Tsonga has a higher peak than Federer at the Australian open

As well as Federer did when he beat Delpo 6-3 6-0 6-0 or Roddick 6-4 6-0 6-2, but you chose Tsonga's example simply because he beat Nadal, a player Rodja has been struggling against during his entire career, so it could fit your theory of a peak level.
The problem is you used a record/performance against a single player (and not the whole field) which is insufficient to draw any relevant conclusion.
Difference between destroying a mediocre player like Roddick and a great one like Nadal

Federer also destroyed Hewitt in USO 2004 but needed 5 sets to beat grandpa Agassi that same tournament lol
 

Night Slasher

Semi-Pro
Difference between destroying a mediocre player like Roddick and a great one like Nadal

Federer also destroyed Hewitt in USO 2004 but needed 5 sets to beat grandpa Agassi that same tournament lol
Nadal is as great in Australia as Hewitt is at the USO. You're either trolling or competing for the most ridiculous thread by the greatest buffoon in the northern hemisphere. If it's the later, I'll give you 10 stars.
 
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Deleted member 757377

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2000s peak ELO ratings:

1) Djokovic
2) Nadal
3) Federer
4) Murray
5) Ferrer
6) Del Potro
7) Hewitt
8) Nishikori
9) Wawrinka
10) Davydenko

hardcourt:

1) Djokovic
2) Federer
3) Nadal
4) Murray
5) Hewitt
6) Del Potro
7) Wawrinka
8) Ferrer
9) Roddick
10) Nishikori

clay:

1) Nadal
2) Djokovic
3) Federer
4) Murray
5) Ferrer
6) Ferrero
7) Thiem
8) Coria
9) Wawrinka
10) Zverev

grass:

1) Federer
2) Djokovic
3) Murray
4) Nadal
5) Roddick
6) Hewitt
7) Cilic
8) Ivanisevic
9) Rafter
10) Raonic

Soderling and Tsonga are nowhere to be seen.
 
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sredna42

Hall of Fame

Federer can only dream of playing like this, especially against somebody like Nadal

Since a match or two is good enough to define peak, which is why Soderling has a higher clay peak than Murray.

Logically the same applies here
Tsonga has a higher peak than Federer at the AO
If anybody disagrees please explain why
LOL I had the link to this vid in my sig up until yesterday. The ultimate godmode. Caning the ball and attacking the net like a beast.
 

Xavier G

Professional
Too funny this forum, man. :D

Federer has 6 Australian Open titles, has a 3-0 h2h lead vs Tsonga at the AO and played two classic AO finals with Nadal!

Shame about Tsonga though not making a winning breakthrough at GS level. He was a very good player for a while and really did play well against Nadal in the AO '08 semi final.

Seriously, we need more than that for trolling purposes, mind you...
 

Jonas78

Legend
2009 was a bit weird though.

FO Sodering blows Nadal off court.
USO Delpo blows Fed off court.

Maybe its part of the reason 2009 is my favourite year.

All four slam finals had exquisite drama and tennis.
Definetly weird! And a great year! Actually one of the weaker years on HC for Roger, both result wise and statistically. But at the same time winning channel slam! Delpo was tough that USO, blew pretty much everyone off court. At least Roger took him to five:)
 
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Most wins over 2003-18 Federer, 2005-18 Nadal or 2007-18 Djokovic in Grand Slams:

Murray 5
Wawrinka 5
Berdych 4
Del Potro 4
Tsonga 4
Cilic 2
Ferrer 2
Nalbandian 2
Safin 2
Soderling 2
 
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Deleted member 742196

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Hey @Lew what are some of your thoughts on 2012?

I believe it was the only year where each member of the Big 4 nabbed a slam.

What were ELO ratings in 2012 and what if any conclusions might be inferred within that season?
 
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Hey @Lew what are some of your thoughts on 2012?

I believe it was the only year where each member of the Big 4 nabbed a slam.

