Tsitsipas vs Shapovalov

[George Turner]

The only two notable next gens with a single handed backhand. (Thiem is not next gen.)

Shapo is generally considered more naturally talented, Fedrs heir apparant. He edges the H2H record and his serve is more dangerous. He's talented enough to hit pretty much any shot.

However his game is lousy on clay and lacks consistency, while Tsitsipas is higher ranked, has more big wins to his name and has competed in multiple ATP finals. Both players have all court games.

Who will have the more successful career?

 

[apriliano]

Tell us one thing that Shapo does better

 

[Deleted member 733170]

Shapo considered more naturally talented!?

Honestly, where do you get this stuff from?

 

[George Turner]

Shapo considered more naturally talented!?

Honestly, where do you get this stuff from?

Pete Sampras and Roger Federer have given huge praise to Shapos potential, to name but two sources.

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/tennis/pe...hapovalov-as-potential-top-2-player-1.4291525
https://tennistonic.com/tennis-news/59681/denis-shapovalov-is-a-great-talent-roger-federer/

At the start of 2018 everyone on these boards was hyping up Shapo, while Tsit wasn't being talked about much.

Amazing how quickly opinions can change when it comes to young tennis players

 

[Red Rick]

It's funny how Shapo beat down Tsitsipas at the Aussie Open last year.

Shapo hasn't gotten better since. Tsitsipas has.

 

[Red Rick]

Pete Sampras and Roger Federer have given huge praise to Shapos potential, to name but two sources.

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/tennis/pe...hapovalov-as-potential-top-2-player-1.4291525
https://tennistonic.com/tennis-news/59681/denis-shapovalov-is-a-great-talent-roger-federer/

At the start of 2018 everyone on these boards was hyping up Shapo, while Tsit wasn't being talked about much.

Amazing how quickly opinions can change when it comes to young tennis players

The opinions of ATGs on young players don't ****ing matter. They're always talking them up, it's bad PR to state your opinion if you don't see huge potential.

You can see Andy Roddick die on the inside when he's asked about this generation of young American players. Kills him more than 2009 Wimbledon

 

[Deleted member 733170]

Pete Sampras and Roger Federer have given huge praise to Shapos potential, to name but two sources.

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/tennis/pe...hapovalov-as-potential-top-2-player-1.4291525
https://tennistonic.com/tennis-news/59681/denis-shapovalov-is-a-great-talent-roger-federer/

At the start of 2018 everyone on these boards was hyping up Shapo, while Tsit wasn't being talked about much.

Amazing how quickly opinions can change when it comes to young tennis players

Where does Fed (or anyone else of note) actually say Shapo is more talented than Tsit?

 

[Jonas78]

Feder

 

[vive le beau jeu !]

The only two notable next gens with a single handed backhand. (Thiem is not next gen.)

Shapo is generally considered more naturally talented, Fedrs heir apparant. He edges the H2H record and his serve is more dangerous. He's talented enough to hit pretty much any shot.

However his game is lousy on clay and lacks consistency, while Tsitsipas is higher ranked, has more big wins to his name and has competed in multiple ATP finals. Both players have all court games.

Who will have the more successful career?

i hope both can have successful careers
(and soon, please!)

 

[George Turner]

The opinions of ATGs on young players don't ****ing matter. They're always talking them up, it's bad PR to state your opinion if you don't see huge potential.

You can see Andy Roddick die on the inside when he's asked about this generation of young American players. Kills him more than 2009 Wimbledon

I can't imagine Andy Roddick is hyping up players like Taylor Fritz and Frances Tiafoe as major champs.

Ofc it's natural for ATG's to praise young players, but not with that sort of praise unless they're the real deal.

Where does Fed (or anyone else of note) actually say Shapo is more talented than Tsit?

http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2017...oger-federer-rafael-nadal-john-mcenroe/69031/

More huge hype for Shapo. I don't believe Tsit was being talked about in this way, at this time.

At the start of 2018, anyone would have said Shapo is the bigger talent.

 

[Deleted member 733170]

I can't imagine Andy Roddick is hyping up players like Taylor Fritz and Frances Tiafoe as major champs.

Ofc it's natural for ATG's to praise young players, but not with that sort of praise unless they're the real deal.



http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2017...oger-federer-rafael-nadal-john-mcenroe/69031/

More huge hype for Shapo. I don't believe Tsit was being talked about in this way, at this time.

At the start of 2018, anyone would have said Shapo is the bigger talent.

Ok, so at the beginning of 2018 he was hyped after his breakthrough run in Canada the year before.

By the middle of 2018, it was evident to many of us, that Tsitsipas was likely to emerge as the better and more talented player.

You should give yourself a pat on the back as you called it too! ;-)

https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/tsitsipas-wins-again.602303/

 

[raph6]

Tell us one thing that Shapo does better

Better serve. But the lack of success on clay of Denis will make him less successful than Stefanos

 

[apriliano]

Better serve. But the lack of success on clay of Denis will make him less successful than Stefanos

+less successful than FAA

 

[George Turner]

Ok, so at the beginning of 2018 he was hyped after his breakthrough run in Canada the year before.

By the middle of 2018, it was evident to many of us, that Tsitsipas was likely to emerge as the better and more talented player.

You should give yourself a pat on the back as you called it too! ;-)

https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/tsitsipas-wins-again.602303/

Wow, that was one of my first ever threads, when i didn't even know what forum to post it in!

At that time Shapo was flavour of the month, The lack of replies in that Tsitsipas thread proves my point lol.

