Tsitsipas - where does he go from here?

tex123

Professional
Point construction, particularly on hard courts.
He did well though. At times he looked like Federer taking a forehand to his backhand corner and coming to the net. His backhand and forehand are world class.

But he has gaping holes in slice and volley. Not a drop shotter either.
 

tex123

Professional
So it's supposedly a "serious thread" when you control the narrative? Here's an analogy for you: let me start a thread on Donald Trump and front load it with "No bashing Donald."

Get it now?
You think he's that bad? Come on. I didn't want people to bring up the toilet break controversy. There are threads after threads for that.

People start appreciation threads and no one bats an eyelid? I can't have an improvement thread. I don't get it.
 

tex123

Professional
I will accept the position. But under my tutelage, there will be no more bathroom breaks. I will get him a state of the art diaper if need be.
He did make amends and cut short his toilet break against Alcaraz?

He genuinely forgot to change his racket for the new balls. NYC crowd were so loud. He did not hear the umpire it seems.
 

Indigo

Semi-Pro
In my opinion he needs a good psychologist to work with him. Have you noticed that during points he shakes his hands and body too much? Possibly to much stress and he has a burden of winning. Some issues are inside. He needs to find peace within himself. Also, needs to move away from his dad. Perhaps, Pepe could help?
 

vex

Hall of Fame
Don't agree. His 1hbh is world class.
So was Federer’s. When you’re trying to be world #1 in the Djokovic era, trying to be an ATG, tiny advantages matter. Pretty much every part of his game is fantastic, including as you said his 1HBH. But if he had a 2hbh on that same level he’d be really scary. I still think Zed has the scarier game on the whole, largely because of his 2hbh
 
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flanker2000fr

Hall of Fame
Isn’t his new coach Patrick M. He was sitting by his Dad.
Moratoglu doesn't coach him full time. I'm sure he provides guidance, plus his training facilities and some coaches who work for him, but does not do day to day coaching for Tsitsipas. He just makes sure he gets seen in the player's box from time to time, as it helps him promote his academy.
 
Don't agree. His 1hbh is world class.
A world class one hand backhand should have a low hard slice option like Federer's. That is the one advantage over the two hander.

Watched Federer use the slice to destroy Krygios at the Chicago Laver Cup. Krygios was totally confused on what to do.

Continually hitting topspin to a player like Alcaraz will just put him in a good rhythm to start blasting the ball. Need to change it up and slice it low and hard putting it deep then short like Federer.

Roddick admitted that the Federer low slice was the reason he kept losing.
 
A world class one hand backhand should have a low hard slice option like Federer's. That is the one advantage over the two hander.

Watched Federer use the slice to destroy Krygios at the Chicago Laver Cup. Krygios was totally confused on what to do.

Continually hitting topspin to a player like Alcaraz will just put him in a good rhythm to start blasting the ball. Need to change it up and slice it low and hard putting it deep then short like Federer.

Roddick admitted that the Federer low slice was the reason he kept losing.
But then again, Federer's slice never bothered Nadal...
 

tex123

Professional
A world class one hand backhand should have a low hard slice option like Federer's. That is the one advantage over the two hander.

Watched Federer use the slice to destroy Krygios at the Chicago Laver Cup. Krygios was totally confused on what to do.

Continually hitting topspin to a player like Alcaraz will just put him in a good rhythm to start blasting the ball. Need to change it up and slice it low and hard putting it deep then short like Federer.

Roddick admitted that the Federer low slice was the reason he kept losing.
Exactly.

If he develops a slice (at the moment it is embarrassing) and good net play, he would be nearly unbeatable. He needs a new coach - not his dad. It is strange that Mouratoglou hasn't developed his slice and net play already.

I found this gem. Mouratoglou teaching slice to Tsitsipas.




Mouratoglou explaining Tsitsipas backhand.

 

Devtennis01

G.O.A.T.
I would perhaps have said it differently, but I basically agree with everything you wrote.

