Tsitsipas vs Rothenberg press

Raul_SJ

G.O.A.T.
Who is the obnoxious moderator telling the reporter, "I am not going to allow the toilet break question." Has an issue with free and open press conferences? Maybe he would be more comfortable with the CCP.
 
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JustMy2Cents

Professional
from one of the comments under the youtube video:
Tsits took a 6 minute break vs Korda in Cincy A
10 minute break vs Sonego in CIncy
An 8 minute break vs Felix in Cincy
8 and a half minutes vs Zverev and got accused of cheating. was ready to go for one more with bag on shoulder till umpire told him it'll be counted as time violation.
Two Breaks against Andy: One 8 minutes 30 secs the other 7 mins 30 secs. Even after that break, he sat on his bench drinking water till Andy yelled at him
8 minutes vs Mannarino

Tsits clearly has zero logic in his argument that there is no time limit, so he didn't break rules.

so he'll sit in the WC for 15 min the next time.... when does his brain comprehend the spirit behind the letter of the law?
this is not a few seconds... it's a matter of minutes
 

Biotic

Hall of Fame
from one of the comments under the youtube video:
Tsits took a 6 minute break vs Korda in Cincy A
10 minute break vs Sonego in CIncy
An 8 minute break vs Felix in Cincy
8 and a half minutes vs Zverev and got accused of cheating. was ready to go for one more with bag on shoulder till umpire told him it'll be counted as time violation.
Two Breaks against Andy: One 8 minutes 30 secs the other 7 mins 30 secs. Even after that break, he sat on his bench drinking water till Andy yelled at him
8 minutes vs Mannarino

Tsits clearly has zero logic in his argument that there is no time limit, so he didn't break rules.

so he'll sit in the WC for 15 min the next time.... when does his brain comprehend the spirit behind the letter of the law?
this is not a few seconds... it's a matter of minutes
It's quickly becoming as natural as breathing. One might say bathroom breaks are oxygen for his tennis.
 

Tshooter

G.O.A.T.
I love that Tsiticrates pulled out the 2012 final. I remember when Murray took that break and the crowd (I was there) really booed Murray. I agree with Tsiticrates on that break not being in the spirit of the rules.
 

Raul_SJ

G.O.A.T.
I love that Tsiticrates pulled out the 2012 final. I remember when Murray took that break and the crowd (I was there) really booed Murray. I agree with Tsiticrates on that break not being in the spirit of the rules.
Was it at the beginning of the fifth set? If so, not a big deal. And it was only 3:00. Not a Tsitsi 8:00.
 
That toilet break have really shifted the momentum back to Murray, against at that time the mentally fragile Djokovic. It was a real masterstroke by Sir Andy, that's for sure. ;)
 

Raul_SJ

G.O.A.T.
That toilet break have really shifted the momentum back to Murray, against at that time the mentally fragile Djokovic. It was a real masterstroke by Sir Andy, that's for sure. ;)
If Sir Andy was truly master of the toilet breaks, he would have taken one when Tsitsi was serving for the match at 5-4.
 

Tshooter

G.O.A.T.
Who is the obnoxious moderator telling the reporter, "I am not going to allow the toilet break question." Has an issue with free and open press conferences? Maybe he would be more comfortable with the CCP.
You’re the quintessential unreliable narrator. The “minder” said he would allow the question but not to belabor it. He’s right. It was asked and answered. Is the guy that is acting like it’s a deposition Rothenberg. If so, one of the actual reporters should have jumped in and told him to keep quiet. He’s a disgrace to all reporters.
 

