% of his level. Against Berettini in the first was around 20%, and in the next around 50%.
And that mug manage to choke everything.
But the biggest choker of them all was - Shapovalov. Played better than Djoko, and not managed to win even a single set, and chocked every single opportunities against Djoko who was just playing the ball in court, nothing else.
Against Tsitsipas, Djokovic was actually playing and leading the rally in the 1st and 3-5. He changed the pace, and controlling the rally, not just put the ball back in play.
And some old legends are praising Berettini and how he is better than Roddick .... Such a jokers.
His level was 100% during the first set, his level dropped in the second, but he raised it big time to 100% again in the 3-5.
At Wimbledon DJoko was at 50% of his level. Against Berettini in the first was around 20%, and in the next around 50%.
And that mug manage to choke everything.
But the biggest choker of them all was - Shapovalov. Played better than Djoko, and not managed to win even a single set, and chocked every single opportunities against Djoko who was just playing the ball in court, nothing else.
Against Tsitsipas, Djokovic was actually playing and leading the rally in the 1st and 3-5. He changed the pace, and controlling the rally, not just put the ball back in play.
And some old legends are praising Berettini and how he is better than Roddick .... Such a jokers.
Tennisbg
Professional
Eventually you will be right, he will be beating these grandpas. But he is not on the same level as them now, especially Djokovic.
He is almost right there. His level is super close to their. His A+, A level is absolutely insane, he only needs the energy to manage to sustain it for best of 5.
He already tops Nadal in Best of 5. Just watch for the end of season, and watch how he will be even better and will most probably beat Nadal most of the time they met on HC.
The only difference between him and Djoko is that Djoko can sustain his level way better and raise it on the right time.
Still Tsitsipas is lacking this.
Still i stand by my words, he will dominate the men tennis in 2 year time. It's either going to be in 2022 or 2023.
He already tops Nadal in Best of 5. Just watch for the end of season, and watch how he will be even better and will most probably beat Nadal most of the time they met on HC.
The only difference between him and Djoko is that Djoko can sustain his level way better and raise it on the right time.
Still Tsitsipas is lacking this.
Still i stand by my words, he will dominate the men tennis in 2 year time. It's either going to be in 2022 or 2023.
Who sounds like the desperate fanboy now?
airchallenge2
Hall of Fame
If you add to this that he is a big Wim Hof Method guy, one would get the picture.
airchallenge2
Hall of Fame
Why the offensive language?
except that tennis is not limited to endurance
it's not like a marathon run, where top runners participate in a limited amount of races per year
a top player like Novak plays 70 matches per year usually or even more
once you can show us endurance athletes participating in 70+ races per year, we can talk about how the sports are similar
right, cause he played 5 matches in Kitzbuehl and Hamburg, to then proceed and lose in R1/R2 where it matters, so on average he playing same amount of matches
socallefty
G.O.A.T.
Tsitsipas should learn not to give proper answers to questions like this - whatever he says will sound like an excuse or a weakness.
He has shown the ability to take Djokovic to 5 sets in two French Opens in a row, but lost pretty easily in the fifth set both times. It seemed like his returns get less potent as the match drags on and he also retreats further behind the baseline than at the start of the match when he tries to be more aggressive. Is this mental fatigue and losing the willpower to stay aggressive or are his legs getting fatigued? I‘m more inclined to think that it is the first case and it is not having the inner belief that he is good enough to beat Djokovic that emotionally affects him and makes him more passive. Djokovic does to to every opponent by the fourth or fifth set when he is playing well as he is like a boa constrictor slowly squeezing the will out of his opponent.
He has shown the ability to take Djokovic to 5 sets in two French Opens in a row, but lost pretty easily in the fifth set both times. It seemed like his returns get less potent as the match drags on and he also retreats further behind the baseline than at the start of the match when he tries to be more aggressive. Is this mental fatigue and losing the willpower to stay aggressive or are his legs getting fatigued? I‘m more inclined to think that it is the first case and it is not having the inner belief that he is good enough to beat Djokovic that emotionally affects him and makes him more passive. Djokovic does to to every opponent by the fourth or fifth set when he is playing well as he is like a boa constrictor slowly squeezing the will out of his opponent.
DSH
Talk Tennis Guru
gamelovergold
Semi-Pro
Pure comedy
gamelovergold
Semi-Pro
22 year old not able to outlast 34 year old in physical capability. Some kind of joke. Mentally you can say novak is superior but physically....
helterskelter
G.O.A.T.
34-year-olds will usually/almost always outlast 22-year-olds in tests of stamina. Now, if Tsitsipas at 22 had been worse than Djokovic at 34 in terms of changing direction, that is a different matter.
Neptune
Hall of Fame
Some tough competitors were born within a year
Timed >2 hours >2.5 hours >3 hours >3.5 hours >4 hours >4.5 hours >5 hours Nole 1240 (1035-205) 83.47% 496 (386-110) 77.82% 251 (194-57) 77.29% 135 (104-31) 77.04% 61 (45-16) 73.77% 29 (21-8) 72.41% 14 (10-4) 71.43% 3 (3-0) 100.00% Fed 1424 (1163-261) 81.67% 364 (239-125) 65.66% 154 (100-54)...
tt.tennis-warehouse.com
22 years old should be able to beat an old, past prime 34 years old. Like all the incompetent players from the 90s born, Tsitsipas is another embarrassing players !
In a strong era, young 20 years old Safin beat 29 years old Sampras at the 2000 USO, young 20 years old Hewitt beat 30 years old Sampras at the 2001 USO, and then young 19 years old Federrer beat a near 30 old Sampras(aiming for his 5th straight titles) at 2001 Wimbledon.
In a strong era, young 20 years old Safin beat 29 years old Sampras at the 2000 USO, young 20 years old Hewitt beat 30 years old Sampras at the 2001 USO, and then young 19 years old Federrer beat a near 30 old Sampras(aiming for his 5th straight titles) at 2001 Wimbledon.
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