I think his Dad has taken him as far as he can (which is not bad at all), but I can't see where the improvement will come if he's not going to mature and be his own man. Which is much more difficult if one's Dad is doing the coaching. Plus his tactics are clearly backfiring, so he needs an actual professional who's been on tour for a long time. I am sure there are a few out there who could help him get tto the next level ans stay there. Here's a provocative thought: whenever Murray retires, he should hire him. He'd learn a thing or two about tactics and mental resilience. And how to properly slice a backhand.
Someone like Johansson would be good. I mean he won a slam. I don't think it would work with Murray, though I do think Murray would be a good choice. I think Tsitsipas needs to go more low key though. He doesn't want to be answering questions about working with Muzza all the time. I mean real real low key. Leave the PM stable. Live out somewhere random with Johansson in the off season. No press. No social media. Shave his head. Get in optimal shape. Get the sessions on the therapists couch going. Come back and slay.
 

NedStark

Semi-Pro
1. Have a FH swing mechanic change similar to Thiem - that would have made his FH flatter, and far more deadly.

2. Start learning to use slice BH, as well as slice and block returns.
 
Tsitsipas will be going to Boston to join his mates Kyrgios, Medvedev, and Zverev at the Laver Cup.

It is a really tough ask to progress a long way through any Major Tournament, let alone the US Open, if you barely hang on to win your 1st Round match in 5 Sets over 5 hours.

Tsitsi was unlikely to get to the second week after that match against Murray.

Going forward, he needs to shorten the points and do everything to get through the early rounds of Tournaments as quickly as possible. He is not going to win too many matches grinding out long games with his SHBH, especially at tournies like Wimbledon and the US Open.
 

Krish0608

Legend
Tsitsipas will be going to Boston to join his mates Kyrgios, Medvedev, and Zverev at the Laver Cup.

It is a really tough ask to progress a long way through any Major Tournament, let alone the US Open, if you barely hang on to win your 1st Round match in 5 Sets over 5 hours.

Tsitsi was unlikely to get to the second week after that match against Murray.

Going forward, he needs to shorten the points and do everything to get through the early rounds of Tournaments as quickly as possible. He is not going to win too many matches grinding out long games with his SHBH, especially at tournies like Wimbledon and the US Open.
Needs to be more clutch on the serve. Cannot repeatedly lose from double break up. That’s unacceptable. I think his returning has improved quite a lot though. Needs to develop a competent slice. Yesterday he played intro Alcaraz’s hand by bashing from the baseline. Won’t work all the time. Needs to add more variety.
 

Aabye5

Hall of Fame
In my opinion he needs a good psychologist to work with him. Have you noticed that during points he shakes his hands and body too much? Possibly to much stress and he has a burden of winning. Some issues are inside. He needs to find peace within himself. Also, needs to move away from his dad. Perhaps, Pepe could help?
What did Pepe help with exactly?
 
Needs to be more clutch on the serve. Cannot repeatedly lose from double break up. That’s unacceptable. I think his returning has improved quite a lot though. Needs to develop a competent slice. Yesterday he played intro Alcaraz’s hand by bashing from the baseline. Won’t work all the time. Needs to add more variety.
For sure he has to develop a much more consistent 2nd serve. I think it is probably too late for him to develop a competent slice. That time would probably be better spend working on his FH. He could certainly develop an alternative flatter FH and turn that into a weapon.

Imo, he requires strokes that will allow his to finish points more quickly. No point wacking four, five, six or more topspin SHBHs in a row. He needs to get onto the FH asap, and drive it flat for more winners earlier in the point.
 

TennisDawg

Hall of Fame
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Mouratoglou reminds me of retired actor George Hamilton --- nobody seems to know exactly what he does but he seems to show up wherever there's a camera looking perfectly tanned and self-important.
He’s been Serena’s coach since 2012 and the tan comes from teaching in the sunshine. He is also one of the best at giving quick online instruction. I love his YouTube videos. He knows tennis is not rocket science and doesn’t bore his audience with long winded videos but gets to the point in 30 to 90 seconds. I follow him with on facebook. He knows tennis.
 