Raul_SJ

G.O.A.T.
He and the reporter said 3 min longer i.e Murray took 5 min. That's what I heard.
If 2012 was at the beginning of the fifth, it is not a big deal...Murray was whining Monday, "The rest room is right there. What is he doing in there? It should take a few minutes..."
 

uscwang

Hall of Fame
from one of the comments under the youtube video:
Tsits took a 6 minute break vs Korda in Cincy A
10 minute break vs Sonego in CIncy
An 8 minute break vs Felix in Cincy
8 and a half minutes vs Zverev and got accused of cheating. was ready to go for one more with bag on shoulder till umpire told him it'll be counted as time violation.
Two Breaks against Andy: One 8 minutes 30 secs the other 7 mins 30 secs. Even after that break, he sat on his bench drinking water till Andy yelled at him
8 minutes vs Mannarino

Tsits clearly has zero logic in his argument that there is no time limit, so he didn't break rules.

so he'll sit in the WC for 15 min the next time.... when does his brain comprehend the spirit behind the letter of the law?
this is not a few seconds... it's a matter of minutes
Holy cow!
I think ATP should make bathroom break mandatory for Tsitsipas. Don't rule out medical induction.
 
Bart says he is one of the finest tennis journalists. Think he also works for the New York Times. Really can't think of many tennis journalists that are higher profile than Rothenberg.




Ben is totally a stand up guy; his podcast and writing about Alexander Z's abuses of his ex are flawless. Check out his podcast "No Challenges Remaining"
 

Arak

Hall of Fame
from one of the comments under the youtube video:
Tsits took a 6 minute break vs Korda in Cincy A
10 minute break vs Sonego in CIncy
An 8 minute break vs Felix in Cincy
8 and a half minutes vs Zverev and got accused of cheating. was ready to go for one more with bag on shoulder till umpire told him it'll be counted as time violation.
Two Breaks against Andy: One 8 minutes 30 secs the other 7 mins 30 secs. Even after that break, he sat on his bench drinking water till Andy yelled at him
8 minutes vs Mannarino

Tsits clearly has zero logic in his argument that there is no time limit, so he didn't break rules.

so he'll sit in the WC for 15 min the next time.... when does his brain comprehend the spirit behind the letter of the law?
this is not a few seconds... it's a matter of minutes
My goodness! He must urgently go have his bladder and prostate checked by a specialist. He must be very ill.
 
Did you hear this obnoxious moderator try to shut Ben down because it has been covered before? Let Ben ask whatever he wants! This must be something new. Usually the moderator simply calls out the reporter name. Does not try to restrict the questioning.
That was odd; obviously i have not heard every post match interview ever but it has me thinking that he was sort of doing that to protect Stefanos in wake of the Osaka claims? Its odd to say the least.
 

Rozroz

G.O.A.T.
so they said Murray had only 3:00 break at 2012 (that includes a full self meditation??)
pretty quick!
 

Spencer Gore

Hall of Fame
If they had made an example of Federer after he admitted blatantly breaking the rules over a decade ago we could have avoided Nadal, Djokovic, Murray, Tsitsipas etc all being allowed to stretch the rules since then.
 

Wurm

Semi-Pro
On the one hand I almost admire his Chutzpah but it's less that and more just shameless, as the shoelaces joke proved.

That is a nice own by Tsitsipas, bringing up Murray's US Open final toilet break.
Murray was off the court in the US Open 2012 final for less than two minutes. Novak followed him off court for his own toilet break (whether he intended to ahead of time or just responded to Murray is not clear) and returned when Murray was already back in his seat and having another drink.

The amount of time it takes to read Murray's account of what happened in that toilet is longer than the time he actually spent there.

Tsitsipas is just trying DARVO on for size - it's not "owning" anyone, it's just showing how small minded he is. He'd fit right in around here.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
I really doubt that argument can fly. It's just your way of throwing some mud Federer's way.

If they had made an example of Federer after he admitted blatantly breaking the rules over a decade ago we could have avoided Nadal, Djokovic, Murray, Tsitsipas etc all being allowed to stretch the rules since then.
 

Spencer Gore

Hall of Fame
I really doubt that argument can fly. It's just your way of throwing some mud Federer's way.
It would have sent an incredibly powerful message back in 2010. You had the 3rd best player in the world openly admitting he was abusing the rules (actually admitting breaking them) and nothing was done about it. Now look where we are.
 
