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The battle of ultimate big time players at their very best of forms..
Who wins? And how?
Who wins? And how?
Tsonga 2008 AO vs Wawrinka 2013/14 AO :- Who wins?
The Big Foe fan
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Horribly wrong.
BauerAlmeida
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Wawrinka won against a better Djokovic than the one Tsonga lost to. Maybe Tsonga played better vs Nadal than Wawrinka did in any of his matches though.
Tsonga SF level wins in 4. Genuinely the highest level I have seen this century from a non-Big 3 player, tied with ‘05 Safin maybe.
Final is going to be a bit different and I trust Wawrinka a bit more mentally. The thing is that chipping returns back against THAT Tsonga is going to result in a Pete-esque beatdown session of volleying masterclass.
I would look at their RG matches in 2015 and 2012, Wawrinka does not have an easy time with big hitters especially ones with the volleys Tsonga has. I think it’s a toss up in the final.
Final is going to be a bit different and I trust Wawrinka a bit more mentally. The thing is that chipping returns back against THAT Tsonga is going to result in a Pete-esque beatdown session of volleying masterclass.
I would look at their RG matches in 2015 and 2012, Wawrinka does not have an easy time with big hitters especially ones with the volleys Tsonga has. I think it’s a toss up in the final.
The Big Foe fan
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This ain't about nadal, this is about matchup.
FedrMatt
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Bubcay
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It was insane how he destroyed Nadal in straight sets. It was an amazing performance by Tsonga... He steamrolled everyone until he met Djokovic in the final. I would give the match to Tsonga over Wawrinka in the OP's scenario...... Just....
The Blond Blur
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Well 08 Tsonga was the only player to take a set from the 2nd most dominant Joker at the AO. He’d also be a bad matchup for Stan since Stan chips back most returns. With his skills at the net he’d put most of those passive returns away. 08 Tsonga’s all court brilliance would be what tips the scales.
abmk
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11 RG - stan won 5 sets
12 RG - tsonga won in 4 sets
15 RG - stan won in 4 tight sets
17 AO - stan won in straights
when both played atleast good, their matches have been close.
MichaelNadal
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Wawrinka.
King No1e
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Tsonga has always troubled Federer, so if he gets on a roll it could actually be a tough one.
RS
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No more threads from me for a while.
The Big Foe fan
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Absolutely superbIt’s a joke lol
I did the satire too well
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mike danny
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Not always. Most of their matches occurred after 2010.
Mivic
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So defensive lol
The Big Foe fan
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Also because fed was a fkn stupid choker in some of their matches
Let me limber up my mental gymnastics here..
‘08 Tsonga pre-final would not have been an easy opponent for Fed though, that I can guarantee.
ForehandRF
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It's not as easy as it seems because the matchup with Djokovic comes into discussion, so it's hard to judge the pure level.Maybe Tsonga 2008 reached a higher level, but Stan enjoys a favorable matchup with Djokovic in BO5, at least to a certain extent, so that might have made him look better than he actually was, even though he played some very good tennis anyway
Poisoned Slice
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Tsonga was 5-2 against Novak before 2011It's not as easy as it seems because the matchup with Djokovic comes into discussion, so it's hard to judge the pure level.Maybe Tsonga 2008 reached a higher level, but Stan enjoys a favorable matchup with Djokovic in BO5, at least to a certain extent, so that might have made him look better than he actually was, even though he played some very good tennis anyway
The Big Foe fan
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I have been reading Madame Bovary.You seem at peace.
The Big Foe fan
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RIPYou seem at peace.
mike danny
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Only two.
The Big Foe fan
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Only??
Its quite funny how we need to put "only" in front of number of matches he's choked against a specific opponent.
Against Djokovic, that number rises to 8 and against nadal, 5.
metsman
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Would have been fairly routine assuming it's a QF/SF with Fed taking it seriously, maybe a TB steal for Tsonga.
Final, while Tsonga overall played pretty well and made it a match, also made it pretty clear that due to BH/movement, Tsonga couldn't really hang from the ground against a really high level baseline opponent who wasn't throwing him BP like Nadal was. 2005 Federer combines that level of groundgame, except he takes time away even more, and has a more clinical serve game that Tsonga can do very little to blunt due to his BH. Safin blew both of those factors up spectacularly, so really 08 Tsonga isn't even in the same tier.
Like I said in a previous thread, I highly doubt Tsonga does as well as Fiasco against 09 Nadal, granted, the same might be true of peak Stan as well (and ditto vs peak Fed), but of the big 3, we know for a fact that Stan matches up better with peak Djokovic at least.
People don't take 07 Gonzalez seriously against peak level opponents because of his BH, but in reality, Tsonga's BH is almost as big a liability against a elite level ground attack, he's more inconsistent (compared to 07 AO Gonzo, not general Gonzo of course), and he's a a bit slower laterally. Both guys had their flaws on full display in the F (similar to Soderling in his two finals vs the performances before), and scorelines would have been similar if 07 Fed was a bit more giving ala 08 Djokovic (understandable due to his youth, etc. overall still a great level just not as surgical and efficient as 07 Fed obviously). The two are in the same tier, a half tier to tier down from 09 Fiasco/peak Stan, with Safin in the tier above that (which is the highest tier).
It's a similar dynamic for say 09 Delpo vs 09/10 Soderling on clay, while Soderling produced the more impressive performances in a vacuum, against tier A+ type opponents Delpo is going to still bring it whereas Soderling's movement (and return) will just fall short simply because he needs more time. Against opponents with more chinks in the argument, yeah Soderling may look like even more of a world beater, but surely 2009 Delpo could have won those matches as well (2010 Fed at least, he certainly would win). But honestly, while 09 Ned and 10 Fed were perfectly decent opponents, even in both SFs Soderling kind of got into a dogfight simply because he was up against some bigger hitters who didn't give him the same time with better serving. The serving gap between 09 Fed and 10 Fed in those matches and ditto for 09 Ned and 10 Ned was immense and that made a difference in allowing Soderling to tee off as well.
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mike danny
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Not easy, but definitely not Safin level. 4 difficult sets tops.
NAS
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I know you don't like my view about AO 05 and AO 09
But four set victory should have been for AO 05 and 09 or even 17 or Wimbledon 19
Edit Add us open 09 also lol, how can I forget this
Please, the guy who got bageled by fetus Murray in the first round is supposed to trouble the peakest of peak Feds? ROFL
NAS
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He was unseeded and defeated top ten in first round, you can say same about Safin loosing set to unseeded players and having tight third round and fourth round matches.
When people talk about Safin AO 05 form they talk about AO semi.
So fair comparison should be AO semi Safin vs AO semi Tsonga
BauerAlmeida
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See my answer was in reply to other poster about dropping set.
Same way Tsonga was great in qf.
Loosing a set to Murray in first round when you are unseeded is not some bad thing.
