Tsitsipas on Natural Gut

Nostradamus

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stefanos Tsitsipas

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It’s almost like: I don’t eat meat and burgers but every match I play equals 8 dead animals. All that, for the sake of my feeling on-court.

:laughing: :p Yea but that feeling is incredible and makes the pros alot of money. So that they can buy more Vegan foods
 

Daniel Andrade

Professional

Firstly, this is silly. Cows are not slaughtered solely for the purpose of producing Natural Gut. So if Natural Gut ceased to exist, it would not save any cows from being slaughtered.
Obviously. But that's not the point I guess. The point is that to be considered vegan you shouldn't use products that come from certain animals. It makes me wonder, there are no vegan racquets?
 
Obviously. But that's not the point I guess. The point is that to be considered vegan you shouldn't use products that come from certain animals. It makes me wonder, there are no vegan racquets?
Disagree. I haven’t ate meat or dairy in 8 yrs, I follow a completely plant based diet. However, I do wear clothing that isn’t Vegan. There is currently no decent substitute for leather dress shoes & wool suits. I try to buy quality products that last me a long time so I don’t have to repurchase frequently.

Yes, the most strict, holier than thou Vegans would not consider me one. But they’re zealots & ultimately detrimental to the cause they claim to care about.
 

SeeItHitIt

Professional
I was going to blame The Fly’s obvious lack of reasoning on American schools (alone), but realize it’s an international problem.
 

SinneGOAT

Hall of Fame
Obviously. But that's not the point I guess. The point is that to be considered vegan you shouldn't use products that come from certain animals. It makes me wonder, there are no vegan racquets?
It’s made of graphite, the stuff on pencils. That does not come from animals, and wood doesn’t either. Overgrips are felt, depending on which brand so racquets are vegan.
 

fox

Semi-Pro

Firstly, this is silly. Cows are not slaughtered solely for the purpose of producing Natural Gut. So if Natural Gut ceased to exist, it would not save any cows from being slaughtered. Secondly, if Tsitsipas is not Vegan himself, his opinion on this issue doesn’t hold much weight.
It is like saying cows are not slaughtered solely because I eat meat. It is because others eat.
actually I agree with him that it is moronic to protect animals in one case and use them in another
 

Arak

Professional
The thing is, many people eat little or no meat as part of a healthy diet. It’s certainly not due to any concern for the cows’ wellbeing.
 
It is like saying cows are not slaughtered solely because I eat meat. It is because others eat.
actually I agree with him that it is moronic to protect animals in one case and use them in another
I don’t eat meat. Perhaps you do. If you do, you’re part of the market which serves as the #1 reason for the slaughter of cows. If everybody stopped buying Natural Gut, it wouldn’t decrease the # of cows slaughtered.

So whether I buy NG or not is of no real benefit to cows, their end result is the same. Whereas if nobody ate meat, cows would not be slaughtered.
 

fox

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I don’t eat meat. Perhaps you do. If you do, you’re part of the market which serves as the #1 reason for the slaughter of cows. If everybody stopped buying Natural Gut, it wouldn’t decrease the # of cows slaughtered.

So whether I buy NG or not is of no real benefit to cows, their end result is the same. Whereas if nobody ate meat, cows would not be slaughtered.
The case is you mix I and nobody in one sentence. If I stop eating meat the cows still will be slaughtered :D Everybody can say that.
For me it is irrational. It is like saying I don’t eat meat while wearing leather shoes, belt and wollen jacket...
 
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The case is you mix I and nobody in one sentence. If I stop eating meat the cows still will be slaughtered :D Everybody can say that.
For me it is irrational. It is like saying I don’t eat meat while wearing leather shoes, belt and wollen jacket...
I don’t see buying a pair of leather dress shoes once every 6 years & eating meat 4 times/week as comparable.

It’s not an all or nothing choice imo.
 

Zetty

Hall of Fame
I don’t eat meat. Perhaps you do. If you do, you’re part of the market which serves as the #1 reason for the slaughter of cows. If everybody stopped buying Natural Gut, it wouldn’t decrease the # of cows slaughtered.

So whether I buy NG or not is of no real benefit to cows, their end result is the same. Whereas if nobody ate meat, cows would not be slaughtered.
I just think he's framing it as a type of hypocrisy to call into question someone else's flimsy ideals, but whoever he's referring to might just be doing it for a physical advantage...but who the hell knows who he's talking about, there's no context.
 
I just think he's framing it as a type of hypocrisy to call into question someone else's flimsy ideals, but whoever he's referring to might just be doing it for a physical advantage...but who the hell knows who he's talking about, there's no context.
It strikes me as a very “holier than thou” position, especially odd considering he eats meat.

Perhaps he has another player in mind but Djokovic does fit the bill....
 

McEncock

Semi-Pro

Firstly, this is silly. Cows are not slaughtered solely for the purpose of producing Natural Gut. So if Natural Gut ceased to exist, it would not save any cows from being slaughtered. Secondly, if Tsitsipas is not Vegan himself, his opinion on this issue doesn’t hold much weight.
Worst argument. They don't kill the cow just for the cheeseburger you ate yesterday neither ; but when you bought it, you participated to a demand which leads to killing more cows.