It would have sent an incredibly powerful message back in 2010. You had the 3rd best player in the world openly admitting he was abusing the rules (actually admitting breaking them) and nothing was done about it. Now look where we are.
Are you saying back in 2010 Federer was "Breaking a rule" by his own words or he was abusing them and said he was breaking them; what rule was it?
 

Spencer Gore

Hall of Fame
Are you saying back in 2010 Federer was "Breaking a rule" by his own words or he was abusing them and said he was breaking them; what rule was it?
P. Toilet Break
1) A player may be permitted to leave the court for a toilet break...Toilet breaks should be taken on a set break and
can be used for no other purpose.
"When the sun comes from the side, the ball seems half the size and is just hard to hit. I never take toilet breaks, but I thought 'Why not? I just hoped that with every minute it took, the sun would move another centimeter." ~ Roger Federer
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Some tennis rules allow for some gamesmanship as making them stricter makes the rule harsher.

It would have sent an incredibly powerful message back in 2010. You had the 3rd best player in the world openly admitting he was abusing the rules (actually admitting breaking them) and nothing was done about it. Now look where we are.
 

flanker2000fr

Hall of Fame
from one of the comments under the youtube video:
Tsits took a 6 minute break vs Korda in Cincy A
10 minute break vs Sonego in CIncy
An 8 minute break vs Felix in Cincy
8 and a half minutes vs Zverev and got accused of cheating. was ready to go for one more with bag on shoulder till umpire told him it'll be counted as time violation.
Two Breaks against Andy: One 8 minutes 30 secs the other 7 mins 30 secs. Even after that break, he sat on his bench drinking water till Andy yelled at him
8 minutes vs Mannarino

Tsits clearly has zero logic in his argument that there is no time limit, so he didn't break rules.

so he'll sit in the WC for 15 min the next time.... when does his brain comprehend the spirit behind the letter of the law?
this is not a few seconds... it's a matter of minutes
This. I think that the rules regarding breaks is that they have to be of a "reasonable" length. So the hope was that, by providing this latitude, the players would act in accordance to the spirit of the game. Clearly, this won't work when someone decides to abuse this rule, and hides behind the lack of time limit to justify their action. Which is why this needs to be strictly regulated, one way or another.
 

Terenigma

G.O.A.T.
He brought up the Murray final but like... that was a final. After 2 weeks of play and 7 matches of competition against the best player in the world for the final set and he took 3mins? Tsitsipas you took TWO breaks against Murray in the FIRST round of a slam and their combined length was 15mins. Tsitsipas is a joke and i'm glad his poor gamesmanship is getting called out.
 

flanker2000fr

Hall of Fame
But as far as I am concerned AZ absolutely did what she said. He has all the traits of a abusive man.

Ok as far as I know she has not proceeded with a official criminal investigation,
Not wanting to excuse AZ of anything, but do you realize that short of having undergone a legal proceeding, and him being found guilty, what you write here constitutes libel?
 

Spencer Gore

Hall of Fame
Federer this, Federer that. Move on. The event had no influence.
It has had a massive influence. Look at the mess we're now in. If they had dealt with Federer's openly admitted cheating against Davydenko back in 2010 and tightened the rules (or when he did the same against Tsonga in 2011, again when he was losing) we could have been spared all this nonsense.
 

Terenigma

G.O.A.T.
To be fair to Tsitsipas as much as I don't like him and his long breaks, he is not breaking any rules. Nadal (and Djokovic of whom I a big fan) got away with much more.

ITF and ATP need to step up and make some rules regarding these breaks and enforce them.
See this is where things get murky tho, there are plenty of things in the world that are "legal" in a general sense but common sense says you don't do them, an unwritten rule as people would say. A bathroom break in tennis should come under that same thinking and if there is no "rule" about it then what is to stop a player taking an hour? Where does the line get drawn for people? Also lets be perfectly frank, Tsitsipas either has a horrible case of the runs every match or he's not using it as a "toilet" break at all. He's using it as a rest and look at the sheer number of times he's done it recently.

Like you say, they need to make a ruling about it. My thinking would be you're allowed a 5min toilet break for 3set matches or two 5min toilet breaks for a 5 set match. Something really needs to be done.
 
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