What were ELO ratings in 2012 and what if any conclusions might be inferred within that season?
As you can see here

https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/most-gs-wins-by-year-top10.629649/

among the 2000s, 2012 is the year the best 10 players won most GS matches (161). Here are all the records:

top-2 : 2011 (49 wins)
top-3 : 2011 (70)
top-4 : 2011 (90)
top-5 : 2011 (104)
top-6 : 2011 (117)
top-7 : 2011 (127)
top-8 : 2012/2015 (137)
top-9 : 2012 (149)
top-10 : 2012 (161)
 

Sport

Legend
2000s peak ELO ratings:

1) Djokovic
2) Nadal
3) Federer
4) Murray
5) Ferrer
6) Del Potro
7) Hewitt
8) Nishikori
9) Wawrinka
10) Davydenko

hardcourt:

1) Djokovic
2) Federer
3) Nadal
4) Murray
5) Hewitt
6) Del Potro
7) Wawrinka
8) Ferrer
9) Roddick
10) Nishikori

clay:

1) Nadal
2) Djokovic
3) Federer
4) Murray
5) Ferrer
6) Ferrero
7) Thiem
8) Coria
9) Wawrinka
10) Zverev

grass:

1) Federer
2) Djokovic
3) Murray
4) Nadal
5) Roddick
6) Hewitt
7) Cilic
8) Ivanisevic
9) Rafter
10) Raonic

Soderling and Tsonga are nowhere to be seen.
Peak ELO is not an indicative of peak level of play. ELO is calculated considering not only Grand Slams, but also Masters 1000 and Masters 500. So a player who only wins 1 GS on HC in a natural year could have a higher peak ELO than a player who actually has won the 2 GS on HC.

Just look at how they list Murray with a higher peak ELO than Nadal on grass.That is because Murray won a lot of Queens (Masters 500) without facing Federer, Nadal or Djokovic. But everybody knows Nadal has a higher peak level of play on grass than Murray. Nadal leads Murray 3-0 at Wimbledon and has reached 5 Wbledon finals, not only 3 like Murray.
 
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As you can see here

https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/most-gs-wins-by-year-top10.629649/

among the 2000s, 2012 is the year the best 10 players won most GS matches (161). Here are all the records:

top-2 : 2011 (49 wins)
top-3 : 2011 (70)
top-4 : 2011 (90)
top-5 : 2011 (104)
top-6 : 2011 (117)
top-7 : 2011 (127)
top-8 : 2012/2015 (137)
top-9 : 2012 (149)
top-10 : 2012 (161)
Might it follow that if we are to infer data about players and patterns and matchups that 2012 can be said to be when all members of the Big 4 were closest within each other to their peaks?

Ergo, 2012 is the year to look for detailed analysis within the rivalries?
 
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Might it follow that if we are to infer data about players and patterns and matchups that 2012 can be said to be when all members of the Big 4 were closest within each other to their peaks?

Ergo, 2012 is the year to look for detailed analysis within the rivalries?
2011 and 2012.
 

chut

Semi-Pro
That attempted jump smash by Nadal at 2:05... When you try to play like Sampras but actually can't! Since then, he's been much more conservative on this kind of play, letting the ball bounce most of the time and he has been much more successful.

By the way, bad troll, but always nice to see this video !
 

KINGROGER

G.O.A.T.
They did meet Dubai 2006 and Nadal won
So? Their only big fast court matches Fed destroyed Nadal in 06-07 YEC. Same result at Cincy, USO, Madrid Indoors.
What winners retrieved Verdasco hit 95 lol

How many winners should be there lol
Just go watch the match again lol... 2 insane retrievals in set one with Fed serving at 40-15 a break up which wouldn't be possible on a normal speed HC.
 
So? Their only big fast court matches Fed destroyed Nadal in 06-07 YEC. Same result at Cincy, USO, Madrid Indoors.


Just go watch the match again lol... 2 insane retrievals in set one with Fed serving at 40-15 a break up which wouldn't be possible on a normal speed HC.
It's a pretty average speed HC
It was slower in 2012
Plus Nadal is super fast
 

PimpMyGame

Hall of Fame
Couldn't agree more with the OP. Sadly Tsonga's future opportunities for greatness were scuppered by the dark forces of the game, otherwise what a different world we'd be living in.

When Fed realised the threat he had Wilson change all of Tsongas rackets by adding 25g of lead at 12 o'clock. By the time Tsonga smelt a rat, everyone was way ahead in terms of quality and achievements. He approached Head for a deal but that was blocked by Djok and Murray. Technifibre never responded to Tsonga's emails and Yonex thought it was a wind up. Babolat gave him a deal but Nadal has been controlling Tsonga's static weight, swing weight, string gauge and tension from afar. The guy never stood a chance.
 
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