 

[stephenclown]

Shapos balance seems to be lacking for consistency in groundstrokes. His forehand is either on or well off. His serve is decent but can be erratic. Overall he had great potential but needs to be moulded into a top player. If he gets the right coach to take his effort and put that into an efficient approach to the game he could be deadly like Federer has been. However, the difference in strokes is remarkable, Federer is grounded so much and can generate the same speed from grounded feet. Shapo jumps into it a heap which creates another variable and if that timing is slightly off it leaves him without any chance.

Imo Tsitsipas in his current form can be a grand slam winner. Shapo has too many unknowns and similar consistency issues/tendencies to Monfils and will struggle to win without major changes.

 

[HetTheGreaterer]

Emotional Heart says shapo
Logical mind says tsitsipas

the reality says ....

 

[IowaGuy]

Shapo did OK in Miami, but otherwise has had a lackluster 2019 so far...

 

[red rook]

I watched the match between these two in the Wimbledon juniors semi-final. Shapo won that match, even though Tsitsipas was ranked as the #1 junior. It seems to me that the last 12-15 months Tsitsipas has started to show he will have the better career. At both their current trajectories it’s hard not to bet on Tsitsipas. I probably prefer Shapo’s personality, but will root for both.

 

[Dartagnan64]

Tstsipas plays the defensive game necessary to win in the current modern game of tennis. All court attackers like Shapo will always be fan favourites but rarely win. Defense wins championships as they say.

Not to say one player is better than the other, but clearly one style is superior in todays tennis. Sadly its the less entertaining style.

 

[Meles]

Shapo just won in Miami and is younger (played consistently to close out match.) Could be Shapo, but Tsits probably betterer.

 

[Lleytonstation]

It's funny how Shapo beat down Tsitsipas at the Aussie Open last year.

Shapo hasn't gotten better since. Tsitsipas has.

I have noticed this, it seems unlike Zverev who has regressed, and Shapo who has not improved much (he is still young), Tsits has had a steady improvement.

But as we have all seen the last couple of years, this could change as soon as RG.

 

[Grampa]

At this age, Federer was the last in his generation too. Not saying that Shapovalov is as talented as him, just that you really can't predict the state of things to come. I like the Canadian, so my vote goes to him.

 

[Rubens]

Tell us one thing that Shapo does better

Being a lefty.

 

[MeatTornado]

Shapo's game is less complete. I was hopeful for him at first and willing to look past the deficiencies because of his big run in Canada 2017, where it looked like he had it. That big match no fear ability to go big or go home. But it turns out that's his game everyday and it's usually more reckless than brave.

Tsitsipas has also proven to not be fearful and have a better all-around tactical game. Shapo will need a new coach to either revamp his game or make him believe more in himself a la Norman/Wawrinka.

 

[HipRotation]

Shapova has the mental edge over Tsipas since their junior days. I wouldn't read much into their H2H in relation to who is actually a better player. It's just currently a bad matchup.

 

[Sysyphus]

I'd probably prefer it to be Tsitsipas, but I reckon Shapo has the higher ceiling.

But TTW at large generally goes with whoever had better results over the last month or so.

 

[papertank]

Shapo just hits way too many errors on average to put together good tournament runs. He’s turning out to be a Tsonga-like player: great fun to watch but too inconsistent to threaten the big tournaments more than a few times a year.

 

[r2473]

Pete Sampras and Roger Federer have given huge praise to Shapos potential, to name but two sources.

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/tennis/pe...hapovalov-as-potential-top-2-player-1.4291525
https://tennistonic.com/tennis-news/59681/denis-shapovalov-is-a-great-talent-roger-federer/

At the start of 2018 everyone on these boards was hyping up Shapo, while Tsit wasn't being talked about much.

Amazing how quickly opinions can change when it comes to young tennis players

McEnroe said Donald Young would win a ton of majors

 

[Legend of Borg]

Tstsipas plays the defensive game necessary to win in the current modern game of tennis. All court attackers like Shapo will always be fan favourites but rarely win. Defense wins championships as they say.

Not to say one player is better than the other, but clearly one style is superior in todays tennis. Sadly its the less entertaining style.

i don't see what part of Tsitsi's game is less entertaining

he's plenty fun to watch and isn't afraid to go for winners and pull the trigger

problem is, all Shapo does is pull the trigger with almost no setup

 

[Sport]

The only two notable next gens with a single handed backhand. (Thiem is not next gen.)

Shapo is generally considered more naturally talented, Fedrs heir apparant. He edges the H2H record and his serve is more dangerous. He's talented enough to hit pretty much any shot.

However his game is lousy on clay and lacks consistency, while Tsitsipas is higher ranked, has more big wins to his name and has competed in multiple ATP finals. Both players have all court games.

Who will have the more successful career?

Wut.

Shapo just lost in the first round of Roland Garros, while Tsitsipas won the first match round with authority in straigth sets. Not to mention Tsitsipas has reached the SF of the AO and has beaten all members of the Big 3.

 

[el sergento]

Always bet on the taller player.

 

[BeatlesFan]

Wut.

Shapo just lost in the first round of Roland Garros, while Tsitsipas won the first match round with authority in straigth sets. Not to mention Tsitsipas has reached the SF of the AO and has beaten all members of the Big 3.

The remark was about talent, not about results. Federer could have lost in his first round match against Sonego and that wouldn't negate the fact he's clearly the most talented player out of the entire field. Shapo and Tsitsipas are both talented and it's clearly way too early to know who will have the finer career. When Roddick and Federer were first starting out, many predicted Andy would have the superior career. We all know how that turned out.

 

[struggle]

Who the hell thinks they are a great judge of talent on this thread??????

Tsitsipas clearly has more game at this point, more poise etc. Not even sure what "talent" means,
but apparently not alot if you think Shap has more of it.