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tex123

Professional
In a way, it is good he lost to Alcaraz. He can't outhit players like Alcaraz. It will help him realise that he needs to develop other areas of his game - slice and net play.
 

Poisoned Slice

Bionic Poster
I will accept the position. But under my tutelage, there will be no more bathroom breaks. I will get him a state of the art diaper if need be.
Tired of needing to go during every rally? Worry no more because we here at Luthorcorp have you covered with our brand-new alien toilet technology. This was not made in some outhouse by high school dropouts. No, this was invented by some of the greatest minds in the world.
 
In a way, it is good he lost to Alcaraz. He can't outhit players like Alcaraz. It will help him realise that he needs to develop other areas of his game - slice and net play.
Imho, that won't make any difference against players like Alcaraz. To consistently beat players like Alcaraz and Sinner, he is going to have to shorten the rallies. His playing style is not suited to longer rallies, especially on slower surfaces. He will never outgrind those guys.

Control what you can control. Keep working on the first serve and the Serve+1 rally shot. Try and keep point rallies to less than 5 shots. Win most of them using the flat FH and avoiding the SHBH as much as possible except for hitting winnners. (Also try and develop a decent kicker 2nd serve.). With the time that is left (!), hone the drop shot.

He needs to enhance weapons that will shorten points. That will also make the mental game easier because less time to go off the boil and having to start fighting himself and his father when he is on court.
 

tex123

Professional
Imho, that won't make any difference against players like Alcaraz. To consistently beat players like Alcaraz and Sinner, he is going to have to shorten the rallies. His playing style is not suited to longer rallies, especially on slower surfaces. He will never outgrind those guys.

Control what you can control. Keep working on the first serve and the Serve+1 rally shot. Try and keep point rallies to less than 5 shots. Win most of them using the flat FH and avoiding the SHBH as much as possible except for hitting winnners. (Also try and develop a decent kicker 2nd serve.). With the time that is left (!), hone the drop shot.

He needs to enhance weapons that will shorten points. That will also make the mental game easier because less time to go off the boil and having to start fighting himself and his father when he is on court.
To be fair and to his credit he did try. He came to the net off a good forehand into the corners many times after the toilet break reset. What let him down was lack of practice - it's not natural for him to do that i.e slice, net play etc. He missed many easy volleys. Let's hope he develops that area as he has wonderful potential.
 

muadibgv

New User
Tsitsipas is the living proof that the one-hander is dead! Great forehand, great serve, better at net than most players, as fit as anyone, and yet players pound his backhand until the greek run out of gas and start giving up free points on his left.
Needs a better slice in order to keep opposition honest.
 

tex123

Professional
Tsitsipas is the living proof that the one-hander is dead! Great forehand, great serve, better at net than most players, as fit as anyone, and yet players pound his backhand until the greek run out of gas and start giving up free points on his left.
Needs a better slice in order to keep opposition honest.
How is one handed backhand dead?

Sampras - 14 slams
Federer - 20 slams
Wawrinka - 3 slams
Thiem - 1 slam

The newer generation of Tsitsipas and Shapovalov are taking over, no?
I agree with your point about slice but his backhand is top class. He needs a bit of variety in his game. I think 2022. Or hope.
 

muadibgv

New User
Federer is a genious, Wawrinka has the best one-hander ever...
On the other hand, I see Tsitsipas repeteadly being punished by lesser players on the left wing!
And I agree, the greek´s topspin backhand is great! Which adds to my argument.
 

T007

Professional
Serious thread. No bashing Tsitsipas.

He played a cracking match against Alcaraz. He's good for tennis with a beautiful style of play. On paper, he should be winning Slams. He seems to have trouble closing out matches.

Where does he go from here? He took a lot of bashing and he's a shy introspective character - opposite of Kyrgios. He must feel quite down at the moment.

Slice is one area of improvement. What does he need to do to win slams?
The problem is that he has too many cracks in his game..which a top 30 player can easily expose on his day. He needs to improve his defensive slice and return on 2nd serves.

Specially stop long toilet breaks to avoid bad karma.
 
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