So to me, and it kills me to say that, he is right about pointing out this hypocrisy.

BTW, isn't tennis gut cows a special breed?
 
Worst argument. They don't kill the cow just for the cheeseburger you ate yesterday neither ; but when you bought it, you participated to a demand which leads to killing more cows.

So to me, and it kills me to say that, he is right about pointing out this hypocrisy.

BTW, isn't tennis gut cows a special breed?
Your logic is faulty. Buying natural Gut doesn’t lead to more cows being killed because it’s simply a byproduct of the meat industry. Therefore, the demand for NG does not lead to killing more cows since those cows are going to the slaughterhouse anyways.

If the meat industry ceased to exist, NG strings probably would too.
 

kkm

Professional
What about Federer ? he uses gut and i was told he is very restricted diet on meat. He even has that cow that he refuses to eat.

Federer might not eat much meat - I don't know whether that's the case - but AFAIK he's never made any claims of being vegan.

Back to Djokovic, to be fair, I don't think he ever said that he's vegan, though he has said that his diet is mostly plant-based. So I should probably take back what I wrote before, that it was "definitely Djokovic" whom Tsitsipas was referring to. I just can't think of any other highly-ranked ATP player who's vegan or anything close to vegan.
 

encylopedia

Professional
Disagree. I haven’t ate meat or dairy in 8 yrs, I follow a completely plant based diet. However, I do wear clothing that isn’t Vegan. There is currently no decent substitute for leather dress shoes & wool suits. I try to buy quality products that last me a long time so I don’t have to repurchase frequently.

Yes, the most strict, holier than thou Vegans would not consider me one. But they’re zealots & ultimately detrimental to the cause they claim to care about.
Seriously. So you're criticizing Tsitsipas because he is pointing out some Vegans hypocritically use gut, and your rationale is that the animal is not killed for gut. Then you admit that indeed, some vegans are like that and would criticize you -while you simultaneously admit to using leather clothes for which animals absolutely are slaughtered. Orderly and rational thinking are not your friend.
 

1HBHfanatic

Legend
Disagree. I haven’t ate meat or dairy in 8 yrs, I follow a completely plant based diet. However, I do wear clothing that isn’t Vegan. There is currently no decent substitute for leather dress shoes & wool suits. I try to buy quality products that last me a long time so I don’t have to repurchase frequently.

Yes, the most strict, holier than thou Vegans would not consider me one. But they’re zealots & ultimately detrimental to the cause they claim to care about.
-wool should not be looked down upon!! if you are a vegan, IMO
-by shearing/removing the overgrown wool from a sheep, you are actually helping the animal!!

-now,, leather-shoes/wallets/nat.gut-strings/leather-grips, etc.. is something else,
-you are in fact contributing to the sale/profit of a slaughtered animal, hence why i see/understand vegans having an issue here!!

-now, before you/anyone pegs-me as one-way and/or another,, know that i just made the most amazing burgers(meat) 2 days ago,, they were delicious!!
 
These cows would not have existed whatsoever if it weren't for their food value and their bi-products--it's not like they were snatched from their home on the range. Why don't you ask the cows how they feel about having a life? Standing around all day cow-rousing with their buddies, three hots and a cot, free health care--a karmic future life possibly as upholstery in a Rolls or as gut in one of the big three's racquets center court at Wimbledon--ASK A COW!
 

HitMoreBHs

Rookie
definitely Djokovic
As an aside, I don’t believe Djoker practices veganism. His plant based diet is equivalent to being vegan, but dietary approach and life philosophy aren’t the same thing. I’ll bet he’ll happily go back to Balkan BBQ (Ćevapi) when his playing days are done.
 
-wool should not be looked down upon!! if you are a vegan, IMO
-by shearing/removing the overgrown wool from a sheep, you are actually helping the animal!!

-now,, leather-shoes/wallets/nat.gut-strings/leather-grips, etc.. is something else,
-you are in fact contributing to the sale/profit of a slaughtered animal, hence why i see/understand vegans having an issue here!!

-now, before you/anyone pegs-me as one-way and/or another,, know that i just made the most amazing burgers(meat) 2 days ago,, they were delicious!!
I follow a plant based diet. Regarding contributing to the sale/profit of a slaughtered animal, ehh I guess. I don’t really see buying a leather grip/ nat Gut as = buying a fur coat. Cows are killed for meat. Whether leather grips/nat Gut exist, cows are going to be slaughtered at the same rate.

I get your point. I personally just don’t see the occasional purchase of items containing animal byproducts as all that problematic.
 
Seriously. So you're criticizing Tsitsipas because he is pointing out some Vegans hypocritically use gut, and your rationale is that the animal is not killed for gut. Then you admit that indeed, some vegans are like that and would criticize you -while you simultaneously admit to using leather clothes for which animals absolutely are slaughtered. Orderly and rational thinking are not your friend.
What on earth are you blabbering about? Yes I’m criticizing Tsitsipas for espousing the same idiotic view zealous Vegans do.

And again, leather is a byproduct of the meat industry. No leather shoes? Cow still dies for meat.
 
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